Windows blinds + Explorer Patcher = working for Windows 11

Puoi spiegarlo in passaggi piu semplici grazie

1. install https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

 (It can be found on the link "Download the latest version of the setup program." on that page)

2. After install is complete right click on the task bar and select "properties"

3.  under properties select "file explorer" and checkmark " disable the windows command bar"

4. in the properties click "restart explorer"

5. Run Windowblinds 10 as normal

Interesting... -However I will wait for Neils take on how skinning Win 11 is best achieved  

Quoting neone6, reply 3

Interesting... -However I will wait for Neils take on how skinning Win 11 is best achieved  

I would like to see what he has in mind for the windows 11 era of skins myself. This method more or less allows the use of windows 10 era skins on windows 11. This should not be confused with skins made specifically for windows 11.

I am hoping for an update on this in the future. The one thing I do know is Windows 11 has a high demand for modifications

PhoenixRising1

Great work, i followed your lead and did manage to get a working WB10 on my Win 11 Enterprise latest build. I too had the same issue with the Borders but to have gotten this far when no one else has is a big plus for many, i am sure, tried several of my older masterskins designed for older operating systems and they work well too (all had the border issue)

Good for you getting this far.

I too really hope older skins work in any new WB11 as so much work by our skinners should not go to waste, seeing as i have a large catalogue of Masterskins, i would be gutted if they did not ,not to mention the cost.

Fenice Rising1 

Grazie di cuore ho risolto il problema adesso funziona tutto .

Any bug raport on Windows 11 and WB10 ?

yes. The biggest one is that there is a transparency issue that can not be fixed. Other bugs are that windowblinds 10 can not skin windows 11 taskbar or explorer and windows 10's must be used instead. There are also a few other issue's like miscellaneous buttons are not aligning due to changes between Windows 10 and Windows 11.

Basically, all that can be achieved is Windows 10 skin can be patched onto Windows 11 with a few tricks. One exemption is transparency because Microsoft changed the way transparency works on Windows 11. If you have windowblinds 10 it may be worth a try, but it is not worth buying over if you do not already own a copy... It is more a distraction while we wait for windowblinds 11

Waiting for WB11 must be too much to ask.  

Too much work for a crippled OS.  I just left Windows 11 after fighting over this because someone at Redmon thought that removing the 3D Audio selector from the right click sound volume was a NEAT IDEA and replacing it with 4 clicks of a mouse and browsing into obscure control panel options.

The rest of the OS is about the same, everything is burried under MORE MOUSE CLICKS.  Up to a point my Windows 11 was looking exactly as Windows 10 with ExplorerPatch and with added latency, because Windows 11 in itself IS SLOWER than Windows 10 (and consumes more resources).

I went back to Windows 10 and I have everything that I could hope for.  Why would someone want to suffer through that Alpha stage OS is beyond me.

Alex,

It is true that Windows 11 feels unfinished. I actually adopted explorerpatcher early because windows 11 taskbar was driving me crazy. I have since went with start 11's taskbar. I am running that on Windows 11's Beta so I have double beta going there.

We really are at a point that windows big update just needs to be released already. It is slowing down progress. Start 11 has to deal with constant changes and windowblinds 11 keeps getting pushed back. All because Microsoft is basically reinventing the wheel on a weekly basis.

Windows 11 will likely have one more bumpy month which means we can expect delays with third party software who are at Microsofts Mercy. Hopefully, once Windows 11's big update is released we will finally see some progress on all fronts.

Windows 11 has another layer of "visual style"  on top of Windows 10 visual style, that is the main reason why it's slower.  Instead of using a new DWM style from the ground up, they just added a new style on top of the previous one.

They keep insisting on adding more and more stuff on top of old stuff and removing basic functionality that was already there to begin with.

I've worked in technology my whole life, what MS is doing with Windows 11 is disgraceful. They should had stick with the Windows 10 model... I guess it was too much to ask.

I am currently running Windows 10 2021 LTSC and I cannot be more happy.  It is snappier, uses less CPU, a lot less memory and games seems to be running more fluid.  Windows 11 is a beta OS, heavier, slower and less useful than Windows 10.  There is no other way to put this. 

Also, it is the first time in my whole life that an OS forces me to purchase a third-party software to improve the start menu.  I've always adapted to what MS threw at me and the new start is worse than even Windows ME.

Start11 already is 100 times better than the new Start Menu, there is just NO EXCUSE to launch a product like this.

We can't even move and stick a freaking shortcut from the desktop down to the taskbar!!!.  This was possible since forever!!

I can not agree

my windows 11 runs great ( with ryzen 7 and rx 6600 xt 8 gb ram and 32 gb memory and 100 mbit internet connection , atmos audio and all hard drives SSD and Monitor 4k 144 hz and VR set)

all installed  Software works, all installed games works , no crashs or problems ,   windows 11 22000.556

the only windows customizing tool is curently  startallback

As it could also work great on Windows 10.  I am not complaining about system unstable but if you do a round of benchmarks you'll see it's a little slower.

Startallback is great but 0 customization.  What you have is very similar to just having Windows 10 without Startallback, minus all the stupid unnecessary things Microsoft added.

Try switching from ATMOS to No Spacial audio with just 1 click of a mouse like you did on Windows 10, I dare you.  Try access AMD control panel settings with 2 clicks like you did on Windows 10.  All those clicks will start adding once you've go past 8 months of using it.  You'll get tired.

I was on Windows 11 since the first betas.

