yes

at the mo

Imperium, Eldar, Dark eldar, orcs, orcs again, chaos, necron, genestealer cults or interex (whihc will one day be changed back to tau)

the minor races are still the same but thats on going as i have tooken a few dace off work next week and since i'm reading "False Gods" at the mo i'll probably bash around ripping out perfectly good code.

If anyone has made any passible imperial etc ships i would love to see. I reckon we could probably knock up a separate ship pack. When i started playing gal civs i made a pretty passible gothic class cruiser which was stonking but now looks pretty outdated especially compared to the foprmidable orbit smashiong planet invading strike cruisers and galaxy busting "mommy tis raing soldiers" battlebarges!!!!

as the mod has not yet been validated i think you can still nab it from the link on this page? i'll chack that in a mo

I didn't see any reference from the raceconfg. to the techtrees etc. Only the preselected aperance is given there - which you can use to have more then 6 shipstyles.

I haven't had any time to work on the IG models lately - but it would take me years anyway to finish the amount of different models in there ( IG, Eldar, Tau, Chaos, Necron. . . one whole mountain of work)

i have updated the raceconfig file so that you have tau as a amjor race and interex as a minor human empire, changed all the minor races so now have hurd and jokeiro, kept a few of the pics abd just changed names.

also genestealers use the dreadlords hulls which look a lot more tyranidish

How many of these Sci Fi shows and stuff exist.  

I decided to make only one chapter for each race, there will be a Imperial Guard and Space Marines separated and they wont be the same race, I want to create all of the basic races (Im just nost sure about Daemon Hunters and Witch Hunters, they should be a special race or in a group with space marines, Adeptus Mechanicus will be part of the SpaceMarines even if they are quite separated), midn8t is right about creating a base of W40K universe and then adding some other details, I very appreciate all the advices and ideas here

I was down at games workshop store othere day and i actully asked about race thing bettween space marines and impearl guard.

answear i got was this.

just becuase you have space marines and impearl guard armys as seapeart indentis dosnt mean there whole speart races.

it be like saying that becuase usa marines, usa air froce and usa army along wiht speacil froces are diffrent factions dosnt mean they must be diffrent completly and work seperatly as if there rouge factions.

the air froce marines and navy are diffrent orgnizations and factions but there lead by same gernerals and leaders. same holds true with the space marines and impearl guard and any tohere froce thats part of the impearuim.

and to relat this they said that in books codexs it states that you can use units from any above armys to gethere as allie froces. so that you can have army of impearl guard with space marines with witch hunters and so forth.

and space marines and impearl guard along with witch hunter armys which are just, inquiostor lead armys and inqueiotrs have abilty to recurit driectly from impearl guard along with space marines.

i was also told that there are gorups that are rouge, kinda but there on edge of become chaos, one example is blood angels and dark angels who are consdier but alot to be almost hertics.


space mainres and impearl guard also share same planets and resrouces. and there tehcnology comes from same group techprist.


the, space marine chatpers recurit driectly from impearl guard ranks those that have proved them selfs not from planets they take over that they see as below them.

example civilians are not worthy, of becoming space marines, space marines can live for 1000 of thouansd of years beucase they dont only get genticly changed but they can inquoire robitc features. there people who have proved them selfs in combat over and over and over agin and or even may have givern there life in combat.

as for that if space marines and impearl guard always half to be on a diploamcy of allie and always. so it always be two civlizations with two diffrent researchs going agsint every one elese and every one elese would also always be fighting each othere.

so if you had 6 civlizations playing it be 2 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 you would half to do some editing of the diplomacy stuff. and allinces would always half to share everything.

which make dipomlacy harder in the game. cuz then tohere races could never be allies cuz in warhammer 40k unvier even if they meet an uneasy truce they would never share resources.

so there half to be a sepeart dipomacy structor for space marinesa nd impearl guard and then a diffrent one for othere races.
as for witch hunters there army would half to be included into both races if you spearted space marines and impearl guard senes they can work with both races and use nits form both armys.

space marine armys also can take command and control impearl guard forces.
so youd half to also allow impearl guard units into space marine faction senes they can command and use them.
space marine chapters are always above and control driectly impearl guard, inquestiors are above both. but can not driectly take over a chapter but can revierl a space marine commander of duty.

