Minor things that adds up to frustration,  not being able to move icons from desktop to shortcut, not being able to order the menues on the Windows 11 start menu, not being able to handle app shortcuts properly are one of the few. Sure you can install Start11 for that but then you're better off using Windows 10.

Besides, he started having issues with the BIOS on the PC complaining about Secure Boot errors,  never happened on Windows 10.  I could go on.   Windows 11 is not a stable enough OS for serious work.   Feel free to use it if you like but don't think for a second that because it's fine by you it will be fine by everybody else.

Here it is, my brand new Windows 11

Just kidding, my Windows 10 2021 LTSC

Adding the store back by  winreset -i and then using Start11,  Windows 11 without the BS.

Bulid 22000 is more like alpha not final os. Maybe build 23000 will be ok.

actual version works great

I have used Win11 Enterprise since before it's launch, using it for Serious work ie.. my Online Job, 8 hours per night, and around 4 hours a day as Administrator for my own site, that IS serious work, so obviously it works well for me too, no bugs, glitches or crashes, No TPM Module issues either.

I had no choice but to adopt Win11 from day one as i need to offer support on this OS for my Job, at first i thought , here we go a new OS, (i can always roll back to Win 10 if needed hey) that i may have to install it on one of my spare laptops as i may be buggy. I was wrong, it worked fine for me, my biggest concern was WB 10 did not work on Win11, then i got together with Phoenix from the forum and used Explorer patcher, testing it extensively, and besides the small transparency issue , that was fine too. Now i run a 4 SSD multi booting system with Win 10 and 11, and was really surprised to find i preferred Win 11 using Tron Legacy Theme and then became a Bet Tester for themes updated to work in Win11, this OS does divide peeps, but as i now have all SSDs with both OSs and find that one of my Win11 SSDs is now my most used Drive, only boot into the others to update them by both MS and Programs i use daily.

Naroon1,

I myself enjoy being a Beta tester on multiple fronts. I think by being a Beta tester you do in fact help shape the landscape a bit by reporting problems and adding suggestions. We are the same in regards to not being afraid to try new tech while trying to figure out the best route. I think Windows 11 and Windowblinds will be great, and that is in part by our feedback. The next month will be a month for the beta testers mostly.

For the people that want a stable operating system and don't really have time to experiment or tinker with their pc, then I can see Windows 10 will still being a viable option. Windows 11 is in for some changes, Windows 11's big update is in the process of Beta testing as is start 11 and soon too be new software such as Windowblinds 11. That is a lot of Beta testing to get though. Great for people that like to tinker with their pc and leave feedback but a huge headache for more the casual users.

first of all some things I see similar to you but what is the nonsense that windows 11 is a beta version.
windows 11 is since the official release a full operating system that works, that it does not work 100 percent with the many hardware or software that the millions of users use is clear there is no software that works flawlessly what you can see every day in the forum.
for 95 percent of users it works only not for users of programs that deeply intervene in the system or change the user interface and with incompatible hardware, this software uses but only a minority of windows customers and the hardware requirements must be met

What I mean about beta can be seen easily if you look at the changes coming down the pipeline if you try Windows 11 Beta chanel for windows insiders. The next update changes a lot. The taskbar behavior is changing a lot to incorporate a tablet mode of sorts. Case and point is that the new task bar features are causing a lot of problems for third party software such as Start 11. These features will soon enter Windows 11 full release. If Windows 11 is breaking stuff that is commonly used on a pc via the beta Channel it becomes hard to argue that Windows 11 is not in a beta state.

Things that are not breaking such as startallback are not actually even windows 11 features. This is because it preforms a hack into your pc's system registry and tricks windows 11 into thinking it is actually Windows 10 and therefore preforms a fix to put in Windows 10's Taskbar into your system. But anything that actually hooks into Windows 11 software is being affected by windows 11's changes.

I disagree you are talking about the beta in the pipeline this has nothing to do with the current windows 11 version. these changes taskbar icons and so on are in the works or test this is for the next major update the official version is not a beta. every program is changed or bug fixed not just operating systems regardless of whether that bothers users or developers of other programs. this has nothing to do with windowblinds 11 or startallback and the way they intervene or not in the system

Certainly that argument can be made. But the degree of which the taskbar is being changed, it could also be argued that the Windows 11 taskbar was released half baked and should have finished cooking to begin with. For example the drag and drop feature probably should have been in the taskbar since release but did not. That leads me to believe the development of Windows 11 was rushed and the original beta state didn't last long as it really should have and, I might add, this was due largely because of the upcoming holiday season. I guess it depends on the point of view you want to take and whether or not you truly believe that the Windows 11 taskbar was finished as intended on release day.

No its not. Windows 11 22000 lost a lot function and only build 22570+ has restored some of them.

what is this we are not talking about unlaid eggs insider versions are not the issue most users use the release version

and it works very well, graphics, sound, music, 3d, cad and so on work well 4k,dolby atmos, virtual reality, works very well 139 games with or without virtual reality works, programming languages work the only thing that does not work is windowblinds and curtains

I do not work with the windows interface, about the design or functionality of which one can be of different opinion that the changes are not good for making skins I also know that I have also already created skins

I do not work with the windows interface, about the design or functionality of which one can be of different opinion that the changes are not good for making skins I also know that I have also already created skins

I'm sorry.  You are talking crap....still.

Again...read my PM.  I am still waiting for just one non-negative comment on these forums by you.

Windows 10, and Windows 11 both are a new model of distribution to the public.  BOTH Operating Systems you claim released to public are Full and Genuinely stable releases.  They are not.

