Kona yes you can do what you said but people will still be using Kazaa so your contradicting yourself...it isn't as easy as that as people are still using it.

I still think it would be a great start....

By all means yes, but it will never be stamped out

One analogy that I've seen on other websites about this that I like: It's like having a car that will warn you twice if you go over the speed limit, then blow up.

oh brother now I've heard it all... wellll I think they may be busy little bees.

I wouldn't worry about it.  I don't see how they could possibly implement
it, our how there would not be *many* business rallying against this.  Can
you imagine an employee getting a work machine blown away because they somehow
downloaded pirated music?  I'd like to see how anyone can justify
this.  As far as I know, it is still illegal to take these types of
actions.  You can destroy a computer due to piracy.  (If it was legal,
don't you think that every software company in the world would be uploading
cracked software that would wipe your computer?)  Don't see this ever
becoming reality.  Can you imagine your computer being hosed because your
13 year old (who is not an adult, and can not be legally considered an adult)
downloaded pirated music?  I don't think so....

If this ever gets implemented, I would take one of my old useless computers and illegally download copyrighted music from the Internet, three times. Then, when my useless computer "blows up", I can get my name on the class action lawsuit. Sounds like fun!

This is also goes directly against our constitution where you are innocent until proven guilty.  They are trying to implement a directly guilty verdict with an immediate punishment.

A more appropriate step would be for an automated notification system that informs authorities if you are downloading/using illegal copyrighted material.  But even that idea opens up a can of worms.

lol... it's the democrats that usualy come up with crap like this. It will never go through anyways, there are still a few decent people left in politics.

But wouldn't you DL only mpegs mp3s or wmas? I mean, can they really have a ping of death encoded in one of those files? And anyway, they are making it guilty until proven innocent like always. But then it's too late. And the government will never pay you for your machine and/or software and time you put into it. I was guilty until I was proven inoccent just last night. I'm starting to dislike the law greatly. Or at least the officials. >


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Republican Senator Orrin G. Hatch from Utah is who's brinchild this is. I normally think highly of him, but in this case he's wayyyy out there! )

This is interesting in the greatest form of the word interesting.

I would like to see them try to implement this. what I do believe is that they should do it for child p0rn and other larger criminal acts.

As far as this democrate/repuplican I have always felt republicans were the type to got to an extreme like this; like a my way or the highway additude. Just MHO


I would be for finding out who is downloading songs on mass, and get there IP addresses and basically go to the home and confiscate the computer and bring it back when the material is removed. The ISP's should easliely be able to know who is downloading and where by the records.

Since college campuses are a major area of theft, networks would have to be reconfigured to allow specific users and track them on sign in when downloading a continuos stream of data.




All this fuss... I don't remember all this when the VCR came out. What happened to tape recorders? Yes digital media makes it so easy and high quality (studio quality in fact) but instead of handling it like this, why not come up with a solution. Apple computers seems to got it. Every week the sales increase and Mac;s are only 3% of the world market (I believe) and they get 400,000 downloads a week.

Make it available to consumers and they will buy it. Come up with a new marketing stratagey and they ill buy those 20 dollars collectable CD's

The anti-hack laws prohibit law enforcement from actively hacking/spyware'ing/intentionally damaging computers of people to watch if they're doing "illegal things".

Any evidence gained by such means is inadmissable in court.

The anti-hack laws protect you. (Not that the RIAA and other such groups don't already violate them brutally)
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A good example of the current law: if a company is hacked, the FBI can not install software to catch the hacker.  they can "suggest" that you implement things that will track them, but they can not do it themselves.

now, if that is just one of the examples of our current laws, then how in the heck could they get something as destructive as this passed?  And, how could they implement it without toasting innocent people's computers?

They just can't.  And, having the government tracking IP addresses and what people do seems like a complete violation of privacy.  We're talking a true big brother issue here.

also entrapment laws do apply fully to the net also

It's merely a cry for attention to further his political carreer. Politicians come up with dumb ideas all the time. They're really not to be taken serious(ly).

so why wouldn't they just change the law on hacking?

and why would getting an IP address be illegal? you have the evidence of them taking the material.

they can make it like going onto Kazza themselves and locating areas where music files are and see who is downloading them.

Putting up fake music seems to have its problems to, I guess, but who would be able to stop them from doing that? They can download Kazza just like anyone else and put music on just like anyone else.


... to over simplistic maybe, I guess. I wonder about all of this. why can;t it just be settled? Just make it really availible for download, make the music better, avertise better, bring in newer products and incentives to buy CD's, stop over paying people, and simplify the deal making just so that an artist can put a song on the net she has to go though 25 signitures.


In the end they are so afraid of loosing revenue, that they are not really focusing on the solution. That's my theory.

There a couple issues with that, joe.

First, Kazza is not illegal.  If you wanted, you could use it as a peer to peer network for exchanging your photos with your family.  there are legal ways of using it.  It is *how* people are using that which is illegal.

Second, there are entrapment laws and laws about invasion of privacy which prohibit entities from setting up ways to collect information to use against a person.

An IP address also does not prove who the person is.  My husband and I use the same computer (have the same IP).  I am sure that my daughter will use the computer.  What happens if one of her friends are over and uses the computer?   It's just like saying that you saw a car with a certain license plate at a robbery.  you can say who owns the car, but that does not prove that they are the one who committed the crime.

hhmmm you got a point there.

I really wonder hw this will get settled. I am tired of the music indrustry and the RIAA excuses and I am also tired of people knowing they are stealing and making up reasons as to why its ok.

It is getting out of hand and the ones everybody want to 'protect' (the artist) is the one really getting the shaft.

Metallica (ironically) made a smart move with their new album to get you to buy it.  Even though you don't pay more for it, it includes a DVD and a code to download extra stuff online.

Maybe if more bands did stuff like that, it would make people want to buy their albums.

I think that pirated music should be on the bottom of our list of social issues that we need to fix.

oh you mean homeless starving people and crappy homeland policy is more important than some tard of a music industry exec going from making $2 million a year to $1,999,999.99 million?

pfft

And, having the government tracking IP addresses and what people do seems like a complete violation of privacy. We're talking a true big brother issue here.

Don't you know that the government IS already tracking everyone? The technology they have at their disposal is at least 7 years ahead of what we have now. The whole big brother thing is real...

Maybe if more bands did stuff like that, it would make people want to buy their albums.

Stainds new one, 14 shades of grey, comes with a DVD as well BTW

And don't get me startes doomgaze on things we need to fix. That is why I hate those Children Christian Fund commercials... If we can not feed all of the kids starving in America why in hell would I want to feed a kid in another contry? Take care of yourself first then take care of others and don't trust anybody...

The reason them adverts appear is cause them countries don't have money to where America has for theirs.

Screw helping other countries, they don't appreciate it. Look at how many aid workers are attacked/killed/harmed each year in OTHER countries!

oh and kona: so very little you know about what the government has young jedi hrm! (coughomnivoreissooolastyearcough)

but the fact is, they aren't tracking everyone... they're very specific in what they're looking for.. i hate conspiracy theories... they're all wrong


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