start off i would probably just do one army frist, and id proably do an evial army like dark elfs or necrons some easy with not alot of units, that give you time to see how things work how it go to gethere learn little and also give you time to think about dipolmacys and othere issues.

errrrrr tell you what.

download my mod and use that to tweak what you want.

dunno who you talked to at games-workshop but some of that sounds a bit odd i would suggest a look at the website http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/

take a look at the race background info cause i think someone is leading you a bit astray and then butcher me mod for all it's worth - i've done the same twice to it already.

although when i say astray i mean "ah i remember the old days when you got two squads of marines if you was lucky!" GW rips up the cannon every few months tis after all a business that relys on selling nice shiney new models and to a lesser extent new army books etc etc.

well they change stuff pretty often gw but with the army maker thje offical one they put out it is possiable to mix and match armys, and suppoly its torment offical.

my only though on it othere is how dipo works.

(it be silly if space marines invaded impearl world or if impearl guard had to destory the space marines in name of the emp at same time space marines are trying to do it to the impearl guard.) this has to be kept from happening at same time othere races need to be given fair shack at fihgting both factions plus each othere.

im going to go to games day in chicago this saturday so im going to ask them mostly out of cureosity of what they say. about whole space marine and impearl guard race thing.

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i love warhammer 40,000 i mean its awesome game and hobbie. but it gets old playing with same people or presones your whole life.

i always thought best game to mode for warhammer 40,000 would been code name panzer gernerals. the GFXs are great engine wise it also support purchase of units befor game play.
just like in warhammer 40,000 you use points to buy units

so it pretty much is same as warhammer 40,000 except that its ww2.


dawn of war is nice game and all but its no table top.

i actully dont see why they dont make or turn the war hammer 40k game the table top game into a video game.

they could sell basic game for $59 $69 it could come with one standard army of your choise chaos impearl guard so forth, then they could sell each army as like an expasion pack for $40

they could also sell add on stuff for battlefields and so forth patchs they could charge $5 to $10 so if they patch the game core game if you want it to play on line they chrage you $15 if you download patch to your army you bought then its $10 or $15 so forth its all about money but sure it sounds like alot of money but its not consdier that a nice army for the tabletop game would run you $300 or more and then you half to find someone to play.

if they did it above as a video game each time they patch video game and or your booster army it cost you $10 or $15

but like most people i when i finnish an army buying collect painting for the table top game. i dont then go out and buy the same army over agin for there new update units for it. im done onces it ups and going and complted its done im not spending more money on army.

if they did it as a video game they make less on each sale but more then likly keep more money comming in long period of time.

plus it provide people who dont have access to alot of real people who play warhammer abilty to play warhammer.


alot of people tho think if they turn table top game into a video game that table top game would disappear i dont really think this will happen this table top game has turned more and more into a real hobbie then an actull game in many ways.

presonal id rathere always play table top game then a computer game when comes to warahmmer but problem is amount of people who dont really play.


sorry wasnt really rant agsint ur thing or anything.
i just kinda got off on little rant about gamesworkshop in general.

you do get space marine v imperial gaurd toye scenarios

read the soul drinker books :- Soul Drinker, Bleeding Chalice and especially Crimson Tears.

yah but there ethere not really impearl guard or there not really space marines.

there ethere rouge impearl guard or there rouge space marines at which case there really part of chaos.

ethere one side or othere side turned evil.

an inquesitor can call someone or a group a heritic. space marine a commander a whole squad they can even condem a whole world.

theres alot and i mean alot of books where impearl guard have fallen astray and you end up with impearl guard fighting impearl guard or space marines fighting space marines but to use that as a reason to speart impearum and split there forces in half to make them fight each othere is still kinda silly.

but if idea was to make a mod, that was more of a senario where you have impearl guard and space marines fighting for some certain reason then thats fine.

you have things in the establishes cannon such as the rule of "mad" high lord Vandire

or the age of apostacy

where random chunck of the imperium fall out with each other.

Vandire ends up ruling the imperium but the church (spits heavily) is against him and the black templars go against him and the custodian guard even get uppity which always means your gonna lose.

best plan i reckon is as i have said beofre, that if you want to run normally you use a "mod" race and if you want to represent something differentm rouge chapter, revolution, or something to that effect you play as a custom race.

