'Road trauma' isn't about potholes.

You are being deliberately obtuse, right?

And doing it ever so well.

Yes, Anchorage goes through their major roads every few years because of all the frost heaves, and the politicians actually have the balls to blame the cost of roadwork on studded tires.  The state troopers on the other hand run ads telling people to run em, so they never get anywhere with trying to ban them.

Wear does contribute, particularly in cold weather climates where studs are common, but unfortunately for the idea, that's also where you get the most frost heaves.  They're lumpy and filled with holes before the wear becomes a problem on all but the beefiest road.  When you build a road that's set deep enough to ignore the weather, wear actually is the only thing you're really worried about.  In which case it's just a matter of a quick resurfacing every five to ten years, with several decades for minor side roads.

You'll spend more on trivial driving expenses like wiper fluid than that costs.

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Fortunately I can see 'edits' so I can see you're just 'innocently' obtuse....;p

The cost to society of each road fatality far outweighs the cost of subsidising Public Transport. [which, per passenger mile kills/injures far fewer people].

We're hilariously off-topic but then I really don't get 'pissed off' as easily as some appear to think....just need to correct absurdities of 'logic'....;p

When you're old enough to drive I'm sure you'll get to see some first-hand....;)

I realize you are probably in the opinion that government does not exist to solve problems (or if so, a very, very limited set of them). And that's fine, but don't go around thinking that that point of view is law. There is a big difference between wanting a smarter government and communism, and even if there wasn't, that's no reason for being an attack dog. Those that do not admit to seeing at least a tiny bit of truth to others contrary claims are probably to shaded to be commenting.

YOu are rather full of yourself, arntcha .....   .....   .....

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&cp=9&gs_id=10&xhr=t&q=road+trauma+support+services&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&safe=off&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=road+trau&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=ad348f2271ff8497&biw=1059&bih=691 

OK...so it's a long URL ...but Lord knows what you searched for if you didn't catch an answer....;p

Yes...someone has to be....'cos everyone else thinks I'm an-evil-bastard-admin ....;)

LOL, 1st bunch of sites on road trauma are all from Oz. I guess its more a frequent term in the underland .........  

EDIT: I will follow a long url, I ignore tiny.url

EDIT 2 link u supplied supprts me... 

every link on that page is .au

Australian Roads need some real help I guess

I'm not thinking Anchorage.  I'm thinking Seward and Talkeetna.   There they have to resurface the roads every YEAR.

Quite possible, but when arguing with someone on the merits of the intelligence of a given course of action, I don't dismiss a written, plain as day law as something to ignore.  I argue that the law is wrong and needs changed, not that it doesn't exist simply because I don't like it.  You will not find me saying piracy is legal in the United States, you'll find me saying our copyright laws are as insane as the piracy advocates are, and probably more damaging to the related industries as well.

Ignoring whatever restrictions on power you find unpalatable will only end in one of two destination.  A strong, dictatorial central government with a long reach into your private life.  Or a complete economic collapse, whichever comes first.  Neither are good, and both tend to end in a bloody revolution.

When it became a "living document" that changed it's meaning based on the views of it's reader, we were fucked.  They used their new found meanings to take over the system, warp entire generations, and bypass the electoral process that would have prevented civilization altering changes in governance.  Now we're a country filled with ignorant morons that can't even read what a law says without going to consult another half dozen books and see what a bunch of trained liars decided it really meant in the end.

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Part weather, part stupidity.  Well, no, mostly stupidity.  The idiots around here in southern Oklahoma are doing the same damned thing, it's pathetic really.  They put an inch and a half of pavent on top of dirt and expect it to last more than six months.  Naturally, they replace large sections of the roadwork multiple times a year.  Anchorage used to have much better roads than they do now, they used a harder gravel in the asphalt, but they never built good roads.  The stuff they use now is so soft they actually do get wear patterns in the busiest intersections before the frost heaves make it necessity.

Frost heaving and other forms of water erosion can be all but eliminated, it just requires putting in several feet of rock.  The less rock you put down, and small towns are typically worse about it than large cities, the quicker the frost heaves wipe it out.  You can build a fifty year road pretty much anywhere in the country, it's just damned expensive to dig deep and out, put down all that tonnage of rock, and surface it well.  They see how much it costs, realize they can redo them for a decade or two in the interim on the cost, and ignore the long term implications.

myfist0 ...perhaps that's because I, too am Australian.

Google likes to default to 'local' first...and even Oz is 'local' to some people...;)

The US annual road toll is what, 10,000?   Try assigning a financial 'cost' to each....ignoring the affect on relatives, etc.

Even with an anti-social Medical Industry there is going to be a COST to Joe-Public for every person who is injured/killed/traumatized [there's that word again]....;)

Oh heck....ignore my slant on things....

