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Your thoughts on Marijuana

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Your thoughts on Marijuana

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Hey,

I have tried having this conversion on other forums but it always gets out of hand with people flaming eachother. I just want to have a conversation about the subject and hear peoples thoughts on it and maybe clear some rumors about it up. There are many people who think it's bad and that it's very bad for your lungs. Me being from Canada I smoke it regularly so I don't have a problem with it. The only factor I can see is that it is bad for the lungs as is any smoke to inhale. I was thinking for medical reasons, if they extracted the THC from inside the plant and simply put it in canisters and distrubute it to patients much like anesthesia. That way there is no lung damage from inhaling the smoke and the patients can be given certian dosages to scale rather than having to smoke up.

Say what you have to say. All opinions welcome.
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Reply #51 from WinCustomize Forums Top
hmmm... I could write about 50 pages on what some people here have said. But I'll just say this. Pot impairs your judgement and your senses. Just as alchohol does. I have never, nor will I ever put either of them in my body. I don't mean to sound 'holier than thou' with that statement, I'm just saying. Drugs, alchohol and tobacco have had a massive negative impact on my life. My older brother spent his 20's drunk and high on drugs of all sorts, and nearly died twice. Once from an OD, once from a car accident while he was high on pot. My nephew, once a straight A high school student, with aspriations of becoming a geologist, is now 26 and living at home with a drug induced case of paranoid schizophrenia... and will never live on his own or have a job. My mother, who 1 year ago had her right lung removed becuase of lung cancer, now is undergoing radiation for a cancerous tumor in her brain. She smoked 37 years. So as far as I'm concerned, you can take all the pot, beer and cigarettes to the moon and bury them there, because the negative affects are not worth the very temporary high.

Just my thoughts and experiences....
Reply #52 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm seeing a lot of people here who've quit after simply growing out of it. Kinda nice to hear, kudos to all of you.

Funny how all that experience doesn't seem to sway the young'uns though. Oh well, their loss, hazing the days of youth away.
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Reply #53 from WinCustomize Forums Top
just dont do drugs guys... Its just wrong...
Reply #54 from WinCustomize Forums Top
My thoughts are... where can you get some decent stuff this time of night...
Reply #55 from WinCustomize Forums Top
There are a lot of good points here. A lot of things some people have said that I would have a much different reaction if they had said that to me in person. That is why I decided to start this here. I have very strong feelings towards this drug and clearly you all do as well. You can say that it's altered my mind to think I need it or what not. But the fact is I don't really care. It has never done me wrong and I have never seen any of the bad effects commonly listed with marijuana. Maybe I'm 1 in a million but I haven't had a problem with it since I started. I know that I like most of you on here will grow out of it at a time because I highly doubt I will contiune doing it throughout my adult life.

The few things that annoy me is that I can bet you that 90% of you that have posted bad comments only saying how it is bad and no good effects for it have never really done it in your entire life. The only way you could really become a judge is to do it for a year or hell at least 6 months and then and only then can you show an educated guess. Reading books and research studies on something is what people only use in their arguments these days and that truely makes me sad. What ever happened to "hands on" learning. What is in the books and in the real world is much different. Don't believe everything you read, experience goes a lot farther then reading will ever go.

webgizmos I wanted to thank you for your post. Some people on this site might be to arrogant to understand you but that is given with any group of crowd. I'm glad someone at your age and with your experience with the drug can shed some intelligent light on the subject. Thanks for your post very much.

I can see a touched on a big topic here. I hope this can contiune because this is something that won't go away.

As far as making it legal which without a doubt I am for I think it would be good to finally be able to tax it and make money off of it. Better yet we will then be able to begin to use hemp for it's uses. It is a much better paper replacement for tree's before we cut them all off this planet.
Reply #56 from WinCustomize Forums Top
What ever happened to "hands on" learning



umm.. LOL... That's like someone telling me "Hitting yourself repeatedly with a hammer for hours on end is bad for you" but not taking the person's word for it until I actually TRY it myself. LOL.. eek!
Reply #57 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Folks this is a skinning site, and this article really doesn't belong here. I really think having articles like this takes away from the site as a whole. Skinning, and shell customizaiton has become a huge topic, and we come here to get news about that. Having a discussion about pot on the front page is not just unprofessional, but distasteful for many people. If you love this site, and the reputation it has gained in the skinning community then why on earth would you do anything to limit, or jeopardize that.

I realize that some people like to blog just fo the fun of it, or need an outlet to speak, but there are plenty of sites to do that on. Could we just try to stay on topic (at least on the front page.) It isn't just the subject of pot. I feel the same way about political articles (I mention them, because a lot of sites post political stuff) or any articles that have no relevance to the main topic. I can understand articles about copyright, because they pertain to what we are all doing, but this particular article is pretty far from home.
Reply #58 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I am embarassed for you Frugus, for having said that. Thinking this topic is unprofessional? wow, I never thought people could be so arrogant. This a real subject in the world and it's not something unprofessional. It's the people that make it unprofessional. I'm sure if we were all sitting in the house of commons (Canada) you wouldn't open your mouth with comments like that. This is in the general subject not in the skinning section. The reason it's on the front page is because people have something to say on this topic, it wouldn't be if the case were different.