Microsoft is using in this new model a broad-spectrum release of [hopefully they think] fast resolution of issues because every single person [outside of corporate] is a beta tester.

This is one of 2 reasons the systems were made FREE - to saturate the user base as fast as possible.

Second reason is more clandestine, and is to do with a revised business model...much the same as everything else 'online' - targeted advertising.

When you say "everything works except Windowblinds and Curtains" you are patently wrong.

I am confused at these two differing statement's because they seem to conflict with the scope of the debate we were having. I stated why startallback works and why programs such as Start 11 are having issues. Windows 11 current beta program changes ARE the reason why Windows 11 does not have a stable finished shell to work with. If you download Start 11 beta and run it on Windows 11 beta you will be able to see the exact issues I am trying to illustrate.

Phoenix...you're debating with a troll ....never ends well [for the latter]...;)

Fair enough

A windows that shows an "Forbidden sign" when you try to drop a shortcut from the Desktop down to the Taskbar is an unfinished product, period.

Not to mention the idiots that designed the Start Menu.  Not being able to order the icons?, not being able to set titles for the section?, not being able to remove the Recommended section and replace it with your icons?.  If you remove it you'll have a huge space and no option to tweak it.   Just by seeing how Start11 operates you can clearly get that Windows 11 start menu is an alpha work-in-progress thing that should not be there in the market as a Production product.  

That is also NOT true.  Oculus Quest and Quest 2 are having nightmares regarding the Oculus Link which does not work on Windows 11.  It is creating huge latency spikes that makes playing a game impossible.   The only solution for now is to enforce output audio to the PC or enable the console on Oculus Server to be shown at all times, this is because Windows 11 is changing something in the way it assign priorities and this no doubt is breaking the Oculus software.

Oculus is nowhere to be found and is not issuing any updates to fix this issue.  Other helmets are having similar issues, already reported.

If you do not believe me, have a look on this thread

https://forums.oculusvr.com/t5/Support/Oculus-Quest-2-Windows-11-Performance-can-never-hit-maximum-FPS/td-p/877003/emcs_t/S2h8ZW1haWx8dG9waWNfc3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ufEwwOENGUkxINVRZQlRGfDk0ODczNHxTVUJTQ1JJUFRJT05TfGhL

You will need to refute 42 pages of complains from users before you can state that "everything works perfect with 11".

Trolls don't last long on SD sites...you've been arguing with one, and he's...gone.

You are, incidentally correct in your assertions.

I couldn't agree more. The recommendation section you are talking about actually was one of the top 5 most wanted features by beta testers EVER SINCE Windows 11 pre-release beta was released. Microsoft tried its best to ignore this. A lot of the features in start 11 are actually features Microsoft chose to ignore from Windows 11 Beta testers.

I have been using Windows 11 since its first dev channel copy was released and have really got the impression that Microsoft is a bit out of touch with its users. So I adopted start 11 pretty early in the process after feeling ignored by Microsoft. It is safe to say a lot of what you see in Start 11 today is from user feedback. Stardock has listened.

So yes, Windows 11's start menu is junk. The only difference is I actually like using Windows 11 with Start 11 and dont feel the need to roll back to windows 10. But then again I am clearly a ahead of the curve type of person. I am ok with some Beta related headaches and can acknowledge they exist. So, I would probably still tell the more casual user to wait until summer to install windows 11 once a few more bumps get ironed out.

The more i read about peeps issues with Win11 and i think wow. I consider myself a power user, using win11 to work for 8 hours a night in my online job and around 4 hours as Admin of my own site each day, i can honestly say i have not come upon any of the issues mentioned, maybe i just use my PC in a certain way and do not see the bugs mentioned. I do all sorts on my Win11 PC including X265 Encoding, Graphics and Theme Beta testing and a lot more to boot. The only issue i have ever had was a bad theme file which i used an image created just for this purpose to get me back to full functionality in less than 10 minutes.

I am just like the rest of you, in the past i have installed a new OS, thought i did not like it and rolled back, just never needed to do it with Win11 Enterprise right from the start as it has ran smoothly for me since just before it's release. Really does divide peeps, no issues with updates except after just one were it unloaded a win 10 theme i was Beta Testing after updates to make it work on win 11 when i updated and re booted, so just re loaded the theme and all was back to normal.

Even when using WB10 on my Win11 machine testing settings connected to Explorer Patcher, again smooth running besides the well documented transparency issue myself and Phoenix discovered. Weird World.

Here is a clear cut example of issue's Windows 11's current model is causing. This whole image is the start 11's taskbar resized off the Beta / Dev build.

What happened here is that Microsoft has made big changes to the taskbar behavior that now prevent it's taskbar from receiving re-texture or transparency. The parts unaffected are Start 11's software.

Further questions on this latest design flaw. Will Microsoft keep this behavior once it hits full release in May? Can they be even be fixed? How does Window blinds 11 proceed with such big behavior changes such as these?

Additional problem with a software program such as Windowblinds 11... Microsoft is playing with the idea of adding tabs to their explorer. Only problem is, it is a hidden feature at this point. So which is it, are they adding them or not? Do they get skinned or not?

And the biggest question of all. After all the work goes into building Windowblinds 11, what will Microsoft change with their OS in 2023?

Explorer patcher has been pretty stable in regards to Windowblinds 10 on Windows 11 simply because the Windows 10 taskbar and explorer are stable and won't change anymore. Windows 11 needs to do the same thing with its core components.

I think you might have answered your own question.  "Enterprise".  As far as I was aware the lemmings/guinea pig beta testers are the 'general users'.  Enterprise versions are not exposed to the beta process.  They pay...so they get treated better...;)