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Don't fall into the No Man's Skytrap

Don't fall into the No Man's Skytrap

Remember the discussions we had about how big the universe should be?

I hope Stardock is watching the reviews of No Man's Sky.

Check out the first looks on Metacritic. (Ignore the user ratings because they were bombed by 4chan.)

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/no-mans-sky?ref=hp

 

I know this opinion is going to be unpopular with the explorer crowd, but it has to be said. Repetition is what you get when you have a huge, procedurally generated universe, and the critics are questioning the longevity/staying-power of the game because of it. 

 

I don't want repetition. Give me more curated worlds and less algorithms, please.

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Reply #26 Top

Still can't play it..... looks like it will be a refund for me and getting it IF and WHEN they finally fix it.

 

Shame though, I am sure I would have enjoyed all that NMS has to offer..... I was really looking forward to it and naming the stars after the Home Stars of Star Control aliens and naming a few planets after them like Fwiffo-wiffo..... etc.

Reply #27 Top

What specs you got? I couldn't resist the urge of scouring planets and all them ships and multi-tools goodness... XD

I've got i5-4690K w/ MSI GTX 970 4GB and apart from semi-minor occasional stutter after I played with my video settings a bit I've no problems.

So far reddit documented nearly every major issue (not able to start, low fps) with the current game release. HG knows about nearly all of it and Sony brought QC team in that's bigger than HG... (It seems that Sony rushed HG to release the game and now feels responsible?..)

Let's hope they iron out the major snags and people can start enjoying the game. Mine started right away and I only had a stutter issue which as I said was remedied by fudging about with the video settings in nVidia control panel.

 

My current mission is finding a replacement for my first purchased ship which is way too big a size to my liking and ain't pretty either. It's like a van of NMS.

Matching star system colors like a bawse though. :P

 

Bonus

 

"Anti-Bonus" XD

Reply #28 Top

Happy days and Jubilation!

 

Somehow the started working on my comp!!

 

Actually it was a bit weird.

My CPU supports the whatever 4.?? and my video card which is a GT630m or something like that has Opengl 4.3

It would crash on the streaming stars. So I tried the experimental and the game wouldn't run at all...... oppsss.... I realised thatI hadn't yet updated my video drivers since from 2013..... opppsss again. So I updated my drivers but the game would still not start at all. I got rid of the experimental but it would still not run..... triple opppsss -did I just break the game forever???-.

 

But somehow after a couple of computer restarts it works now!!!!

Although I only had time to play for 10 minutes before I had to go to work.... I look forward to this weekend....  \o/

 

 

Reply #29 Top

One time it crashed on me at the start, 'cause I OC'ed my video card "improperly" and it corrupted the mXML (config) files and wouldn't start until I deleted the full install and reinstalled it. Good thing your saves can be kept.

I must tell you, this game has a daily "WTF is that" moment and endless pool of alien world landscape wallpapers. 

Reply #30 Top

Yeah I can tell by your avatar picture you must get many of those "WTF" moments.... lol.

The game is by far lacking in the many promises from SM but it still is a good game.

 

If the game had no hype attached to it, it would right now be praised.....

Reply #31 Top

Quoting Xenove, reply 30

 

If the game had no hype attached to it, it would right now be praised.....

 

This part is incredibly important to note, as it's relevant to a lot of things. I think this should keep us sober and remind us to hype SC:O to be exactly what it is, and nothing that it's not.

Reply #32 Top

The main reason I could go crap all over NMS is because they are charging $60 for what is essentially an early access indie title with a fraction of the features originally promised.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4y4i3a/wheres_the_nms_we_were_sold_on_front_page/

So, they didn't just hype it.  SM pulled a Peter Moleneux on it.

Regardless, I don't begrudge anyone else their fun.  I just find it pretty shady that the game is still (on the steam page) showing a trailer that has features the release version of the game does not possess.

I was never very interested in NMS because I find completely procedural content to be boring.

