Mexico files court brief against Arizona immigration law

The fact that it's being challenged by our own federal government is evidence enough of that.

It's pretty pathetic that the US government is suing Arizona when the only thing the law does is instructs law enforcement officers to enforce the federal law already on the books.   Now the government of Mexico is joining in on the fun, when they are the root of the illegal alien problem in the first place.

Well you actually read the bill, unlike the President and other officials in the government.  There is nothing that promotes racial profiling.  As usual, the President uses the race card to defer from the real problem going on around the border.

Mexico suing a sovereign state of the US (where are the feds who are supposed to protect the states from foreign hostilities).  Mexicans threatening to kill lawmen in the US.  Mexicans squatting in US territory with impunity.

La Raza is too late.  Obama has already ceded half the US back to Mexico.

The problems I have with this law..

Immigration is under federal jurisdiction not state jurisdiction...states cannot deport anyone...put an ICE hold on any undocumented committing violent crime and let the federal government handle it.

It puts an unfair burden on law enforcement.  This bill allows local departments to be sued for not enforcing immigrations laws.  Law enforcement can also forget about any cooperation from undocumented people who are victims of or witnesses to crime.

The undocumented are here for jobs.  Go after the business owners that hire them.  Why can't we do that?  Well because those business owners contribute to political campaigns, that's why. 

I wish someone could explain to me exactly how this works without profiling.  I guess the officers need to ask every person they deal with for their documentation in order to not profile. 

We need comprehensive immigration reform in this country that will allow these workers to earn legal status which is next to impossible now. 

But of course the latest from Obama is he will not do anything until he can get some concessions out of the opposition to his policies.  In other words, the feds are abrogating their responsibility.  In such a case, it IS the responsibility of the states to protect its citizens.  Murder, Kidnapping, Drugs, and the list goes on.  These are the activities of some of the illegals.  Now stand 20 of them up in a line and tell me which ones are looking for honest work and which ones are here to perform illegal acts.

That is why Arizona is taking the safety of its citizens into its own hands.  It IS the responsibility of the feds.  But they have told all of us they are refusing to do their job.

The feds are not enforcing the law so Arizona has do it for them. It's called self preservation. Do you think they are going though all this trouble because they are a bunch of racist having fun? They are desperate.

It won't be an easy time but it's got to be done. Law enforcement may have to work harder but that's the way it is when things get out of hand.

sections 5,6,7

Every time I ever got pulled over(and that's been plenty)I've had to prove who I was. Everyone must carry some form of ID, it's always been that way.

We need to control the boarder first. The workers illegals need to go home.

I say fuck it, annex their asses.

I think it is becoming the other way around.

I don't think this is true.  The border patrol is doing a good job of securing the border.  The result is that workers who used to travel back and forth betweenh the US and Mexico now stay in the US.  Crime is actually down and immigrants commit less crime than citizens. 

Um....what?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/21/kyl-obama-wont-secure-border-lawmakers-immigration-package/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/16/closes-park-land-mexico-border-americans/

Lets not forget...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/22/mexican-gangs-permanent-lookouts-parkland/

Mexican drug cartels have set up shop on American soil, maintaining lookout bases in strategic locations in the hills of southern Arizona from which their scouts can monitor every move made by law enforcement officials, federal agents tell Fox News. 

The scouts are supplied by drivers who bring them food, water, batteries for radios -- all the items they need to stay in the wilderness for a long time.  

Loca,

I am curious. Are you against the Arizona Law or the federal Immigration law in general? I ask because as many have said the Arizona law simply enforces an existing law, a law that, by your opinion can discriminate based on race. The problem here is, this whole discrimination issue was never an issue because the law was never enforced by the Gov't which ended up creating the illegal immigration in the first place which now brings us to Arizona having to do what the Federal Gov't has not done and now refuses to do. Now discrimination is an issue because we will actually be enforcing an "existing" law. It's like saying fire is only dangerous if you actually get burned, the immigration laws only discriminate when enforced. But then why do we have it?

So you see, I am still confused by some peoples dislike for a State law that simple enforces a Federal law but why is no one criticizing the Federal law? You either are in favor of stopping illegal immigration or you are not but I just can see how there is an in between on this issue. You can't be against illegal immigration but be in favor of rewarding those who are already here by making them citizens or not punishing them just because they are already here because then what is the purpose of having an immigration law in the first place.

A lot of people talk about reform. But what exactly do you mean when you say we need immigration reform? Does that mean make it easier for non-citizens to become citizens? Does it mean we should have open boarders? Does it mean we should only make it a crime if the illegal immigrant commits a crime? What exactly do people want reformed?

