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lol, when Ward Churchill calls the people in the World Trade Center "little eichmanns" and blames their economic activities for the 9/11 attack, people go ballistic. When an evangelical preacher blames the same thing on homosexual sympathizers and our national values, a lot of those same people nod approvingly. It boggles the mind. You know, terrorists say the same thing. They say that because of our wickedness God will throw us down and deliver us into the hands of our enemies. It

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Um, no, it doesn't look different at all. God is still there mocking our calamity and laughing at our dread. Basically behaving as unChristian as possible. Sure, there's a pouty excuse for it, but we're told that pouty excuses don't excuse turning our back on those we can help. You aren't giving me the counsel of God, you're giving me antique mythologies, pseudo-religious nonsense that people used to blame each other for tragedy, or to excuse their genocide. You're just making a cas

Reply to A Dose of Common Sense in Religion JoeUser Forums

"Well it is all or nothing. You can't "partially" believe in God Baker." No, you've both professed that the Bible is the literal truth or it is totally bogus. Since he can't believe some of it, he can't believe any of it. So, because of your system, he rejects God entirely. Thinking about it, it solves a lot of problems for you, with all those decent people burning in hell for eternity. There has to be some technicality to keep the decent, yet annoyi

Reply to America Needs a DICTATOR in Humor JoeUser Forums

The Moderateman Empire would neither be Moderate, nor an Empire...

Reply to Has God Abandoned America? in Religion JoeUser Forums

"Of course you didn't answer this either. " Yes, I did, back in reply 21. I pointed out that you have a double standard, saying that God can turn his back on a nation, and yet not turn His back on every daughter that really repents. If God is only turning His back on the unrepentant sinners, then why is this "nation" stuff even at issue. Because, as you admit above, you believe that God withholds his aid and the repentant daughters get it, too

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I ignored it because you took my point out of context. What I said was: "P.S. You have read enough of the early church documents to know that this stuff has been said in EVERY era. " And that's the truth. Go back and look at what was said about God abandoning the world in the late Roman empire, the dark ages during the plague, the renaissance, the reformation, the age of enlightenment, the civil war, WW2, the Cold War, blah, blah blah...

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From the transcript: To the sons of Israel, God said in Judges 10, "You have forsaken me and served other gods, therefore I will deliver you no more. Go and cry out to the gods which you have chosen, let them deliver you in the time of your distress." God is saying I’m done with you. In Proverbs chapter 1 verses 24 to 31 we find a similar sentiment. "Because I called and you refused, I stretc

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Reply to Has God Abandoned America? in Religion JoeUser Forums

P.S. I'm not infatuated with Phelps, I'm sick of Christians who pretend they are better than Phelps and hide the fact that they agree with a large part of what he believes. Like now, when you refuse to address whether 9/11, or Katrina, etc., was the wrath of God or not, when the SERMON YOU ARE CITING says so. You don't want to talk about that, but you are talking about God turning His back on America for its sins. That entails more than just leaving us to our sins. The other aspects

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"Maybe you heard another one? I do know he had a sermon on the 9/11 happening but that was way back. This sermon I'm aluding to was this past month. I'm thinking you're bringing something else here into the mix. Let's stick to the blog material for now so we don't go all over the place." I linked the sermon above. It's the one you are talking about. Point by point, verse by verse. If he offers transcripts for the deaf, we can link quotes if you like.

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Wait, pray for the nation? If you believe that God has abandoned our nation, and if you believe what MacArthur quotes out of the Bible, would God even hear such a prayer? If he hears your prayer and not the prayers of the sinners, then he hasn't turned His back on the "nation", has he?

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"but you're pulling something out of a listing not what the main article was about. I wasn't expounding on this particular wrath of God, but of another." Then you don't believe that MacArthur is right when he says that 9/11 was the wrath of God? What about that glowing commendation in the first paragraph of your blog? You can't bare to admit this out loud can you, even though you keep coming back to it over and over and eluding to it. Did you

Reply to A Dose of Common Sense in Religion JoeUser Forums

You see how your all-or-nothing ideas create more atheists than Christians, KFC? After all, you believe in the reject-it-all or accept-it-all nonsense, too, don't you? Do you think people are better off not believing in God at all than anything in between? Would someone who believes in no God at all be more receptive to your message, do you think?