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Reply #33 Top

Quoting marou92, reply 32

The main reason I could go crap all over NMS is because they are charging $60 for what is essentially an early access indie title with a fraction of the features originally promised.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4y4i3a/wheres_the_nms_we_were_sold_on_front_page/

So, they didn't just hype it.  SM pulled a Peter Moleneux on it.

Regardless, I don't begrudge anyone else their fun.  I just find it pretty shady that the game is still (on the steam page) showing a trailer that has features the release version of the game does not possess.

I was never very interested in NMS because I find completely procedural content to be boring.

 

Nah,

http://www.vice.com/read/inside-the-nasty-no-mans-sky-backlash

 

And here's some insider insight:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4ydj0q/a_video_game_developers_opinion_on_what_happened/

 

Reply #34 Top

^ Yes, SM completely Moleneux'ed it, and that insider info you posted explains it just like that.

 

Though that does not have any bearing on SCO. We don't have Andrew getting on the Late Show. Plus, Stardock is a more trustworthy company than Hello Games. I've lived through a Stardock flop. They made things right by scrapping the faulty game, starting from scratch, and giving out free expansions to the fans they let down. 

Reply #36 Top

Quoting Kavik_Kang, reply 35

That's funny, generational gap.  You say Peter Moleneux and, I remember him... but I think Derek Smart:)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlecruiser_3000AD

 

 

Yeah that game...

 

Battlecruiser Millennium received 65% and 68% at aggregate review sites Game Rankings and Metacritic respectively. According to some reviews of the game, it was as encompassing and strategically pleasing as the developer had set out to make, but lacked in user interface design friendliness and atmosphere. In 2003 Gamespy named it the 19th most overrated game of all time due to the hype Derek produced with his extremely ambitious game play promises that he would ultimately be unable to fulfill.

 

And Daiktana, too.

 

But marou92 nailed it.

Reply #37 Top

I have always considered BC3000 to be a great example of what you get if you try to make a space combat game and you don't understand the space combat part of it.  When everyone else was talking about the technology he claimed to be using and couldn't really create, I was wondering where he learned the form of "Space Combat ACM" you need to understand to make a game where two ships actually fight each other.  This is why you don't see space ship games very often, the combat in them is a science that really only real world air force pilots and SFB players understand because only they have ever studied it.  "Space Combat ACM" is not sci-fi, it is very real.  Air force pilots know half of what they need already, and understand SFU tactics very, very quickly.  The tactics of SFB are essentially a "2D ACM without gravity".  One of the things I did in my universe to "next generation" myself ahead of the SFU was to add in the gravity... That really does change a lot, leading me to call sublight travel in my universe "Surfing"... because that's what you wind up with when you put the gravity in.  A lot of "Surfing" in sublight:-)

There was just no way that game was ever going to be any good when it came to the combat.  And that still really applies today, you don't see well-portrayed space combat because there is only one group of people who have ever worked it out.  It is VERY complex, but when you create a valid combat environment it is also very awesome.  We did that two very different ways in SFB and B5 Wars.  They may look similar, but if you play both you would see that they are very, very different.  Modern gamers will probably like B5 Wars better, it was specifically designed for them... although if you try that and wish it was twice as detailed and complex, then you are an SFB player:-)

Did you ever actually play BC3000... man, that was aweful!  Haha...  Derek Smart sticks in my mind because I could never believe that people would keep funding his same, very obviously impossible dream, over and over again while at the same time saying the kinds of things they would say to me.  It was like I was in the twilight zone or something.

EDIT: I guess I should be specific.  One of the problems with doing space combat in a computer game, the biggest one, is that to create an AI that could do that is going to be many times more difficult than it was to do that with Chess.  Chess, locked onto it's grid with few move combinations, is simple compared to open space combat with no terrain between even just 2 objects.  I can't say that it can't be done, but nobody has tried yet and I doubt anyone will have any motivation too for a very long time.  I couldn't design an AI that could fight you any better than anyone else could.  There are far too many variables involved.  Like I said, I do it through pure illusion.  It isn't actually happening, that's how it can happen.  I'm not like Derek Smart, and my games aren't "glorious visions" of something I think will be really cool.  I know exactly how to make it work... but not using "AI", because that is impossible:-)