I agree, there is something to be said if you are just turning Windows 11 back into Windows 10; then why not just go back to Windows 10. I think a lot of my earlier experiments with Windowblinds 10 was to mark progress and see where things were at. StartAllBack does in fact roll back windows 11 to windows 10 with the taskbar and the ribbon menu. This is why I have moved away from similar programs such as explorerpatcher and migrated over to start 11. At least it keeps a Windows 11 look. Of course everything is very much at a beta state so no doubt there will be at least a couple more months of headaches.

However you are correct that this should not have to be the case, Windows 11 should not have a terrible start menu and taskbar to begin with. Fortunately, start 11 is a very good product and it keeps me on Windows 11 in spite of these flaws.

As far as bench Marks, Windows 11 will speed up in most cases if you get under the hood and start turning off the many unnecessary features that are on by default. In regards to games, benchmark results go all over the place. Some games do in fact run faster on Windows 10, but others actually run faster on Windows 11. Certainly this is not what Microsoft wanted but for me it appears to be about a draw.

with a good pc equipment the benchmark argument is nonsense, startallback changes taskbar appearance and function, startmenu,  appearance and function, explorer appearance and function and more like openshell or start 11

Adding to what you've said,  right now I'm using Start11 with Windows 11 start menu on Windows 10 2021 LTSC.

I'm having less latency, quicker and snappier windows, non of the BS extra clicks and a very VERY similar system than Windows 11.

The kernel and background processes on Windows 10 is less taxing and Start11 is the real useful  Windows 11 start menu alternative.

If you go as far as using tools to "get your Windows 10 experience back"  that's prove enough that MS has failed.

My brother is an A.I. programmer for videogames, the last game he participated was Mass Effect Legendary Edition for EA (yes, he helped develop that remake) and he is furious with Windows 11.

For him almost every aspect of the new Windows 11 seems to be designed by a moron.  The extra clicks may not seem like much for a normal person, but for someone who needs to excel at productivity, those extra clicks and dumb decisions regarding basic tools and way of interacting with your desktop are way to much to handle.

He also went back to Windows 10.   Windows 11 was designed to mimic Apple and did a poor job at it.  I'm afraid Windows 10 is the last OS that was useful and coherent.

I have a Ryzen 9 3950X @ 4Ghz with 128GB Corsair Dominator, an RTX 3080 and a RAID0 of  PCIe4 M2 drives topping 10Gb/s

I can feel the interface more sluggish and I can also do timing on the time it takes to open/close windows,  you can also use any tool to time this.  

Windows 11 is slower, by miliseconds but when you deal with several windows at a time you start to feel it.  I've worked in technology my whole life.  Maybe it's OK for you that the whole interface is miliseconds slower because you get those new fancy rounded menus on top of the old menues but the reality is:   Windows 11 has 3 styles on top of each other:

• The remains of Windows 7 control panel
• The remains of UI elements from Windows 8
• The remains of Windows 10 control panel
• The remains of Windows 10 menues restyled with Windows 11

All of this things adds latency and can be meassured.  For the averange citizen, all is good because we have fancy, for me it isn't.

And if you go your mile and install Windows 8 (Which is not usable anymore) you'll see it's even snappier than Windows 10.

Technology should evolve for the good,  this is not the case.  We have more powerful equipment yet the increase in latency is noticeable with extremely good hardware.

I know the average human would not do these test but if you take the time to install both OS on the same PC and do side-by-side comparison you will start noticing too.

Most people install the new OS and get into awe because of the shiny aspects and forgets that there is more latency but if you spend enough time on Windows 11 and then get back to 10 you'll feel it right away.

I too have used Windows 11 Enterprise since before it launched last year and have not had any crashes, have not encountered any bugs that stopped me doing my job, ran my own forum with it,  my Passion for encoding X265 and indeed use it for Beta testing Updated Window 10 themes.

I am very careful to set it up correctly to deny MS my Data, my PC is not top of the line, but it is Bespoke to me and my needs with loads of Ram, Processing Power and around 30TB of Storage for my collections, to me Win 11 is a tool in a box, and for me as a Power user spending around a min of 12 hours a day every day, i have found my 4 SSD multi booting System with two SSDs with Win 10 on and two SSDs with Win11 on serve my needs with no issues at all, in fact the Win 11 SSDs are used much more often than the Win10 SSDs (only boot into The Win 10 SSDs to update Windows and other often used Programs keeping everything spick and span).

I get that Win 11 divides people, but i can not replicate the issues you mention, but all our specs are not the same so as each users PC can vary massively, this does not surprise me.

I use and like Win 11 Daily, so can not share how you feel about it.

First off, Mass Effect is a very good series.

I actually really do like Windows 11 and it pains me to say I have to agree with you. Windows 11 can be great, BUT when it comes to productivity it fails by itself. That is honestly why I use stardock software, to make Windows 11 into what I need it to be. The biggest area where Windows 11 is failing is by making it so hard for any third party software company to develop for it. Windows 11 makes too many changes by too many different developers (i.e. The DEV channel). That makes it an unpredictable nightmare especially for a developer that may implement a program such as windowblinds 11 or even start 11.

There are known stuttering issue when using a ryzen cpu on Windows 11. It has something to do with how it works with the TPM chip. I do not believe this issue has been fixed yet

i can't imagine that for an a.i programmer the latency of windows 11 is important he is working on the program code for artificial intelligence, as i am a programmer myself i know that it depends on knowledge, handling and good thinking.

maybe in argentina the power is not stable and therefore there are fluctuations in the latency. LOL

That is the case.  I've disabled the fTPM on the Ryzen before installing Windows 10 2021 LTSC