SbgFX, thats a very bad example you used with the hammer. Pretty much defeated my meaning, but thats a fair statement to say. But I think that there is a difference between smoking and beating yourself over the head with a hammer.

As far as me driving quite a lot, but most of it I am sober. I don't often drive while high. You also can say everything I am saying is pointless but that is your opinion I might make a difference in someones life and thats enough for me, maybe not for you.
Reply #59 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Well I have been smoking pot longer than you have been alive Steve. I still do. The important point is Gabriel's. Drugs DESTROY youth. It can be harmless and it can be very harming depending on the user. Preaching your perspective on it is meaningless. You might as well be preaching religion. Everyone has there point of view. and yes it doesnt belong on this site.

one question Steve. Just how much driving do you do at the age of 16? just wondering is all.
Reply #60 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Yea, the hammer's less destructive. Eventually you'll pass out and at least your lungs will be intact!
Reply #61 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I hit myself with that hammer and many other hammers back in the day. I also would not listen to reason.
Reply #62 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Might as well add my two cents...

Pot should be legal, but controlled. Just like cigarettes, Alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs. If you get caught driving drunk, you go to jail. In the state of NY, there is a zero-tolerance policy on driving drunk, so pot should be able to fall in the same sort laws. As far as the statements of "dulling your senses" and all that, very true. Pot makes you stupid, no doubt about it, but cigarettes give you lung cancer (it says so, in plain english, right on the box), drinking gives you scirosis of the liver, and every other drug that you get a prescription for has side-effects. They are all the same thing, if you ask me. Why should one be illegal, and others not? The reason I think pot should be legal, is because it's not addictive, I don't care WHAT you say, it's not. If you think it is, then you've never been in the position to make that assumption. Cocaine, heroine, ecstasy, and the like are all EXTREMELY addictive and much much more harmful to your body. Those types of drugs should be illegal and for good reason, they should be banned from the planet earth!

Anyways, I've smoked pot for many years, and I still go about my life as normal. The difference is, I dont abuse it, I smoke once in a while when I just want to lay back and relax. If you smoke everyday, it loses its purpose. It takes the fun out of it, the motive for doing it becomes a blur. You start doing it "just to do it", it should never be that way, and that's talking from experience. Same goes for drinking, I drink once in a while, but damned if I'm gonna do it every day! If you abuse ANYTHING, then you will suffer the consenquences, I say be smart about it. Enjoy smoking pot if that's what you like to do, but don't be a fool and abuse it, or force your bad habit onto others. You will only hurt yourself in the long run.
Reply #63 from WinCustomize Forums Top
As far as madical marijuana goes. Hey they can give you morphine for pain, but not pot. Huh?
Reply #64 from WinCustomize Forums Top
"Marijuana causes people to lose their memory and lose their energy, and it makes them stupid... It is the last thing that one would want to see happen on or around a university or state capital.... And people who are casual about drugs ought to realize that a lot of people are dying in America." From The De-Valuing of America (page 130) by Former drug addicted Drug Czar William Bennett. (He was on nicotine maintenance when he was Drug Czar.)

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.". take the advice of ppl who hav been there and dun that.

Reply #65 from WinCustomize Forums Top
"Marijuana causes people to lose their memory and lose their energy, and it makes them stupid... It is the last thing that one would want to see happen on or around a university or state capital.... And people who are casual about drugs ought to realize that a lot of people are dying in America." From The De-Valuing of America (page 130) by Former drug addicted Drug Czar William Bennett. (He was on nicotine maintenance when he was Drug Czar.)

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.". take the advice of ppl who hav been there and dun that.

Reply #66 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I watched one of my best friends turn into a mental case, scizophrenic and paranoid.
My sister went from being artistic and clever to being dopey, uninspired and crabby whenever the topic was raised.

I find doped people to be irritating, unpredictable, and unattractive, as I do with drunk people.

Dope will never be a recreationally legal drug. I can't see any business touching another item like cigarettes without a very good chance of getting away with no lawsuits years down the track.

Medical use of marijuana *sounds* like a good idea, but it's not like a panadol, or a pack of strepsils for a dry sore throat, and it's effects are not localised to a specific purpose. It does more than just 'dull the pain', this property is not 'selectable' among it's other effects, therefore is not suitable as mainstream drug. Morphine is used for *extreme* pain, and is highly addictive if not controlled.

'Mad cows disease' is a disease which may take many many years to appear, but eventually your brain goes soft spongy and you become demented. 6months of eating mad cow hamburgers can give you the disease, even less time will. I'm not going to take the risk of 'trying' something out that hasn't at least been tested throughly and shown by some entity which is trustworthy to be 'safe'. I am afraid of things like not being able to remember who my family is when I am older, or accidentally injuring people because I am not able to think straight. The idea that I could do such a thing whilst out of my *own* control makes me feel ill and scared.