 

Reply #38 Top

After thinking about it a little more, blowing up a planet (or something similarly as big, but blowing up a planet really does work like a charm every time) at the end of the very first short quest, is perfect for an adventure game like this.  It can be a primary secondary quest for the first half, or even almost until the end, of the whole story.  If you are in Sol, probably blow up a moon.  Most people know Io from 2001 and B5 so Io would be a good moon to blow up... however works for the story you come up with for it.  Then, right away, something really big happens that leaves a lot of questions they want answered... How or why did the planet blow up?  Who blew the planet up?  How did the planet blow up?  Is another planet going to blow up?  As many questions as your story can leave about it.

Death Star blows up Alderon, Klingon Moon Praxis blows up, Cylons blow up the colonies, Centauri blow up the Narn, Sheridan blows up the Jump Gate (...and Zhahadum), Samantha Carter blows up a star... everyone blows up a planet!

I think this really would do the trick... they love it when a planet blows up!  :-)

 

Reply #40 Top

Quoting IBNobody, reply 34

^ Yes, SM completely Moleneux'ed it, and that insider info you posted explains it just like that.

 

Though that does not have any bearing on SCO. We don't have Andrew getting on the Late Show. Plus, Stardock is a more trustworthy company than Hello Games. I've lived through a Stardock flop. They made things right by scrapping the faulty game, starting from scratch, and giving out free expansions to the fans they let down. 

 

I say Sony f.ed it up. They shouldn't have set the release date and should've let HG finish the game. The game ain't bad, they just trimmed all the juicy mechanics and fluff off it to meet the deadline in my estimation. It seems that they will be bringing it all back in form of free DLCs as well. Hopefully...

 

Are you talking about Elemental: War of Magic? The game that made me actually register here...

 

The memes level in this Bonus matches the game's visuals perfectly!

 

Reply #41 Top

I just asked for my NMS refund today. Even though I have 40 hours playing it. I just... I couldn't find the fun parts for me.

I don't mind scouring mindlessly boring planet after mindlessly boring and meaningless planet.... AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME FORM OF PAY-OFF. Like in Diablo or Baldur's Gate. I don't mind getting 130 rusty long swords, plain as can be... as long as there's the PROMISE of getting one really kickass, talking sentient 2H sword, or a fire-breathing named weapon, or a life-sucking scythe with awesome art.

NMS has, literally, nothing special to ever find - EVER. Literally nothing. We all find the same Sigma, Tau and Theta upgrades for the same exact shield, blaster and laser as everyone else and there's never anything else, ever, for the whole game on all 18 quintillion planets, ever, forever.

God, it's such a drag, because the same exact thing extends to the creatures! Like, can you IMAGINE if the same were true in Star Control regarding the creeps on BIO worlds?????? Hah! What if the f-ing creeps were the ONLY aliens you EVER found in the entire game? Sure, the creeps are boring and just obstacles you need to overcome - but dang, if that was the WHOLE game? It would be worthless garbage.

But the creatures in NMS are even worse!! They do nothing and give you nothing - EVER. Yeah, they can poop or whatever, but who cares? You can find those minerals elsewhere. Shoot a creature you'll always just get carbon. So in SCII, it would be the equivalent of all creeps only ever giving you the dang greyish-blue element. Worthless.

I think that's where NMS missed a huge opportunity. It would be a million times better if SOME worlds had this race of extremely aggressive and vicious creatures living on the surface (or in the caves) that would just relentlessly hunt and attack you - but you'd go anyway because they guard all the Omegon! Right?? Instead, in 200 planets, I've found one species of crab that kind of moves toward me and hits me, without me even realizing it. Yeay.

Instead, they have the same mindless, 0-6 leg nothing-creatures with slightly different faces that don't care if you're there or not. What an awful, awful missed opportunity. 

Frick, I could go on forever, but it's not worth tiring out my hands.

Reply #42 Top

Let's be honest. It's basically an inventory management game. Which is boring. 

