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Your thoughts on Marijuana

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Hey,

I have tried having this conversion on other forums but it always gets out of hand with people flaming eachother. I just want to have a conversation about the subject and hear peoples thoughts on it and maybe clear some rumors about it up. There are many people who think it's bad and that it's very bad for your lungs. Me being from Canada I smoke it regularly so I don't have a problem with it. The only factor I can see is that it is bad for the lungs as is any smoke to inhale. I was thinking for medical reasons, if they extracted the THC from inside the plant and simply put it in canisters and distrubute it to patients much like anesthesia. That way there is no lung damage from inhaling the smoke and the patients can be given certian dosages to scale rather than having to smoke up.

Say what you have to say. All opinions welcome.
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Reply #77 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Marijuana has an adictive ingredient in it. It's false to say that it's not adictive. It contains 10 times the amount of nicotine than a cigarette. I started smoking pot, then went on smoking cigarettes. A lot of people do the same. There are very few occasional pot smokers who don't get hooked on the nicotine. Either they end up smoking pot regularely, or they pick up smoking cigs.
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Reply #78 from WinCustomize Forums Top
The correct penalty in Victoria is 3 demerit points and a fine of around $300. That is less than drink driving. I'm a Victorian, i enjoy recreational drugs, (not all Victorians do) my designated driver doesn't. True, there are stupid people out there, and they all seem to have extraordinarily loud opinions on the way that people should live their lives. Take for example religious zealots and conservative types. They seem to have the loudest voices and the narrowest opinions. The only guy that was actually a positive test hadn't smoked in a month. All the other people who tested positive on the first test passed the second test. Truly the media tells you what it wants you to hear.

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Reply #79 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Citizen Tombiepoo , you are an idiot, that was the most ridiculous comment i have ever read anywhere.
Reply #80 from WinCustomize Forums Top
to say that "tokeing up is safe while/before driving" shows your immaturity. as a former "smoker" i will disagree with your BS about it. your young and think your "invincible".. you will soon learn "that" isnt the case. i too was once young and arrogant but luckily i grew out of it before i harmed me or anybody else (i never drove while on it).. from your responces i doubt any body here will sway your "im superman" superiority complex... but i will say that weed is a depressant, not a stimulant( just like alcohol)..that is a FACT... do the research.. a few hundred thousand Doctors cant be wrong...the centralized feeling you get when high is not from being more "alert" to driving... it's actually kind of like having tunnel vision. it's easyer to focus when theres fewer things to focus on...essentially your periferal senses are the first dulled. those senses are what can make the differance between seeing and not seeing a tyke running out in to the street chaseing a ball.... my cousin/best friend was killed by a drunk when she was 4 i was 3... i still remember the car hopping the curb and whooshing by me on the sidewalk... the ambulances screaming up..il never for get it...its something you take with you to the grave. imagine how the guy who killed her must feel???... yeh he too thought he was invincible ..he too had the "it dont effect me" attitude...any body who believes that they can drive "impared in any context". needs to have their driving priveleges revoked forever..if your that arrogant or stupid .. you dont need to be behind the wheel.....
Reply #81 from WinCustomize Forums Top

alfiejs ...to be fair...we only have his word that he hasn't smoked for a month.

....and as you may know. Port Phillip Prison is full to the brim with innocent people.....

They will tell you that....

Reply #83 from WinCustomize Forums Top
According to my president, any illegal drug whether purchased, sold, consumed, etc., contributes to terrorism and I happen to agree. Marijuana will leave you sitting on a park bench while you contemplate stealing from the pigeons. I've seen the negative social impact it has on peoples lives, even people that do not consume it. I have found that chronic users are very unreliable usually reckless by nature, and cause a social/economic burden to modernized industrial societies.


No offense...But that is just a complete load of rubbish and typical of people that can't think for themselves. If you choose that sort of thinking...simply paying your taxes contributes to terrorism since that money is used to produce WMD's "for this country" which has in turn have been provided to the very terrorist we are fighting...and they were given to them by your presidents who also trained those terrorists. This country is the largest provider or WMD's to terrorist through your tax dollars. So stop paying taxes.

