That is the "humanitarian" line and is partially true.  However, the sad fact is that not all the illegals are "just looking for work".  Indeed, the ones that have taken over part of the Buenos Aires National park are not, nor are the murders, coyotes, drug runners and cartel members.

We can bleed our hearts and say "ah, so sad" to the poor faces the ignorant media portrays these people as.  All the while ignoring the criminals playing on the stupidity of both the MSM and DC politicians.

Again, I would suggest all Google the Prince William law that was enacted 3 years ago and the impact it has had.  The only difference between it and Arizona is that the police have to check the immigration status of everyone who is stopped for cause, they have no discretion.

JU seems to be behaving today, so oops #1

and #2

The criminals should be prosecuted regardless of their residency status.  The vast majority of the undocumented are not criminals.  The right just wants to villify them by portraying them all as violent criminals which is just not true.  The supporters of this law want to say it is to decrease crime but crime is already decreasing.  http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html

They all are criminals, why should we be bothered with sorting the good form the bad.

 

 

Just because arrest are down does not mean crime is down.

Did you know the boarder patrol rounded up 500 invaders in one day on Robert Krentz's ranch? He was a man who would bring food and water to trespassers if they needed it and they shot him down. "the boarder is safer now than ever"

Let's translate that into English:

The vast majority of illegal aliens, who committed a crime by coming here illegally in circumventing our immigration laws, are not professional criminals.

I believe that to be true of those already in-country.  But a quite sizable minority are professional criminals.  And until we control the border, we can't shut off the influx of that sizable minority which, in the current US employment environment, may well be in fact a sizable majority of those currently entering illegally.

What to do about all the 'undocumented' resident non-professional criminals once the border is controlled is another subject.  I strongly suspect we would (and shall) deal with that problem compassionately but resolutely once the border is a border again.

Prove it.  Links?  Sources?  Opinions go at the bottom.

And just so you do not waste your time, ALL ARE CRIMINALS.  They already broke the law.  So perhaps you want to qualify your assertion?

One town that is not even on the border (just ask the democrat from Wisconsin) and that is some type of proof?  Ok, where are the other 100 articles from the other "non" border states/cities?  That berg does not cover the entire border, now does it?

And here your problem, you are a bigot. By right what do you mean? "rednecks"? "hicks"? "farm people"? "god nuts"?

You believe they simply wish to vilify. Yet you conveniently ignore evidence and fact. There is a huge crime problem in arizona, they are trying to cut it down, this is all. No villification. No rounding up of all mexicans. just fighting against a surmountable tide of crime.

Good point!

Sorry to disappoint crime is going down.  This is from the FBI and is national but if you want 100 links that show crime is down I would be glad to find them for you. 

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/crimestats_122109.html

Okay change right to supporters of Arizaona SB  1070.  Happy now?

Nice, but that is not about the issue, now is it?  Violent crime has gone down in my town too, but it has nothing to do with illegals.  And a lot to do with the new Police chief.  The FBI report has no correlation to illegals now does it?

OK, now change it to supporters of laws.  Happy now?

 

Doesn't matter whether crime overall is up or down, Loca, although I bet we'll see a further drop in Arizona after the law goes into effect. 

There is no level of crime committed by illegal immigrants that is acceptable, just like there's no level of crime committed by legal citizens that is acceptable.  The moral relativism of opponents of 1070 is breathtaking.  What's Rob Krentz's life worth?  100 illegal immigrants?  A thousand? Two?

Since we're on the subject of crime, the biggest relevant chunk of which involves drug smuggling, there are those who argue that the drug smuggling problem and the immigration problem have nothing to do with each other (link) but I disagree.  They are most certainly linked and the drug smugglers take advantage of the porous border, and hapless illegal immigrants, every day.  Furthermore, the fact that drug smuggling occurs hardly makes coming here illegally "OK" and some of those drug smugglers will get snared by implementation of 1070.