Also, you're not much of an explorer if EVERY SINGLE PLANET YOU EVER COME ACROSS IS ALREADY INHABITED! RIGHT?! 

Reply #43 Top

I hope you get your refund.

On a positive note, you and I now have a common basis for discussion on filler and giant universes. The point where I recognize the futility of my actions happens much sooner than it did for you. (In my case, it happened before I handed over any money.) Would you have felt differently about the game had it supported mods or player multiverses (to use the SCO term)?

Imagine having to do this all over again with SCO. Nope Nope Nope. Even with having a storyline and combat as distractions, planetary exploration will wear out its welcome if it is a soulless husk like NMS.

 

Anyway... I am sorry to see that you were disappointed. We all were. Except Hunam. He thinks it is your fault. ("Don't blame the game, blame the player.") 

Reply #44 Top

^ It is your fault if you've no clue what you're buying and then complain it doesn't do what you wanted it to do.

If you pre-order, you have no right to complain. If you buy without research you have no right to complain.

So yeah, pretty much is SCO fails, YOU have no right to ask for your money back.

Reply #45 Top

I just really don't like this argument, Hunam_. It doesn't hold water, when you break it down... that's like saying you shouldn't buy a bag of meatballs from IKEA that says 100% beef... only to find out, when you open it and cook them, it's horse meat - and then complain. Should you have to run genetic testing on something, and wait for reviews of each bag of meatballs before purchasing. No, you trust what they say on the bag. 

Riddle me this, Hunam_ - Did No Man's Sky developer Sean Murray say you will ABSOLUTELY be able to see other people in case you run into them, as it's a shared galaxy (Yes, he did.)? Just answer that question, right there, with a yes or no and we really don't have to argue. Here's how the boxes showed up:

Multiplayer sticker was covered up after the box was already printed. That right there makes me deserving of a refund. And there's really no arguing it.

Thing is, I got together with my 3 best friends and we all bought the game together DESPITE the negative press, bad reviews and controversy on the sole idea that we would find a way to meet up at the center of the galaxy. Everyone's headed there, right? Yet, it didn't happen. Can't happen, actually. In direct disagreement with Sean Murray. And I should get a refund strictly because of that. It's not stupidity or whining. It's a promise on the BOX that didn't materialize. 

There's a million other lame issues with this game, I can't even play it on one of my computers, despite meeting the minimum reqs. He promised no two worlds would be the same, yet the same EXACT flowers spit out Thamium9, Platinum, Zinc, etc on every single world there is. Every single world in the entire GAME was somehow seeded with the same exact platinum flower. What in the heck is that, anyway? It's one of the lamest mechanics I've ever seen in a game.

I'd even go so far as to argue that it was pitched as a game where you could explore the uncharted galaxy - yet, EVERY SINGLE PLANET IN THE GAME IS ALREADY INHABITED AND SETTLED! How ridiculous is that? These 3 alien races have 18 quintillion colonies? They somehow settled and set up shop on 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 worlds?!?! Seems like instead of exploring the uncharted galaxy, you're actually exploring a VERY WELL CHARTED AND SETTLED GALAXY.

 

Reply #46 Top

Quoting cuorebrave, reply 45

Riddle me this, Hunam_ - Did No Man's Sky developer Sean Murray say you will ABSOLUTELY be able to see other people in case you run into them, as it's a shared galaxy (Yes, he did.)?

Yes, he mentioned it once in ONE Colbert interview. A year before the release. Every other interview denies the presence of MP. Like about dozens of them?.. If you did a minimal research on the matter as I did you'd have a clear picture of what a game is: Single Player in a shared PG universe. That's exactly what was delivered.

Sticker on the box means jack shit.

 

If you bought beef meatballs in IKEA and it's a horse meat, you can return it per their policy or sue them if they don't oblige by it. That's how real world and laws work.

I don't see anybody suing HG or Sony for what was delivered, 'cause most of them realize that their whining only amounts to uncontained internet rage. That's all.