As I said in my previous post...I have a friend who to this day continues to smoke pot...And not only does he build and fly airplanes...he is very meticulous in the process of building them. He also has one hanging in the Smithsonian Institute for breaking 3 world records...and I would have no trouble getting in any plane he has built and fly with him and feel completely safe. Pretty ambitious for a pot smoker I'd say...and he did without stealing from pigeons.

Opressing someone from finding some temporary escape from the every day stress of life...be it through alcohol...marijuana...tobacco...coffee...or a host of other vices we all choose in some form or another can also lead to terrorism. When you continue to deny someone something they can responsibly use and back them up against a wall simply because "you" can't deal with it or you choose to jump on the "scare tactics" bandwagon...the only recourse you leave them is to lash out...then you label them a terrorist.

It boils down to personal responsibility...and thats the problem in this country anymore...no one wants to takes responsibility for their own actions anymore...it's alway some inanimate object thats to blame.

You know....it would be great if people were as compassionate about the air and water we are destroying on this planet as they are about a plant. Or how about feeding the starving people in the world...I think your energies would be better used.

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Reply #84 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I personally would prefer to stay away from any addictive substances that make me lose full concious controll over my brain/actions. Especially alchahol, as I have a predisposition to becoming an alcaholic, but that's a different story...

I also think that even though we should have the right to do whatever the hell we want in the privacy of our own homes, our employers ALSO have the right to drug test if they should choose to do so. If you don't like your employers policies, work elsewhere.


I wholeheartedly disagree. In theory that's all fine and nice, but this isn't the town of perfection. Humanity has shown time after time that as a whole, we can't handle ourselves.
Reply #85 from WinCustomize Forums Top
i personally have no problem with a person having some escape. he can smoke up all he wants for all i care ... ... but he admits to driveing after lighting up...now he may feel that its a risk worth takeing.. but is it?.... by driving under the influence he is not only putting his life in jeopardy .. but the lives of those around him..
Reply #86 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I understand some of you have had some problems with my posts leading to flaming. It wasn't my intention. I was trying to keep the thread on topic and stop people from making personal attacks against me or anyone else who has posted. It's nothing personal, so if you have taken offense, sorry.

You can write that I'm young and think I'm invincible but that isn't the case at all. I have many faults and I am aware. I never said driving while high or drunk is good. It's better to drive sober than under any influence. I'm sorry about that drunk driver but there is a difference between the effects of marijuana and alcohol when driving. Alcohol makes it much harder than marijuana ever could.

webgizmos great post man. I agree with you on everything you had said. There are a lot bigger problems in the world than this plant. But people only care about problems that affect them right now, instead of the long term affects.

Now I did admit to driving while high. I never said I go out blaze and jump behind the wheel, thats not how I get down. That's dumb and I'm not that dumb. All I meant when I said that before was that it is better than driving drunk, neither are good, but driving drunk is much worse.
Reply #87 from WinCustomize Forums Top
In for a penny - Webgizmo's logic as it was presented was fatally flawed.

The I know a man argument...... - well in the UK today a woman was in the paper who died aged 105 after a lifetime smoking without ill effect. By his logic we could all go out and smoke without worrying.

We are told how great his friend does with drugs - of course we will never know how much more he may have done without them.

To argue that poor Government choices on the international stage justifies an individuals right to choose which laws he will and will not obey is a tad spurious also.

In order for drugs to be compared with alcohol they must at least be of a consistent and predictable/measurable strength and quality. As yet (classic descriptions apart) there is no such standard that I'm aware of.



(Sorry Webgizmo, nothing personal - that darn frog of yours made a couple of leaps too many )
Reply #88 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I have smoked pot for 30 some years. It makes me mad people putting pot down, but drinking is fine. I can smoke an ounce of pot, drive go to the mall anything. 1 six pack and a car = dead people. I think they should leagalize pot, and make drinking against the law. Everyone that says pot should be illeagal, drinks. Now from years ago, I heard they couldn't extract THC. I have been around drugs most of my life, I'm a musician. The absolute worse drug I have ever seen, and I'm talking everything from Heroin to pot, is crack, rock, whatever you want to call it. I have never seen anything like that in my life. I think they should legealize all drugs. The idiots would OD, the drunk would run over each other, and the intelligent people lleft could enjoy there smoke without the bull. A friend of mine, years ago, said pot was for intelligent people who wanted to get stupid. He had an IQ of 180. I have an IQ of 150. So he must be right. By the way, I have stopped smoking pot, cigeretts, and drinking, and I didn't have to go to some stupid ass rehab center to do it. I just got tired of it. Peace. Hippie Age 53
Reply #89 from WinCustomize Forums Top
^^Gabriel: Unfortunately, maturity does not always come with age. Unfortunately, it seldomly arrives to most people. I dismiss that suggestion.

