Whatta Bunch o Boolshid!

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Long ago I stopped playing the if I am mad at someone, it means you as my friend/brother/sister/wife/husband MUST BE mad at them too.

What is this grade school? Obviously this is another article about little whip, I have always adored her, never cared for Simon at all,
While I will miss whip my world was whole long before I met her and will be whole long after she is gone.

As for Simon, who really cares if he is exiled? I sure do not, I have never bothered reading his stuff except for a couple times and that was out of loyalty to whip, I never commented on his blathering.

I am not here to make real world friends I have those, I am not here to please anyone except myself.

Brad can be a large pain, so what? so Can I.

Was brad wrong exiling Simon? who cares? Brads site, brads rules, you do not like it, leave, no one had nailed you to the caberfloor here.

Will I miss whip, yep, I remember once before when she split, I felt like my muse deserted me, but life went on, I even blogged about missing her, because I did, but life went on.

Sure I could have the instant satisfaction of telling admin to go fuck themselves, but there are consequences if I do, I will be gone and the world will go on.

I have been here for 16 months, the site was here, up and running before I came will be up and running after I leave.

I have never been elevated in status, so what? I have my own status it's called personal status, anything someone gives you is called vested status and can be taken as easy as given, NO ONE can Take my status because it is earned by me and kept by me.

I am old enough to understand people come, people go in my life and life goes on either way.

I refuse to play grade school games, if you think you are my cyberfriend and think I will leave here because YOU DO, get a clue, I won't, I will leave when I am damned good and ready or when brad tires of me. either way life goes on.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Moderateman: There are a lot of people on JoeUser that I like, and there are a handful that I feel a true sense of friendship with.

Little Whip is at the top of that list. My relationship with her involves far more than our interaction here on JU...we have had many, many conversations that JU has not been privy to.

I don't care if it makes people on JU like me less because I've chosen to be supportive of her. She has done the same for me many times over. I have no use for "fair weather friends".

If being willing to "go to battle" for the ones I care about makes me childish or a "portable ass-kisser" then so be it. I can go to sleep at night knowing that I did something good and right and not feel guilty for abandoning a friend.

I don't expect you to take sides in order to get along with me. That is between you and Sabrina. However, I do expect those who call me friend to stay by side through times of trouble, discomfort, and heartache. Those that don't aren't really friends, are they? There's nothing wrong with being an acquaintance. Just be clear that that's all it is.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
There's nothing to battle here for, Tex. No rights have been crushed. No one has been abused. To be honest, knowing Brad and his multiple tones the way I do, he sounded to me as if he would have let EoIC back in eventually, since he was pissy and tired when he banned him. He's let other exiled people in numerous times. The two of them made the point that they'd never be back, though, so it is a moot point.

Little Whip opted to leave. No one made her. EoIC was a casual member here at best, and he didn't spend the kind of time here she did. If she wants to let something she considered important to her go because he lost something that he didn't pay much attention to, well, her loss.

I will say that for people who condsider themselves all rough and tumble, and who laugh at ideals like fairness and 'rights' and whatnot, they seem to have grown a serious dedication to them. EoIC has offered us many lectures on how there's no such thing as rights and how values are just made up and how the strong can do what they like. In light of that, this kind of sulking makes those ideas seem pretty empty, as I pointed out with my 't-shirt' remark on the blog in question.

Siege of Centauri
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
There's nothing to battle here for, Tex.


Perhaps that's not the right word choice.

I don't feel that there is battle (heh, that's why I put it in parentheses), but was trying to convey that when a friend is having problems a true friend will stand by them and help them in any way they can.

I'm not willing to pile on with the "Simon's so bad" sentiment nor I am waiting in line to offer my support of the decision to exile him.

I understand that not everyone who is "friendly" on here is a friend. And I know a lot of people scoff at the idea that you can be friends with someone you met online. Dork that I am, though, I can think of at least 3 bloggers on here that I sincerely consider friends, and I am willing to put action behind that sentiment for them.

More than anything I think what was bothersome to LW (although I doubt Simon cares, lol) was the fact that people who had consistently been supporters and fans of hers quickly did an about-face and began praising Brad for his decision.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm sad that they both left as well...just because I'm old and grumpy and don't like change. Everyone here, the new people, the oldies, the admins, they all have their places in our little "family." It's a family that snarls, laughs, hits, kicks, snorts, smokes, hugs, cries, and loves, but it's a family nonetheless. ~shrugs~ That's the way I see it. We're a family even in that we ebb and flow. New members are born, old members move away or die (although...I don't think we've had a blogger death..have we? Not in the time that I've been here, anyway...lol). It can be happy or sad when our family changes, but its the life of JU.