Island Dog the fact that you get all of your news from Fox concerns me.  Kyl is full of caca.  Obama just requested a $600 million border security bill.  The fact that we have shut down part of the border means that we are in control of it and the border is secure.  My uncle was border patrol.  It irritates me when people act like they aren't doing their jobs.  They are.  Have you ever crossed the border?  It's not an easy process because they are doing their jobs. 

And yes I will admit that the drug violence and Mexican drug cartels are a huge issue but one that we bear some responsibility for...we buy the drugs, they buy our guns...but I think that is a separate issue than immigration reform or lack of it

I want there to a be a way for undocumented workers who are already here to earn legal status in this country.  I think they should have to register, pay a fine for entering the country illegally, and be able to earn citizenship.  Our current laws make it almost impossible for anyone to come to the country legally unless they have education and skills or a relative who is a citizen.  I think we need to greatly increase the number of temporary work visas available.  I do not support an open border.  Right now it is a civil offense to be in the country without documentation.  It is a criminal offense to enter the country illegally.  I also support the Dream act which allows non-citizen chidren of undocumented workers to earn citizenship through military service or graduating from college. 

Kyl is one of the most honest men in the government and obama is the biggest lair in the government. You choose to believe obama because it fits your agenda. Don't pretend you're for immigration reform while it's really open boarders and full scale mexican invasion. Ain't that right? Come on admit it 

That statement defies logic!

Fair and Balanced

I for one have never said they were not doing their jobs. There is not enough man power to do the job without a wall. When they have to use deadly force to enforce the law or defend themselves they catch hell from the loony left. 

This is Alice-in-Wonderland thinking.  Though 'thinking' may be a generous description.

Try squatting your ass down in any other country illegally & see how that works out for you, especially Mexico.

People who want to come here permanently should come here to become Americans.  Could the process of obtaining citizenship be made a bit more 'user-friendly'?  Probably, but I have no problem with current citizenship requirements.  The last thing this country needs is the Balkanization that is currently going on de facto.

That should really help drive the unemployment rate down.  Who gets to decide what sort of work is 'temporarily needed'?  You?

Check out the statement by Sen Kyl.  It is exactly what they (the feds) are saying - through Obama this time, so there is no room for "interpretation".

Like Buenos Aires national forest?  Like Robert Krentz?  No, it is not safer.  it is getting worse, And the Mexican drug lords have stated they will kill American law Enforcement DOING their job.

It has gone beyond a philosophical issue.  It is now life and death.  And Arizona is standing up for its citizens as is its DUTY, RESPONSIBILITY and promise.

No, Kyl stated a fact.  And you do not need to go to Fox to get the news. Try the NY Times. How about the Federal government?

Just because it is EASIER to find the NEWS on fox does not make them the only source.

We did not shut it down.  It was banned to AMERICANS. The illegals still use it with impunity.  And $600m?  he is "requesting"?  he just blew over 10 trillion on bogus health care, and anther 800 BILLION on graft calling it a stimulus package (it may have stimulated his libido, but nothing else).

I did.  Here's a sample (emphasis mine):

This is typical of what passes for 'evidence' of 'lies' at MediaMatters.  Others can read the whole page at your link & conclude what they wish, but it's nothing but a bunch of differences of opinion, suspicion & inuendo falsely labeled as 'facts'.  If that's the best they have to offer to impeach Kyl's integrity, as Handel says, "They got no case."

How, exactly?  Other than requiring them to verify legal status.

Blogs are not even close to being authoritarian or accurate.  Again, tell that to Robert Krentz - if you can channel him.

That is not an illegal immigrant issue, then is it?  It is the fault of the Obama administration and is separate from the debate.

Again, quoting media matters on anything other than the alphabet is like quoting Karl Marx on the benefits of capitalism.  You are not doing your case any good.

The health care bill has some nasty provisions in it because they knew it was going to cost a fortune.  basically, you are now required by law to create a 1099 for the boy who mows your lawn - because the democrats fear there is money that they are not taxing.  This provision is hitting businesses like farms very hard since it creates a mountain of paperwork that now has to be filled out. 

But the stupidity of the law (it is a liberal one, so of course it is stupid) is that they have over extended their hand.  Making it so onerous, they are going to find far fewer actually conforming to it.  It is like I try to tell the security folks who insist that "passwords be changed every 30 days and the last 40 cannot be re-used".  By making the rules so strict, they are actually making security less effective.  People cannot remember that many nor remember the changes that often (how long does it take you to stop writing the last year on a check after Jan 1?).

The smart farmers are going to start paying $250 for a bag of $25 fertilizer, just to have it "delivered".  Instead of getting more money, as always when tax rates go up, they are going to get less.