Now back to business. Anyone thinking of uploading an inperial ship pack? eldar ship pack? anyone?

wish i knew how to do in game gfx design

you have things in the establishes cannon such as the rule of "mad" high lord Vandire or the age of apostacy where random chunck of the imperium fall out with each other. Vandire ends up ruling the imperium but the church (spits heavily) is against him and the black templars go against him and the custodian guard even get uppity which always means your gonna lose. best plan i reckon is as i have said beofre, that if you want to run normally you use a "mod" race and if you want to represent something differentm rouge chapter, revolution, or something to that effect you play as a custom race. Now back to business. Anyone thinking of uploading an inperial ship pack? eldar ship pack? anyone?

that actully makes senes, but be really hard to desing i would think, i mean giving options of custom race for custom chapters im still wish could figure out how the tech tree stuff works. there has to be link from the race files to the tech tree to be used.

but that be kinda neat if you could do a rouge faction of any army in the game. space marines, impearl guard, chaos. what ever it is. if this was acomplish and people wanted to play as a sepert space marine chatper on its own rouge ish they could, and u could also then keep the imperum as one whole faction.

I thought id try my hand at making a custom map for the warhammer 40,000 universe i looked in couple rule books but its little questionable.

i tryed the gmaesworkshop web page but couldnt find a desent map.

ialso tryed googling it but couldnt find to many good examples with planet names and detailed lay out.

Diplomacy in 40K ??
Well..you do get the odd IG/Tau ,IG/Chaos etc. from time to time, but there are some pairings that just don't make sense... Tyranid and Necrons for ex.

How about disabling the whole diplomacy-tech tree from translators on and claim that it's an scenario of all-out warfare between ANYONE happening in that area ?

To underline it again: Space Marines are not permanent allies of the Imperial Guard. They take 'requests' from others, and only the mightiest lords of terra might issue an order to the master of a chapter.
If a world MIGHT be infested by chaos - the Space Marines will purge it on their account and hand a note to the imperium afterward.

Furthermore - take a look at these games:
Warhammer 40K -Chaos Gate <- Old but noteworthy game using most of the TT rules
www.battlefield40k.com <- Great modifikation for BF2 coming out soon
Space Hulk <-Cool oldschool shooter.

I still am baffled by the error I'm getting when attaching parts to the model I made. This (and a 1000km move tomorrow + the SUPERB Titan Quest editor)has stopped my moddingeffort so far. Maybe I'll start again next weekend with a new go at it...

The diplomacy thing err yes stumps me as well.

I have toyed with - uneasy peace with squats tau and eldar and permanent state of war with orks and necrons

i set it up as chaos and nids (or worlds controlled by insidious genestealer cults, who now use the dread lord ship hulls making them look nidish) are human empires that would ally to the imperium while keeping thier true loyalties secreat - presumeably you decide to purge them later in the game.

It's not a perfect scenario but it makes game play more practical.

sadly we are never going to get an "exact match" the table top game is set up so everyone fights pretty much everyone else, the demon hunters book even includes explanations on why demon hunters would fight marines or why demon hunters would fight tau and even devotes a brief sentance to why they would fight chaos although if i remember it right it goes something to the tune of, Duh!

the advantage of this game is that you can play it how you want to play it and your brother in the next room can play it in his way and thus every one is happy and kept occu[ied indoors while i get on with uniting humanity and making myself emperor, life imitating art eh?

I think disableing the diploamcy for all races but for impearl guard and space marines be kinda neat.

i asked the guys at games day about it they said that the space marines and the impearl guard are not same race but are part of same army kinda.

spamce marines can hand out orders to impearl guard.

inquiestores are step above space marine chatper but can not issue commands or orders to space marine chapter.

but i was told its fine line.
cuz space marines hwo go to far will be consdier hertiitcs by the imperium of man. and then will be no better then chaos

so how to do dppolmacy is questionable i guess.
example if space marine chapter ones to wipe out blow up exterminuts on a planet they half to get aprovale from the inquestionat or what ever it is. the inquestoers console has to okay it.

and suppoly the inquestion console is supose to be able to request the space marines presences when needed. but inquestoers and inquestion console or what ever it is can take over and directly control the impearl guard.