I really wish I could embrace your attitude, MM...I'd love for this to be all about me, but I can't help myself from caring what everyone else thinks, though. You know?

*sighs* Maybe one day.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Moderate man: There are a lot of people on JoeUser that I like, and there are a handful that I feel a true sense of friendship with.


I like some here too tex, you among them, but like I said really if I die tomorrow, will anyone give it more than a passing thought? here I mean. I have been a fan of whip, but friends nope, I have no real friends here and I have already been through the meeting online friends gig, very seldom are people the same in real life as they are online.

I am not piling on simon btw, If I was it would be plain and simple, you even know me to be shy about how I feel?
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Marcie HelenPosted: Wednesday, March 01, 20


really wish I could embrace your attitude, MM...I'd love for this to be all about me, but I can't help myself from caring what everyone else thinks, though. You know?


all it takes is living with a killing disease to put things in proper perspective Marcie, staring into an open grave kind of shows you what's real and what is not.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
I guess I just wonder what you think you can do to support someone in this situation, Tex. When you say 'stand beside' it sounds like an 'us versus them' situation, and this really isn't one. Like I said, I don't even think EoIC would have stayed exiled long, but they had to toss a fit and make this some issue of principles.

I don't understand why people who consider themselves supporters and friends COULDN'T agree with Brad. To me, it smacks of the very accusation that is being levelled elsewhere. I liked LW, but I think she was a dunce to leave, and I thought Brad did what he wanted to do, and it was neither right nor wrong.

In that light, as someone who liked LW, I dunno what I could do other that what I did. I couldn't denouce Brad, and it seems facetious to think I should have to bite my tongue about EoIC when the evil here seems to be forcing people to bite their tongue.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
(heh, that's why I put it in parentheses)


D'oh. I mean quotation marks.

I have no real friends here and I have already been through the meeting online friends gig, very seldom are people the same in real life as they are online.


I've met someone in real life that I came to know online. That turned out...ummm...interesting.

I am not piling on simon btw, If I was it would be plain and simple, you even know me to be shy about how I feel?


I'm not suggesting that you are, and if you feel I implied that I sincerely apologize.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
#8 by Texas Wahine
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


am not piling on Simon BTW, If I was it would be plain and simple, you even know me to be shy about how I feel?


I'm not suggesting that you are, and if you feel I implied that I sincerely apologize.


K got it, contrary to what I typed I do not just want to go around stepping on toes as I do like the personas I see portrayed here by some.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
#7 by BakerStreet
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


In that light, as someone who liked LW,


I still do, I do not know the real whip but I sure do like her in your face writing and attitude.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

I supported LW because I loved just about everything she wrote.  I felt a kinship with her I have only found on line a few times in as many years.

I never had any conversation with her outside of JU at all, so I can not speak as Tex can speak on a real friend level.

But I don't believe in one sided friendships, even cyber friends.  She is convinced Brad was wrong.  I am not so convinced.  I believe you reap what you sew and Simon sowed some pretty vile, disgusting seeds on JU as far as I'm concerned.

Tex if LW woulda been banned for something I didn't think was justified I can honestly say I'd have followed....but she wasn't banned.  She chose to follow her monster.  None of us are so obliged.  And really besides LW who among us has EoIC endeared himself to such a degree they would stop doing this, something they like, for him?

If you read his blogs..chaos, violence, raping, all of it...how could you ever doubt he would eventually have problems with someone in "cyber authority" over him?

I saw it coming the first time I read him.  Even though I hoped otherwise.

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm not willing to pile on with the "Simon's so bad" sentiment nor I am waiting in line to offer my support of the decision to exile him.

Who is piling on?  At worst I have seen some "he screwed up" comments.  No one is saying Simon is evil or bad.  He got on the wrong side of Brad and that is all I have seen.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

Elie,  Times change.  People do. And some do not.  I think there are some pro LW, and the anti ones are at her own chosing.  She chose to flame others.  Before they flamed her.

it is her choice.  And we must respect that much.  I have yet to read an apriori LW flame.  Just  post ones.

her choice, her rules, her life.  Notice the common denominator. 

She chose.

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Little Whip is at the top of that list. My relationship with her involves far more than our interaction here on JU...we have had many, many conversations that JU has not been privy to. Texas Wahine

Boy, would I like to have been a fly on the wall during those conversations.


More than anything I think what was bothersome to LW (although I doubt Simon cares, lol) was the fact that people who had consistently been supporters and fans of hers quickly did an about-face and began praising Brad for his decision. - Texas Wahine

Hmm. Some roll easy.