As I said before, I don't mind legal drugs. But then when you are addicted and you have fuked up your life, don't you start dipping in to my tax dollars for help. Or when you get cancer and need therapy, be ready to pay it out of pocket. I say the same should be true for alcohol and cigarettes. If you are smoking or drinking, you shouldn't be able to get insurance.

I think I'll do the same thing as Sleeping Dragon is doing and ignore this thread from now on. It is hard to do but I shall try to resist the temptation and maybe, hopefully, set an example for others.

And remember: Self-control is the ultimate form of maturity.
Reply #90 from WinCustomize Forums Top
One thing I forgot to mention, you know how pot affects you're memory. NO ONE HAS EVER DIED SMOKING POT. The one's they say did were also drunk, or doing some other drug, probably crack. As a matter of fact, there is usually some other substance that causes a person to do something stupid. Richard Pryor told a joke years ago. "You walk in an apartment building and listen at the door,and you can tell whose smoking pot, and whose drinking. The potheads say"Oh it's cool man, get the last hit". The drunks say " Man you drank the last bit we had" I was married to an alcoholic for 15 years. I HATE DRUNKS.
Reply #91 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Maybe they will realize it one day Hippie. Until then I guess we will have to live with them. They like pulling facts and research studies information when in fact the drug is actually much different and they will find that out in the next 10-20 years when they see the long term effects.

Just look at the 70's and 80's they said marijuana caused murder and made people crazy and go on killing rampages. And people believed that was the truth. Also if this is the end or ending of this thread I want to thank everyone who posted and shared their opinions even if they were attacking certain people.
Reply #92 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I have some red-hair stuff that smells like a skunk! No Thoughts, Just don`t see anything wrong with it myself. And its Good For You!
Reply #93 from JoeUser Forums Top

I, personally, don't know why we need to have any recreational drugs.

If people spent time fixing their problems instead of escaping them, then they wouldn't "need" drugs.

I have an Aunt who is in her 40's and smokes pot.  She seems normal.  However, she always questions how I get so many things done in my life while she has remained the same for the past 10+ years.  It's simple- I function on a clear mind.  My relaxation includes a cup of hot chocolate and a cuddle on the couch with my family.  I don't need drugs to escape anything.  My "high" comes from life and what I can accomplish in it.

I don't think it needs to be legal.  Yes, alcohol is legal, but driving while intoxicated is not.  Saying "well, if it's legal, than this should be" is just adding to an underlying problem.  I don't think that it even needs to be legal for medical use.  There are a lot more medications out there that do not have the health effects of pot smoking that are already used.  A lot of "pain management" comes from a mental state- smoking pot is not going to help that. (And, that is a view point coming from somebody who deals with daily chronic pain since the age of 13).

And, for people who question this on the forums- it's in the "general" section.  You can also get to it from JoeUser.com.

And, Steve, with that said- you need to control the personal attacks on here.  Since this is your blog, you can delete the personal attacks.  Disagreement is fine, but personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Reply #94 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Note that despite my previous posts, I have nothing against people smoking pot. I have done so myself back in my late teens, like most teens do (I don't know the stats in the US, but in Canada more than 60% of kids under 18 have tried pot at least once). Also, I don't think that pot is much worse than alcohol is either. And finally, I am one of those who believe it should be legalised.
But... I also think it's wrong to think that it's harmless, that it's not addictive and that driving while it's influence is OK. And I think the same about alcohol: it's not harmless, it's addictive and driving under its influence is not OK.
Note also that I have stopped the consumption of any alcohol as well. Not for health reason, just because, as an adult I've learned that I enjoy to keep 100% control of my own mind. I've learned to hate not thinking clearly, caused by both alcohol and/or pot.
Reply #95 from JoeUser Forums Top
I hadn't checked this from the Joe User site. I can see that I can delete posts. Thanks for letting me know.
Reply #96 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Note also about Canada that it's a CRIMINAL offense to drive while impaired, either by alcohol or by any drug, including pot. If you get caught, not only will you get a high fine and get your license temporarely removed (1 year at the first offense I believe), but you will get a criminal record and you may even have to serve some time in jail.
Driving while under the influence of drugs or alcohol is dangerous and can get you in serious trouble.
Reply #97 from WinCustomize Forums Top
my post was not intended as a personal attack..my comment about "being young and invincible" was based on ....."I find whenever I am high and driving it just allows me to have a bigger love for driving and I enjoy it more because I am paying more attention to it. Now I can't speak for everyone and that isn't my intention to come off that way, but I am saying that for me it doesn't make driving harder it makes it easier." "It's one thing to say it's bad but actually saying it's makes a big difference when driving is another. If you have actually ever done it you can see that it's not that harmful when driving on the road."Like I said before. Some people can't drive while under it, and some people can." those statements would imply that you feel you are one of those who CAN....IMO those statements would be associated with youth and the feeling "it cant happen to me".


