Discouraged. Is our community as we know it coming to an end?

A large percentage of you who read this are already WinCustomize premium subscribers. You've already done your part to help this site keep going.

But I must say, things are grim this holiday season here. 2 expensive servers are down. We must get 2 new servers in here. We need to get another 2 servers on top of that for redundancy but that can wait a bit. But it's depressing knowing that millions visit this site each month and we've only gotten 156 new subscribers since the subscription drive began. It definitely makes a strong case that perhaps the days of free skins are over. That the skin authors and web masters, who pull their weight, should move towards a more commercial model that benefits primarily those who contribute (skinners, subscribers, and developers). 

My friend Scott (Jark) has much the same problems over at deviantART: http://news.deviantart.com/article/12039/

That is, the problem of having massive MASSIVE traffic but only a tiny fraction of those users paying the bill. Many people think, incorrectly, that massive traffic == money. It doesn't.

I can tell you, those of you who have purchased premium subscriptions here have helped the community in ways that the average user can't possibly fathom.  Premium subscribers combined with the volunteer efforts of this site's administrators (Jafo, Boxxi, DavidK, Treetog, Alexandrie, Kaosati, MikeB, Hippy, and others) are what keep things going.

Without the premium subscriptions, I can tell you right now what would happen.  This site would slowly morph into being a purely Stardock oriented site with bandwidth caps for all users (including Object Desktop users - though theirs would be higher). Support for non-Stardock sections would slowly disappear or be restricted to subscribers only.  The wallpaper section would only be available to those who either have a wallpaper on there that got accepted or subscribers (in all these exaples, anyone with apprentice access or higher would be treated as a subscriber).

There would be banner ads, and things would become vastly more commercial. Instead of a free Christmas suite, it would be a $8 Christmas suite. Instead of free skins, a new system would b eput in place to allow authors to sell their skins as part of te library once they had achieved a certain access level. One-click purchasing by users with the skin authors getting a percent.

That is the commercialized future of skinning. The alternative. It's not necessarily dark and evil. But it is a much different world than what we have now. I suspect many skin authors out there would jump at the chance of being able to get paid for their skins.

I've posted for years that our community is made up of 3 co-equal groups: The skinners, the web masters, and the users.  We webmasters are doing everythign we can.  The skinners have done their part.  The users have to do their part as a collective.  Which means of the 75,000 unique visitors this site gets each day, 500 more of them need to contribute back too.  As the alternative to voluntarily helping will be paying bits and pieces here and there for skins and themes.  The alternative is a smaller community, a more commercialized community but a sustainable one too.

Personally, I hope some balance can be found. While some people think we represent the commercialization of skinning, in reality, we don't. We simply want...must find a sustainable model that allows our community to grow.  We have all seen the instability Deskmod, Skinz.org, and even Customize.org have faced.  The site has grown beyond what Stardock can pay for via Object Desktop sales.  While Stardock's revenue has grown, the traffic to this site has DOUBLED this year.

Like I said, a large percentage of you have already done your part. There's nothing more you can do.  But hopefully, the millions of people who come to this site will have some infintesible number of them that recognize that someone has to pay for all this stuff. 

The end of the year may end up being the end of this site as we know it. Those new machines will be purchased one way or the other. But if Stardock ends up having to pay for any of those two new machines, it's going to come with strings attached. Ones that will certainly benefit subscribers but the casual users of the world will probably not like.

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Damn this doesn't sound good...my subscription ends in '05 and I was gonna add two more years in the near feature. Where can we donate?
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500 more of them need to contribute back too.


Good Luck. I will do my part eventually but 500 more? Wow thats alot.
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I for one do not think it unreasonable to at least ask for a small amount for non-subscribers...let's say $5.00 to be able to download skins. So far I have purchased ObjectDesktop and became a level 4 subscriber, and even now with all my own money problems I am trying to think of how I can help out. I get alot of enjoyment out of all the hard work others put into these skins and asking for a small amount of money is not asking alot. The alternative is looking at a drab looking screen...perish the thought! Even asking for a simple $1.00 for each person "using" this site would generate a substantial amount of operating revenue. A small price to pay for alot of enjoyment. JMHO
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... I'm due in August, but I'll try to subscribe now. I have an old computer to sell anyway.
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I've tried and tried but when I go to Returning Customer Login...It's Login Failed everytime
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One thing I want to stress: If you've already purchased a subscription, you've done your part. A tiny number of people shouldn't be carrying the entire load of 2 million users. Especially when of the 75,000 or so daily visitors have 33% of which visit the site several times per day.

We *should* have 25,000 subscribers easy. So please don't buy extra subscriptions. Things need to happen on their natural course.

Subscribers will win out no matter what happens.  So will skin authors. It's those who don't subscribe that have the most to lose.

What we face is a classic "Tragedy of the Commons" scenario.

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could it be the ♥ in my nick?
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More than likely.
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nope..not sure why, but it's not the ♥
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Did I give you guys a stolen cc once?
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How about the way they do things at WebShots.com? Depending on how you subscribe determines what and how much you can download.
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It speaks volumes when you look at the number of newly registered members and then look at the number of people who visit each day and do not register/subscribe....

I think that possibly another possible solution could help a bit. It would be two fold though and those Skinning and such would have to opt into it...

Site Specific Submission: an area of Skins which only can be downloaded from this site which only Apprentice and abvoe can access and download from.

Stricter control of registering email address: No Web Mail accounts accepted and only validated ISP Email address or personal Domain Address accepted to control multi-accounts for the leeches who expect everything free.
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No Web Mail accounts accepted and only validated ISP Email address or personal Domain Address accepted to control multi-accounts for the leeches who expect everything free.


What about users who switch from ISP to another which in effect changes their official ISP e-mail address? Wouldn't it be a hassle to have to change the e-mail address on here and make sure site access works fine with the change?



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nope, you can update through WinCustomize Browser and SDC which ever you use
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Can't that be done by simply updating the account info? Then the previous email address could be rendered invalid for use on the site. I'm sure something like that could be made possible.
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So we don't cut the legs out from under the sales dept by charging admission...how about $10 a pop for 50 MB of skins and proggies?



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TechCat : I have changed my e-mail adress a few days ago because of an ISP switch, no prob.

Other than that these news are not good at all... I renewed my OD subscription before it was time to, hope that helps a bit...



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I'am going to do the same c242 and also pick up ODNet for Diane my wife..
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ok 2 points ...one. nothing is for free kids so break out your wallets and do ur fair share. two $20 isnt but the cost a movie with popcorn and a drink. this fun lasts longer and is always changing..u cant get this kind of fun for under $20..unless u want to put up with downed sites and changing owners or sum other BS.. three. to the devs is purchaseing a object desktop subscription give u the same amount of $? or should i buy a subscription here as well? id rather pay a few extra bucks and keep the site the way it is ..just say the word. many of us appreciate the hard work u guys put in
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ok 2 points ...one. nothing is for free kids so break out your wallets and do ur fair share.


some of us have no credit cards.
no printers.

myself, I have no money. I eill have to wait until mid january.
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everybody will hate me for this, but before completely changing the site I think a single adbanner at the top of all pages would more then cover the cost. I hate ads, but I'd rather see an ad then this site go into disfunction ... well more disfunction
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But Kona your attempting to provide icons for others...

there is a difference...
no not everyone has money, really at xmas time things get tighter in an already tight economy for most...

no one can or should hold that against them, but there are plenty of people who do have money to blow that do and then claim poor when it comes to subscribing