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Why are VL still allowed in Multiplayer games ?

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Why are VL still allowed in Multiplayer games ?

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This is not a balance discussion, everyone worth a damn playing know the vl titan is grossly overpowered.

 

So my question is why are we still allowing them in multiplayer games ?

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Reply #76 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Turchany, reply 65

Quoting Nightraid3r, reply 64

Thanks, I was waiting to see how long it would take for somebody to say this, but it seems the community now adays would rather just prevent people from using game content instead of microing, because seriously, who micros in an RTS, amirite?

 

One problem almost solved, but the Vasari player is still likely to have a strong supporting fleet around the Vorastra, so even if he has to retreat the Titan can use his fleet, and the opponent cannot have weaker ships than heavy cruisers as those are likely to be devastated by the desperation area attack (even heavy cruisers will be). And Vasari fighters are very good at taking out bombers. The Vorastra is another extremely powerful addition to a way too powerful race even without it, and this is the problem I think. If the Vorastra was in place of AL titan I think noone would complain as Advent Loyalist doesn't have that many great toys besides the current Coronata Titan, but this is not true for Vasari Loyalist and for the Vasari race itself as it is the strongest race in this game and in many aspects clearly unbalanced. Vorastra is just making this situation worse.

 

QFT

 

 

And ignore those Vasari whores on the forums... those cannot stand anything touching their OP toys.

Reply #77 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting ARESIV, reply 76

And ignore those Vasari whores on the forums... those cannot stand anything touching their OP toys.

 

Yes, I'm starting to realise :D

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Reply #78 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Nightraid3r, reply 64



Quoting Cykur,
reply 63
The Vorastra Maw ability can be largely countered by just splitting your carriers up into a bunch of little groups.  Yeah, it is a pain in the butt, but the Vorastra has no way to counter carriers all over the place..before long it will have to flee or die since it can't outrun bomber spam.   Also, the Vorastra is slow to turn and aim...even when I have jumped it right into perfect position to get some carriers, often it will refuse to lock on in time before they can move out of range.  Keep the carriers moving and away from the front of the ship!

 

Recap:

-  Your entire fleet of carriers sitting in one spot.  nom nom nom  --- screwed

-  Your entire fleet of carriers moving around the gravwell --- maybe you are screwed...maybe not.

-  Your carriers all over the gravwell and moving.  Lose some carriers, but Vorastra will flee or die.


 

Thanks, I was waiting to see how long it would take for somebody to say this, but it seems the community now adays would rather just prevent people from using game content instead of microing, because seriously, who micros in an RTS, amirite?

This is the different between a pro RTS player and an average RTS player. However micro in sins do not matter as much as games like starcraft 2 or warcraft 3. Its one reason why pros in starcraft 2 or warcraft 3 will easily pick up games like Sins and do decently well in a short time. But vice versa may not be true.

Reply #79 from Sins Forums Top

I like sins because it tones down star-craft significantly so Sins is all about macro and the micro part is a alt click away.

I think the Vasari loyalist or rebels are balanced in 1on1 or 2v2 games. Three is a crowd and 5v5 just gives them room to employ too much tech and eco to booster there already superior phase missile fire power. There the most vulnerable to tier 0 spam but there difficult once they survive it and become efficient in their eco. At this stage you can't beat them with conventional means but sins has done well to provide those other means-- (wail, jumping orkies and red button not included). Sins is just a fun game if you understand that even the loosing side can turn the tide of war.  

You just have to understand your way around it and win even when facing level 1 titans.

 

There's no doubt that some balancing issues still exist.. e.g if they make disruption matrix too strong then the TL titan no longer becomes a defensive titan-but assaults. This with the loyalist eco and tech tools will unbalance some battles significantly (if you understand them).

Reply #80 from Sins Forums Top

It takes too long for players to "understand" their way to victory. By then, the titan will be level 4 at least, and will be unstoppable.

Reply #81 from Sins Forums Top

No one mentioned the disruptive nanites.  Cheapest gamechanger in the game.  You only need one turret to shoot one shot at a capitol ship/titan to disable its passive regeneration for 5 minutes.

Suffice to say, Rebellion added a ton of incredibly powerful abilities, especially AoE.  The Kostura in stock sins destroyed fleets, and the first time I saw a hostile starbase was a sad day.  It also startled me when I first got a supply pact and got an extra thousand fleet supply.  However, I still feel that the titan and the corvette are the most overpowering changes to the game; second online match I couldn't manage to defeat a constant swarm of Vasari corvettes, which constantly fled pursuing ships and raided random systems, were easily replaced, and could overwhelm a damaged capitol ship or titan.  And titans are essential in Sins; winning without one requires more resources or just more skill than your opponent; otherwise you are seriously outmatched.

I'd be content if corvettes, disruptive nanites, and pirates were nerfed.  Even if you beat late game pirate fleets, the opponent can win by crashing your fps with multiple fleets containing hundreds of pirate ships (and the worst abusers?  BOTS).  I can't play with active pirates anymore without seriously planning against them, disruptive nanites are just insane for level 2, and corvettes are too universally useful.  Otherwise, the overpowering abilities each faction has at least make the game interesting.

Reply #82 from Sins Forums Top

Has anyone mentioned that Satan's glory hoard increases every time someone plays as Vasari?