Our local papers would have us believe that 'undocumented workers' have been fleeing the state in droves since the law was passed and that some legal Latino residents are leaving, out of sympathy or in protest.  While I have no problem with illegals leaving, since they've demonstrated they have no respect for our laws, I hate for legal Hispanic citizens to leave because they not only have nothing to fear but are deserving of our support and fealty.  1070 has nothing to do with them.  They have been misled and frightened by the lies and exaggerations of vocal opponents of 1070, many of whom have no skin in the game and no idea of the harm they are causing.

Is 1070 sufficient to solve our illegal immigration and drug smuggling problems?  Hell, no.  But it's a reasonable weapon in addressing both issues and a damn sight more than the Feds (under either Bush or Obama) have been willing to do.  And to argue that it's worse than doing nothing (as Kos & our President have determined) is idiotic - Constitutional Scholarship my ass notwithstanding.

(A bit of disclosure - I've worked with and cared for some of Rob's relatives in the past.)

Smuggling tunnel found under Rio Grande in El Paso

INdeed!  Everyone is an act of war,  and Obama is ignoring it.

So, according to you, anyone who supports Arizona SB1070 does so because they are vicious raging bigots who want nothing but to vilify all Hispanics because of their bigotry, and doesn't REALLY care about upholding the law, reducing human trafficking, drug trafficking, etc...

It seems to me that you are under the effects of liberal indoctrination. You know, I was taught that liberalism is open mindedness, compassion, and care for the well being of people. (I will spare you what conservatism is supposedly). Anyways, that was the biggest mistake, especially the "open minded" portion. I suggest you actually listen, with an open mind. And try showing compassion to the honest victims of the crime syndicates, human trafficking, etc.

I feel that you have a chance of casting down the shackles that are on your mind, after all:

See, you are perfectly capable of figuring out how it can work without profiling. So, how about you listen with an open mind, listen to Dr Guy, listen to the others here, see if they are raging bigots and white supremacists redneck godnuts... or if they are sensible people with sensible claims and logic and reason.

Don't get me wrong, racism exists, I found many cases where I carefully listened to the logic and explanation of bigots and judged it with an open mind I found it to be ignorant and baseless.

But here is the thing, none of us are bigots. Many of us do come from a "proper" liberal background (I do), many are atheists (I am), most are not from farms (I am not), are not rednecks (what do people have against hard working southern farmers anyways; you realize the term redneck refers to those who work in the sun all day, thus get sunburned on their neck), and heck, might even belong to minority groups themselves (I am).

She found me out.  I am a racist.  Who married a Mexican.  So I hate my inlaws and my wife.  I am sooooooo depressed!

Oh She has a VA license. I was just commenting on how difficult it would be for an illegal to get one in VA. You point out the MD exploit. Joe Biden must be proud.

Loca...unlike some of the other liberal bloggers here... we still love ya.

Loca, I am not unsympathetic to people who want a better life.  But you're assuming all illegals come here for jobs.  So say employers are brought into line, fined whatever. 

Do you really think illegals would stop crossing the border?

No.  They wouldn't.  Therefore it is not the answer to the problem.  It may be answer to part of it, but certainly not even close to all.

Tova, again your pointing in the right direction, and I want to elaborate more. If an illegal can make a bit more money by selling drugs or prostitution, doesn't it make sense? After all they are here to MAKE money. Many are not satisfied making sub-minimum wage. When you can get a commodity (drugs) cheaply and easily back home, have it smuggled to you, and sell it for much more than picking tomatoes, people are naturally going to attempt to supplement their incomes, or make that the primary source of money if it seems to be working for them. So yes, as long as they can make money though illegal work or crime, they will continue to come here.

Like Tova said, not all are doing this, but even a generous figure of 1% is too much. What really bothers me is vocal, I'll say few, that outright spit on our laws, do not support the US in anyway, and revel in racism and "reclaiming" lost Mexican territory. I feel this way toward any illegals, not just Mexicans, but others seem to keep much lower on the radar. They need a boot too. The illegal Mexican population has become so large they feel they can come right out in the open with their list of demands... and some politicians are pandering to these people. That makes me sick. Politicians are supposed to represent US citizens and uphold the laws and constitution of the country. If some US citizens want illegals here, the law should trump that want. They want representation? Immigrate legally.