Here's the interview that I heard many times before 'cause that's exactly what SM was saying in all the other 8234534 interviews with the exception of 1 or 2.

This is less than a week before the release date too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBCykoRv-0

NO MP. Don't buy the game looking for it. How many times have you heard that? I've heard that at least 43563 times.

 

Everything is habitable? Who promised everything uninhabitable?... And it is unexplored by YOU.

 

I, myself, am disappointed that the game has less meat than expected, but I hold hope that it's getting added in future updates/DLCs.

 

Lack of variety of Platinum and Zinc plants?... Please... You gonna bring this into discussion?..... There much bigger things to complain about. Like Factions and the lack of interactivity with them. Lack of space battles interactivity. Lack of story interactivity. Restricted flight. etc. etc.

 

Reply #47 Top

Quoting Hunam_, reply 46

I don't see anybody suing HG or Sony for what was delivered, 'cause most of them realize that their whining only amounts to uncontained internet rage. That's all.

 

http://techraptor.net/content/kekraptor-lawsuit-filed-no-mans-sky-says-game-isnt-revolutionary-enough

Checkmate, Fanboy. :P

Reply #48 Top

Here's at least 4 different times... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A

Secondly, it's not whining to want to get what's promised to you. Seems pretty sensible, actually...

Thirdly, I heard him talk about "multiplayer" a million times, always couching it in the fact that it's not multiplayer because the universe is so big. I would really have appreciated him saying what we all know now: "It's not multiplayer because we didn't put multiplayer in the game" instead of "Well, it's multiplayer, but you'll probably never find another person..." That's just misleading. And if you think I must be an isolated case who was too stupid to understand and didn't do my research - that's not the case. Many, many, many people were misled by this, myself included. And it doesn't make us stupid, it just means he was misleading.

And I mean, let's be honest... they were planning multiplayer, right? And they cut it for whatever reason. It happens. But when it DOES happen, you should just say it, folks. Sean should just say, "Multiplayer was planned, but it got cut because of the timeline for release..." But he didn't want to do that, did he? He didn't want less people buying the game.

And uh... sticker on the box doesn't mean "jack shit". What world do you live in? Try telling that to Nutrition labels, or things slapped incorrectly with the "organic" box, or AshleyMadison.com that stated is getting collectively sued for breach of customer privacy, when they created their OWN "Certified Secure" sticker to slap on their product... and then leaked 36 million customers' info, lol.

And I didn't say "Everything is habitable" - I said everything was ALREADY INHABITED! That's stupid and makes your "exploring" and categorizing things pointless - it's already been categorized and named BY THE CURRENT INHABITANTS. OF EVERY SINGLE PLANET. That shit's just lame. You're not "discovering" a single thing. Not one thing. Every planet is already inhabited by sentients, or super-AI. 

Lastly, platinum and zinc plants (the same exact ones on every single planet in the entire 18quintillion) are just an EXAMPLE of the promise of "No two planets alike" not being fulfilled. To me, that's a fib. Every planet has the same exact thing, and in many cases, the same exact form.

And the "bigger things" you referred to are ALSO right. I don't know what you're trying to prove me wrong about. It seems like I'm supporting everything you say except where you're attacking me and calling me a whiner and saying "jack shit" to me, who literally just stepped into this conversation. Who's got "uncontained Internet Rage" now?! 

Reply #49 Top

Quoting IBNobody, reply 47


Quoting Hunam_,

I don't see anybody suing HG or Sony for what was delivered, 'cause most of them realize that their whining only amounts to uncontained internet rage. That's all.



 

http://techraptor.net/content/kekraptor-lawsuit-filed-no-mans-sky-says-game-isnt-revolutionary-enough

Checkmate, Fanboy. :P

 

Richard “Dick” Imagonnasueya-Pantsoff

Did you even read it?... Or you just enjoy being stupid?  :thumbsup:

Reply #50 Top

Quoting Hunam_, reply 49

Did you even read it?... Or you just enjoy being stupid?  :thumbsup:

::whoosh:: (That's the sound of the joke going over your head.)