Save the Pothole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  FFS ....;p

The constitution was a "living document" from day one, just look at the states right issue. Its been an debate since it was signed, had a war fought over it, and still isn't settled. All laws need to be somewhat vague to take into account the differences of the people who signed them. The problem has probably gotten worse lately due to dubious politics to be certain, but to think that there was ever a single interpretation of the constitution that was agreed on is just a pure fantasy.

If anything has changed its probably that now everyone can actually read the constitution, which means there are a lot more points of view on it than when the founding elite wrote it, and certainly lots of more people commenting on it like ourselves.

Rofl Jafo.

As I stated I did look it up and all the pages were Australian. You gave a link and all those pages were Australian. It is one of the cultural uses of English I guess. You would make one hell of a diplomat mocking people that misunderstood the uses of english of which there are many.

I do agree with you on public transport and the cost of injuries and deaths on the roads.

That's in the job brief of all 'diplomats'...;)

I'd imagine the term is more widespread than 'just' Oz .... but can't be buggered looking....;)

I thought potholes were caused by grabboids.  You mean it's safe to go out now?

maybe we should get back on topic now 

I do not care why, I do like it was unanimous.

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LOL Buggered in Canada means broken or not working. I cant be broken looking?

You really need to study your 'Strine'.

'Can't be buggered' means 'can't be stuffed'....like....if you over exert yourself you feel worn out...aka 'buggered'.

So, in Proppa English.... 'I feel the application of effort towards that end will reap scant rewards worthy of said effort.'

Or...

'I can't be buggered'.  Other Strine for 'not working' includes buggered, stuffed, knackered, and just plain broke.

And 'Strine' comes from... 'Let stalk Strine', a book on fair-dinkum use of English as practised by those Down Under....;)

Believe me, I know.   Achieving good roads is more of a science and more difficult to achieve than you might think.   Our civil engineers are doing some good stuff.  Back in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics I was working with the Georgia DOT and it was actually my job to determine the right mix of lime, etc. to achieve optimal stress withstanding, exfoliation resistance, etc..   I did a robotic data acquisition system that did nothing but crush asphalt under all these different mixes and it graphed on a computer screen the curves of the give the asphalt had under all the different psi ranges.  There was quite a bit of math to it.   Once we decided on the right percentage composition of everything, we sent it out to the road crews who had to lay 100,000,000 TONS of it before the Olympic games.   We did a pretty good job of it--after all, you never particularly heard anything about the roads when the Olympics were going on--but believe me, when it's not done so well, it's more understandable than you might think.   It's not like you just go out, dig up a whole bunch of rocks, lay it down into a road, and drive on it.

I'd cheer, but the politicians are the idiots running the show, so finding out the surfacing mixtures just doesn't do me any good when the damned idiots here wont use anything but butter soft gravel and never put down a proper bed...

They actually put limestone on the gravel roads, limestone!

I don't know the exact situation in Oklahoma, but the politicians are probably not the ones doing the nitty-gritty (literally) determining the asphalt mixtures, and the tradeoff you have to make is the elasticity.  In general you want high elasticity, because that will last the longest under varying loads (i.e. sedans vs. 18-wheelers).  When the road bends under pressure to the point that it never snaps back, we call that plastic.  Elastic vs. plastic.  You will want good plastic behavior, because at least that's better than cracking, but in the end it's 100% elasticity under your worse-case load that you want. 

No, not me!  I think you're full of......

Nah, not really.... you make valid points 90% of the time. It's the 10% tongue-in-cheek stuff that gets me.  But hey, it'd be boring if you were serious all of the time.

I recall a time when I worked on the Ipswich City Council and was sent out with a gang of blokes to repair this massive pothole.  After about 4 hours of procrastination we decided that it was too big to fill, so we dug it up and put it on the back of the truck to take back to the depot.  Anyhow, we were going up this steep hill and the pothole fell off the back of the truck and onto the bonnet of the car behind.  He sued, and with all the ensuing court proceedings the magistrate ordered that we put the pothole back where we found it.  And you know, to this very day cars are buggering up their suspension in it [some have even been lost in it for days at a time], so I guess there is a reason for saving potholes, though I thinks it's a conspiracy between council and the local mechanics entrusted to do the repairs.

Well....since this thread has 'evolved' from issues of privacy and civil rights to the very real problem of road construction management....

The Height of Council idiocy was the revelation there's a bunch of council workers whose job could be described as 'pothole appreciators'.

Not 'quite'  "ooh, that's a nice one" ....but more "ooh that's a big one".

Once they have appreciated the pothole they then engage the appropriate team to fix it...big team for big hole...little team for little hole.

Good to see there's always going to be Jobs-for-morons ....;p

If you HAVE to ask 'how better could it be done?'  I suggest you apply for a job as Pothole Appreciator.