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What do you suggest we do about homosexuality, KFC? You tell me, what should I do about it so God will stop all the plagues and hurricanes and volcanoes and such? Do we kill them? Outlaw homosexuality? Maybe have tribunals for people who are accused of such and burn them at the stake? You talk a lot, but you don't really reveal much about what we should do. Could it be because you don't want to say it out loud?

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"I'm saying that because we have REJECTED God first he gave us UP to a depraved mind and as a result we will do things not proper, not reasonable and out of this mind comes all sorts of things like murder, anger, strife, malice and slander, etc...sounds like the nightly news doesn't it? " Sugarcoat it how you like, but it is up there in the blog. You conveniently paraphrase what MacArthur actually says concerning Cataclys

Reply to America Needs a DICTATOR in Humor JoeUser Forums

"I'm willing to be emperor. My gulags will be run efficiently." It's like prayer in school, some people love the idea until next year when the teacher is a Hindu. Notice above that what follows immediately after ending the bickering is the adoption of writer's stance. I wonder how well dictatorship would go over if we were all tossing Heils to Hillary. The socialist left secretly loves a dictator just as much as the supposedly democratic righ

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I really don't understand your perspective, Lula. Our government accepts homosexuality. Our votes have ZERO chance of changing that, because we have no candidates to vote for that will ever do anything about it. BUT... according to KFC, because of the acts of our government, God removes his hedge of protection from us, "abandons" us, and we suffer. Yet... You sit here and claim that it is WRONG to oppose the government. So it is wrong to oppose the people who are ca

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"I think He would and does...I think God owns us and owns all authority over government. I say this based on Christ' own declaration while in the presence of Pilate that all authority comes from God. St.Jn. 19:11; Prov. 8:15-16; Wis. 6:3." Um, yeah. God orders us to be subject in the passages you quote, and then God removes his "hedge" when the policies of the nation go against His will. You didn't answer my questions, though. If I am a citi

Reply to America Needs a DICTATOR in Humor JoeUser Forums

lol... this is where blatant paranoia always ends, left, right, wherever...

Reply to Has God Abandoned America? in Religion JoeUser Forums

WHo did Jesus come to save? He was condemned for associating with harlots, the unclean; those that the religious of the time refused to accept. "Nation" is Ceasar's junk. Render it unto him, I don't think God would really lean much of his policies on political borders. After the Soviet Union disbanded, for instance, did God's policies toward Eastern Europe have to be revised? lol. How does NAFTA or the EU effect God's judgement? Does he judge the British on the level of Britain, or

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This is one of the reasons I can’t accept it, either you take the whole thing, or none of it. Why? Imagine what would be lost if we dealt with philosophy ( like... Epicurus ) that way. The Bible is a witness. Ten witnesses will always offer ten different stories; slightly or harshly different. What makes them useful isn't just the character of accuracy they share, but how reality filters through the cultural and intellectual awareness of the witness.

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This is me, resisting the urge to tear into Lula's mythologies. All hail my self control!!

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Oop, I found a reference to Philo using this as well. He was a Hellenized Jew known for a synthesis of Greek and Judaistic philosophy. If I had to point to the real source of this version of Epicurus, that'd be my guess. EDIT :Bleh, nm, that's also Philo via Hume. He fictionalized a discussion using Philo. I think all you really need for this is Hume. I have a headache. I'll try and find the original work the paradox is based

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"Lulap according to this internet site it does exist" OMG, lol, quote sites are not worthy references. They are just dumps for spurious crap half the time. The snippet above is from David Hume, borrowed from Lactantius, an early Christian theologian. Chapter 13 of On the Anger of God . If anyone has anything before that, I'm not aware of it. I doubt seriously that Epicurus framed his logi

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"And only an overinflated ego like your own could continually mistake derision for flattery. Every time you open your mouth you prove once again what a freakin' narcissist you are." To quote the bard: Love me or hate me, its still an obsession. ...or was that Lady Sovereign... Oh well, Shakespeare prolly said it first.