I like some here too tex, you among them, but like I said really if I die tomorrow, will anyone give it more than a passing thought? here I mean. I have been a fan of whip, but friends nope, I have no real friends here and I have already been through the meeting online friends gig, very seldom are people the same in real life as they are online. - ModerateMan

I have no real friends here? How many 'real' friends have you met in the world? Can you count them on two hands, one, or a single upraised middle finger? Some people you'll miss, others you remember. Everyone touches to some degree. The input and interaction here, regardless of it's source, is invaluable and connections have been made. One can go further down the path of nihlistic pontification and ask "what's it all for in the end as I can't see what will matter after" but I encourage you to discard that path - like, um, immediately.

: - )
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

Everyone touches to some degree. The input and interaction here, regardless of it's source, is invaluable and connections have been made. One can go further down the path of nihlistic pontification and ask "what's it all for in the end as I can't see what will matter after" but I encourage you to discard that path - like, um, immediately.

Thank you for the wisdom and insightfulness,  it was needed.

 

 

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DeferencePosted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006Little Whip is at the top of that list. My relationship with her involves far more than our interaction here on JU...we have h


have no real friends here and I have already been through the meeting online friends gig, very seldom are people the same in real life as they are online. - ModerateManI have no real friends here? How many 'real' friends have you met in the world? Can you count them on two hands, one, or a single upraised middle finger?


I am blessed to have 4 real friends that to me is wealth beyond imagination.

Do you think you have real, as in will fly to your side in times of trouble? are there for you through thick and thin here on joeuser? If you do think so you really need to get out more.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: Trudygolightly
Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006


Everyone touches to some degree. The input and interaction here, regardless of it's source, is invaluable and connections have been made. One can go further down the path of nihlistic pontification and ask "what's it all for in the end as I can't see what will matter after" but I encourage you to discard that path - like, um, immediately.


Thank you for the wisdom and insightfulness, it was needed.

Sometimes it is better to slap a hand than to hold it.

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: TrudygolightlyPosted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006Everyone touches to some degree. The input and interaction here, regardless of it's source, is invaluable and connections have been made. One can go further down the path of nihlistic pontification and ask "what's it all for in the end as I can't see what will matter after" but I encourage you to discard that path - like, um, immediately.Thank you for the wisdom and insightfulness, it was needed.


sure I am touched by some here trudy, but friends? I think not. Maybe my definition of friedns is different than yours or deferences.

There are some personas here I am drawn to, tex ,dharma, forever serenity, the 2 docs a few more, but I do not fool myself into thinkng we are friends not in my sense of the word friendship.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006Elie, Times change. People do. And some do not. I think there are some pro LW, and the anti ones are at her own chosing. She chose to flame others. Before they flamed her.it is her choice. And we must respect that much. I have yet to read an apriori LW flame. Just post ones.her choice, her rules, her life. Notice the common denominator. She chose.


I know she chose, I do not have to like her choice do I/? just respect it.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

I know she chose, I do not have to like her choice do I/? just respect it.

That you did and that she did.  I understand your respect, and admire it.  We often dont like choices made of those we respect and love.  But we do have to respect them once they are beyond our means to influence.

Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Not to be a doof, but I still don't understand what agreeing with Brad has to do with not standing beside Little Whip. I mean, if you think what Brad did was wrong, sure, but what if you don't?

How is supporting Brad's decision equate to doing an "about face" in terms of Little Whip? Unless we are of course required to agree with her, or at least not openly differ.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Maybe my definition of friedns is different than yours or deferences. - Moderateman

My DEFinition of friends is changing, and those I thought friends and those I thought non-friends are allways in flux to their varying degrees of support. So I've thrown away the old definition that you may be ascribing to at this moment

Do you think you have real, as in will fly to your side in times of trouble? - Moderateman

There are friends that you have that are not allies. I promise.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
22 by Deference
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


There are friends that you have that are not allies. I promise.


MM hits the "wrong buzzer" eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!


My friends are my greataest allies def, we agree, we disagree but when push comes to shove we are ALWAYS THERE FOR EACH OTHER first and formost we are friends.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
#21 by BakerStreet
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


Not to be a doof, but I still don't understand what agreeing with Brad has to do with not standing beside Little Whip. I mean, if you think what Brad did was wrong, sure, but what if you don't?


you are not a doof, baker, I do not understand either, I learned eaarly here do not piss off brad, simple huh? you come to visit me in my home and you are playing by my rules, MY rules include no smoking in the house, no dope use, no drinking booze, you break one of those rules you are gone, that fast.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
For deference, I am 59 years old and have knocked aaround a bit, I know what friends are "TO ME" I will not argue what friends are to YOU, please show me the same respect.,