My comment of "if your that arrogant or stupid" was my generalized opinion about any one who thinks driving under ANY type or amount of influence is safe...it was not meant as a personal attack ...


here you say..."As far as me driving quite a lot, but most of it I am sober. I don't often drive while high. You also can say everything I am saying is pointless but that is your opinion I might make a difference in someones life and thats enough for me, maybe not for you"...... well ya hit one person while driving under the influence, and yes you will have made a differance in someones life...

i am a professional truck driver (i quit "smoken up" long before i started driving)...and i would never risk the chance of driving while impared. even the slightest risk is to great..(a driver buzzed up in 114,000 lbs of steel is a scary thought)...."i place yours and your friends/familys lives higher than my need to relax....and heres a thought....since pot is not regulated and tested for consistancy/quality you have to trust the fact that the bud you just bought has not been tainted with other stuff...IMO its just not worth the risk to others......

like i said i am a former "smoker" and im not talking the occasional hit here and there ...so my opinions are not from a lack of experience...
Reply #98 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Paxx your sources for the canadian legal system are wrong. I have many friends who have been pulled over my cops and I have been with some of them while we were high. The cops didn't do anything related to suspension of their licence or anything like the such. They simply took the marijuana and the bongs and such. So as far as that goes it doesn't happen to everyone. Maybe in some parts of Canada it is like that. But in Toronto it's not like that at all.
Reply #99 from WinCustomize Forums Top
"Victorian Police" - This is in Australia. In Australia, for the whole country we have about 500 road deaths a year.

I come from India (Bangalore). In just our city we have atleast 1000 road deaths.

So, I am immune to people driving like mad drunks.
About marijuana, drinking, smoking, drugs etc...
come on guys and gals, every one knows that it will inhibit brain function.

So, smoke up, drink up, do what ever you want (including speaking on the mobile when driving) and kill yourselves on the road and make this world a better place to live in!!!!
Reply #100 from WinCustomize Forums Top
well i will admit i am young and all so some people may think my opinion is just one of a pothead teenager and at points that is true but i am goin to tell you a story.the point of telling you this story may ease your thoughts on tokin and drivin.when i was 12 my brother got in an accident the night before september 11.The reason for this accident was because he had taken some pills earlier and had gotten entoxicated with alchol.He had smoke weed as well that day and also gotten behind the wheel but he thought he was going fast when in reality he was goin like 30mph lol!i found that funny i was laughin my ass off in the car.The point is to make you realize so drugs cause the effect of hyperactivity in the body but other drugs cause the effect of thinkin your goin real fast but your not.MARIJUANA is the most unharmful drug because of which it accualy causes your brain to use more thought rather than some other drugs that causes your brain to slow down and also do things so spontainious that you at the moment do not realize yourself what is happening.I am a "pothead" and my teachers will even tell you i am one of the most briliant student they have had.I get high on a regular basis and i even have posters of it in my room.I am also studying pharmicuticals and the effects of drugs on the brain.The drugs that i am studying are not only prescription drugs but also street and other adrugs of that nature.I am only 16 and i know so much about this subject that is why it intregees me so.If you would care to talk to me more i have an aol instant messanger screen name that is babybecca1116 and an e-mail address [email protected] i would love to hear all your thoughts and opinions

i love marijuana