warhamemr 40,000 dawn of war is fine example of how this works. they even exaplin it in game


id kinda like to help but i dont know crape about program or art like i said only think i could probaly bumble my way thro is map editor.

i kinda got an idea thats possiable

do like i said above where earth and mars and so forth are under speacil control by inquestore and or empore where nethere space marine or impearl guard have control over it.

so make it so that both impearl guard and spac marine are in perment allince with what ever power u put over earth and mars.

no u have a 3 wy kinda and kinda not

impearl guard are linked to space marines via the inquestion and space marines are linked to the impearl guard by the inquestion or emmprore who ever u want the 3rd army power to be.


so u have a none playable race or maybe even plaable race over earth and mars and so forth then u have perman alline from there to impearl guard also to the space marines but space marines and impearl guard are not in a premant allince.


or we could do it whereimpearl guard and space marines are in permeant allince but u know how random events work.

make random events where yets say a random impearl guard world tursn to chaso or a random space marine world turns over to chaso or random even where tryinds over run a impearl guard world when ever that random even happens have the whole world change over owner ship to which ever army random event occred for if its choas the space marine or implear guard world would to to choas control of its necron it be necron control. so forth.

or could even have it be tooken over by a minor race and minor races could be breack off of the major races. example impearl guard world so and so is on brenek of chaos impearl guard and impearl guard are fighting for control aginst each othere and deamons have been spotted then put this world into control of a minor race or something like that.

that way form time to time u would have impearl guard fighting impearl guard and or space marines fighting impearl guard worlds and so forth on time to time. and even tho there premoneat allied. they do there own thing there there own armys and now and then
something bad can happen to them that gives othere races some kind of chance. aginst them


I think this mode be easiet to do once new expasion pack comes out becuase that expasion pack will allow the creation of custom races to fight aginst.

Guys your going too detailed

its a big picture thing, think battle fleet gothic or Eye of terror campaign or something like that.

Not IG not Space marines, not inquititors as individual races just one big imperial race. Perhaps we could make a torpedo weapon that represents space marine boarding attacks and space marine fortress monastery buildings on the planets to give you a better soldier rating.

As for diplomacy you need to control that as an individual playewr in game as the core files are set up to make diplomacy a part of the game, ie a route to victory.

I suggest you take a look at the transformers mod forum and see what they've done there in about a week. They're not hampered with rules literasism which is a common problem in GW type things and ultimately hamperes development.

aslo they are all about 50 years old and all know how to mod which dosen't hurt.

well i said long time go to make spac amrines and impearl guard one army but people seem to not like that idea.

Updated my mod so you stick it in the MOD folder and crack on.

http://library.galciv2.com/index.aspx?m=464

Genestealers look pretty tyranidy

get hive cities when you research terraforming

titan deployment as an invasion tactic when you get shock troops

and virus bombs that should scour a planet dead, though admittedly i havn't tried them yet.

on the off chance it gets apporved you may of course grab it failing that it is currently at the above link.

feel free to comment.

okay looks like the invasion tactics have a slight glitch but i'm working on it.

also working on trying to make a star look like the eye of terror possibly by using some sort of image map.

WWW Link

but anywhose, enjoy

Where can I get your mod? and where do I put it so it runs on the game? I downloaded a ship mod before and put it into the mod folder and nothing happened. When I go to the options screen to select the mods the only choices I have are the default and example ones.

get the mod from the libray

put it in your total gaming/stardock/gciv2/mods folder

not the my docs/games/mods folder

open the game and select it in the options where the default game is

you'll probably have to re-start the game to get it to work after this.

Also i need to sort the invasion tactics cause they didn't take properly

and i'm sticking a stars list in the next version

I might also bung in kryo's hull system mod with a small tweak to allow people to build fortress monasteries.

2nd version nearly ready thanks for the feed backs.

couple of little picture tweaks that may bring a smile tognarled old faces.

if i can just get my "eye of terror" plan to work we'd be laughing

3rd version uploaded and pending approval.

titans work

exterminatus works

new eldar pics

found a space marine chapter and build a fortress monastery

hull system mod included, with the option to build space borne fortress monastery's like the Tower of Angels

Hive cities

and a few cheeky different event pics