There are lots of things we do already that are damaging to ourselves and others. Sitting in front of this computer monitor is slowly damaging my eyes, making my arse fat, and potentially causing electromagnetic radiation effects resulting in brain cancers. I am aware of this, but distinct differences between everyday dangers and smoking are available, and usually it boils down to affecting your environment and people around you, and not just yourself.

Addictivness comes in many chemical and non chemical forms. A lot of it is to do with hormones (or something) the body and brain releases as a reaction to certain things, even things like chocolate. These 'feel good' hormones are addictive in themselves. If you train your brain that it can get unlimited supply of these hormones through 'cravings' of drugs, even marijuana, it initiate an addiction style situation. Withdrawl symptoms are a sign of addiction, if you stop marijuana smoking, then think 'oh I could really do with a good relaxing effect from marijuana', you are addicted. *You* might have the strength to go...'nah, I'll just go sit at the beach' or something but that strength is different from person to person. Eventually your brain might learn that it doesn't get it's hormone fix from those cravings anymore, and the 'urges' will subside. Hungry Jacks (Burger King) emplys these concepts blatently even in their advertising! 'It starts as just a niggling sensation, then the thought sticks, gotta have a flame grilled whopper' (or something like that) They fill the air with 'burger king smell' when you drive past, they are training your brain to associate 'pleasure-mones (heheh)' with their food.

Oh stuff it.
Nah, I don't like the idea of pot.
Reply #67 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I think frugus is right, this thread doesn't belong on a skinning site. We know that the folks at this site are a diverse bunch with with multiple, divergent viewpoints on everything from politics, to religion, to, in this case, recreational drug use. What is the point of debating opinions of what is still an illegal drug in most of the world? No one is going to change their opinion, and IMO, it's starting to make us all look a little silly.
Reply #68 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Saying things like that make you look silly welcome to life and try to have an educated conversation. It is a skinning site but if people didn't have anything to say about it, this thread would be just me and a bunch of pro pot lovers. It doesn't matter if it is illegal or legal its still an issue that can be discussed.
Reply #69 from WinCustomize Forums Top
According to my president, any illegal drug whether purchased, sold, consumed, etc., contributes to terrorism and I happen to agree. Marijuana will leave you sitting on a park bench while you contemplate stealing from the pigeons. I've seen the negative social impact it has on peoples lives, even people that do not consume it. I have found that chronic users are very unreliable usually reckless by nature, and cause a social/economic burden to modernized industrial societies.
Reply #70 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Just a little aside here. You asked for thoughts and that is what people are giving. Some are pro, some are against, and some think the discussion is misplaced. All are thoughts on the subject and all are valid. It should be possible to read through what people say without attacking them, or devaluing their position. If you feel strong enough in your position then different ideas shouldn't threaten you.
Reply #71 from WinCustomize Forums Top
A while back a long term member of this site wrote a few homespun stories. (which I liked BTW) A Wizop popped up on the thread and questioned their validity on a skinning site. The long term member got such a shock he disappeared for a while. Yet here we have a self confessed pot smoking driver (having held a licence for how long?) trying to get absolution (IMHO) for his habit under the guise of discussion. Marijuana discussions have been done to death.
If you are going to drink, smoke gigarettes, do pot or whatever else that takes your fancy that's your own private business. I don't see anything in this thread that has broken new ground or shed any light on what to me, is a heartbreaking problem. I'm not a wizop by any stretch of the imagination but why don't you take your discussion to the appropriate forums where you just might get some qualified discussion and assistance for you "recreational"
habit.
Reply #72 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Sorry Steve, I don't see that many 'pro pot lovers' posting their educated views One guy did say "Pot Rulezzzzzz" on the first page of the thread, though. Might extrapolate from that.

This is getting silly, but I'm getting a laugh out of it. Great to hear so many mature and well thought out posts though. And yeah, it's way off topic. I was kinda taken aback to see it on the front page here, but it's up to the admins whether or not it's an acceptable thread.
Reply #73 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Current options available are...

To allow the thread and observe...

or..

Delete it.

To date there's no real reason to delete...it's just an odd topic...

Reply #74 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Steve - you opened your post by asking that people offer their opinions on an all welcome basis and wanting to avoid flaming that you experienced elsewhere.


I am embarassed for you


Some people on this site might be to arrogant to understand


Saying things like that make you look silly welcome to life and try to have an educated conversation



Given these are all you I think I've spotted why your previous attempts have led to flaming.
Reply #75 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Jafo..... a wise man.
I agree, it's an odd topic, but, everyone has their own opinion on a subject such as this and I simply choose to either read a thread or not but, "BRAND NEW WINDOWS TRAILER!", "Where you from?", "Freedom of speech", "Word association (Another annoying thread!)", "wstaylor wedding pictures", " It's Christmas Time...make a wish thread.", "Say Merry Christmas To Your Beloved Ones", "Christmas Carols", etc.............. have nothing to do with skinning yet they tend to be the threads with the most activity and sometimes the most lively. As for me.... Live and let live!! HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE!