dont forget the emp weapons. Don't kill anyone or anything but knock out electronics....

That's actually false. The Neutron Bomb has a lower yield compared to conventional nuclear weapons, but it's still orders of magnitude higher than conventional bombs and does produce a big blast (if detonated on the ground) that pretty much levels anything inside its lethal radiation zone anyway

at ground zero

Yeah, we don't have any neutron bombs, they were all decommissioned - that was my point

Way to discriminate against us Hippies

At least I get some.

so that means we don't know how to make them

Daniel, look at the Wiki article on the neutron bomb -- while it does, indeed, focus on killing radiation over heat and blast, it has sufficient heat and blast to level most civilian construction anyway. It is designed more to deal with armored vehicles (such as tanks) which would be capable of absorbing far more in the terms of heat and blast than a unprotected human.

There is also a g bomb that acts like an EMP, but its not.
(The g stands for graphite.) It dispenses small graphite fibers that can pass trough any material exept skin and laed. As we all know, the graphite conducts electricity, so it creates short circutes. What it does is that it destroys any electronic circutes within the blast radius. IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY RADIATION, SO IT IS NOT HARMFUL FOR HUMANS!
If someone woud drop it on London, or NY, it woud mean the total collapse of the stock markets, and a world wide depression.
Talking about the perfect weapon of mass destruction!

P.S. sorry about bringing this subject up again,
but I have been sick and didint have accses online.

oh we know how to make them, a few heavy metals and some clay coating and you're in buisness! oh, did I forget the purified uranium? bah you could get that stuff from your local drug dealer.

ok, 1) we have redundancies in the stock market meant to counter any such extreme collapse, 2) you would have to have an extremely powerful (nuke level, not any form of conventional weaponry) air blast in order for that to even be remotely feasible, at which point you are just as well off dropping it into the civilian center

whats really an issue is if someone could get a nuke 30 miles up, that blast would wipe out somewhere around 70% of electronics across the continental US. again I dont think terrorists are anywhere near close to achieving either standard, however nuclear warfare with other countries... isnt a pretty sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_bomb
link for anyone interested in the "g bomb", again its limited in range. even if you did blow it up over wallstreet its not going to accomplish much in terms of damage, even less if you go for the powergrid (it was a bit irritating, but the new england blackout didnt cause any severe problems) also the engineering that goes behind this bomb is probably not something a terrorist could easily get his hand on, I'm not an engineer, but from my knowledge of both chemistry and physics you would have to have almost pure graphite, possibly doped with something, not to mention getting it into a "fine cloud" requires extensive knowledge of the anatomy of explosions.

just for the record. The physics involved in actually causing a planet to explode is just rediculous. even if these future races could harness that kind of power, it is most likely the planet would liquefy and then fall back in on its own collective gravity. You cant get rid of matter on this large of a scale. The only way to do that is in an actual nuclear process, in which its not so much the "mater" that is actually being lost but rather energy from the nuclear bonds that is being released, though some would question the nature of mater and say that that in essence is the loss of mass... either way the fact is you wouldn't just have to have the energy to break apart the planet but also supply enough energy to eject the majority of mater from its gravity well... or at least get its rotating fast enough to go into orbit around its center of mass.

What I would like to see for the game play sake... and because the physics is just kinda cool... is a weapon that was SOO powerful that it did in fact cause the planets mass to break apart in the process liquefing. then as the planet breaks apart you see it fall back in on its self... causing some VERY impressive graphics. needless to say everything and everyone on said planet would be dead. and the planets type would thus be changed to a volcanic planet. ... yes that would be very exceptable... yeaaas... {evvvil mad-scientist laughter ensues}

and yes i know its a little late in development... i'm just sayin

yes that would be cool!

trav, if they have the energy to shatter the planet, hoisting rocks off in every which way isnt too much of a stretch...

so long as you admit its a stretch... id take it besides theres plenty of other things in this particular scifi univers I could get my little physicist panties in a bunch about... but i choose not to cause its a game and it freeking rocks!

about the non-orbiting objects? the pseudoscience "phase" system? or... how about planets only being 1/4 the size of the sun?

Somehow I have a hard time believing that inhaling large amounts of graphite would be entirely harmelss to your lungs...

no, it would be incredibally toxic. especially considering the size of the particles they are considering, sounds like that would go STRAIGHT into the bloodstream. even if it didnt larger chunks would chalken airways.

naah, ive eaten/breathed tons of graphite and im PREFECTLY FIEN!

I suspect the main mechanism would be punctures in lung tissue and eventual death from asphyxiation.

Essentially, a frag grenade to your lungs.

i'm sorry but the n-bomb was never tested above ground and the wiki doesn't really give us much detail about the test.
and, i mean seriouly the wiki on the graphite says it takes out power and is NON LETHALand i come on, blackout out power on a planet is not gonna do sh*t, these civilizations probably are using some kind of fusion power for their electricity and a single planet probably has 100s of these. if i was governing a planet, i would say put the power stations underground so if someone tried to drop a NON LETHAL graphite bomb it wouldn't do a thing.
also, if i'm a TEC i would nuke everything on some of these planets, i don't want no messed up vasari crap where i'm living.
Just my opinion.

So you prefer irradiated environments?

I always did wonder how long you can survive radiation doses high enough to make your teeth glow-in-the-dark. (No more pesky whitening treatments) Lemme know how that one works out for you

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rlly i heard u talking about taking a quick jump to your planet then blowing it up with a superwweaopon.

indeed this sounds onnoying since there's litle u can do about it.
tough i never heard anyone say how long this... superweaopon has to charge before actualy firing?

i mean... u cant suspect somthing with the power to blow, or kil the planet's surface works like a simple pistol... pul the trigger and boom...

more like pul the trigger, wait 30 or more seconds then a shot.



also, the power to "destroy" (in term's of blowing it to 1.000.000 bits and pieces)
cannot be done from the surface. u would have to get some sort of supernuke in the planet's core. eve nthen u'll end up with a few big plates flying loose..., (imagine europe flying by

since it's rather dificult getting to the planet's core from outer space, "destroying" a planet would feel more like vaporizing the surface (and anything burried).

the siege frigate's nukes help alot with "blowing" the surface. tough a superweaopon that chain react's the planet's atmosphere would be cathastrophic, since nothing but the deepest bunker would survive,
even if the guys in the bunker manage 2 come out the infrastructure on the planet = gone and u seriously hit the oponents economy


if i think of a planetkilling weaopon i am actualy thinking about destroying the enemy on the planet, not the planet itself.
this concludes my opinion on the Superweaopon thingy


now 2 start on the N-BOMB thingy,
the further away the detonation the larger the radius, example: detonate N-bomb 30 miles above the US and u black out 95% of the US

detonate N-Bomb near edge of atmosphere and u'll probably black out 40 to 50% of the planet
since the electronic shockwave is wider then the planet when it contacts the planet it hit's the surface in a circle, and since the planet is round (at least i hope)u'll hit 40 to 50%



now (finaly) i;m new here... sow i'll all give u a nice HI

Here is som fun reading for all you would-be planet destroyers How to destroy the Earth

while the lung puncturing is very nice, I believe its the little graphite knives in your major arteries that will get you first.

yup, already said so.

no, at that point the ionosphere would interrupt most of the blast, you might blow some homemade circuit boards, but it wouldnt be a dense hit. certainly anything grounded would be fine.


I love that article, its quite funny.

This thread needs a link to "The End of the World"

you dont nescessarily need access to the core to blow up a planet, drill charges, blasting with shitloads of ammo, moving the planet out of orbit, all that works.