Not sure what all they had in mind, but it wasn't a "unified" position. It is a deliberately "vague" document in places in order to allow for peaceful change and wide interpretation, as well as compromise.

The rest of your comment is Aces with me. I also wish people would calm themselves  and LISTEN for a change. I think that's the most critical tool anyone can develop. That and Photoshop.

This is a separate program from the school-based one. There is a measure in one of the house bills specifically dedicated to educational institutions, and like you say, something like it has been going on for a long time; it's really an extension of the nurse's office from way back.

Anti-bullying measures have, in theory, been put into place for some time in the area I live in, and the practical result has been an increase in bullying. Bullies are shifted from school to school, and it's actually ILLEGAL for one school to inform another school that is getting the bully that he is indeed a bully. This is the socialist mentality at work.

Read the language--it's home and work-place based; the state or it's delegated entity, such as ACORN, a criminal organization of which President Obama is and was intimately associated with, will be required to interact with citizens at home and in the work-place to monitor their activities on a regular basis. You're dreaming if you think this will be benign. President Obama is a Marxist, he surrounded himself with Marxists and so on in university, and he has numerous Marxists in high positions (such as some of his unelected czars who are not accountable to congress). He has publicly stated that it is his aim to have a civilian institution as powerful as the military; it is standard operating procedure for Marxists to have neighborhood committees who keep an eye on people.  This little section will give him the legal authority and financing necessary to set these committees up. Presumably, they will start out more as advisory committees, but they will have the authority to do more than advise; they will be able to dictate, and you can bet that they will.

Read my first post; there is more specific information from the proposed bill in it, and another post gives you a download link for a PDF file of the act that has passed committee hearings.

Sorry, Seth, but I'd like to see the opposition to Obamacare increase until the whole thing is dead and buried, and the politicians that are behind it are voted out of office so that nobody dares to try it again.

It would be a whole lot easier, and much cheaper, to just pay the insurance bills of the uninsured.

I was referring to the screamers in the meetings. I have the feeling that Health Inssurance Reform...very badly needed is taking second seat to Party politics, and far baser things.

The current system is unsustainable, John.

On a lighter note, I ran into this advertisement for Nurses on the Internet: Imagine getting 'care' from Nurse Zubaz, R.N.!

 

I'm uninsured and can't get taken care of with my sleep apnea until I see a speacilaist. I can't see a specialist until I get a referal from a doctor. ER doctors do not give referals and I have no health care so I can;t see a regualr doctor. Around here you must have health care to see a Doctor that will give referals.

So I get screwed in the end and your plan will not work.

The current system does NOT work.

I'm distressed by your plight, kona. I wish I could help, because even if you could get into the specialist and do the sleep study, you'd still need an insurance plan to get a Ramped CPAP machine.

The current system is broken. It's cost is ballooning...because employer based health insurance is an open checkbook and the uninsured's cost is being shifted onto the insured.

What about this do people not understand? It couldn't be simpler.

Lose the anger and hatred and help people. By doing so 'you' will help 'your'self.

No one is interested in entering another's home. No one is forcing anyone to choose any one program over another.

This is about Health Insurance Reform.

It's STILL attached to grant money!  If you are not the beneficiary of a public grant that this language is attached to, than you would keep yourself free from the intrusion of ACORN. 

I think you're panicking about ACORN, the same way I panicked about Bush's "Faith-based initiatives" -- I was worried someone was going to force me into listening to a freakin' sermon about a god I don't believe in which would be a huge waste of my time and a violation of my constitutional rights in order to receive government benefits.  That had me raging mad!  In practice it's not that bad of a thing.  I buy my groceries from the Angel Food Ministries program in my city -- I believe they are supplemented by the "faith-based initiatives" program -- I get $70 worth of groceries for $30, at the local Methodist church -- the members of the church volunteer their time to hand out the groceries and they are very nice people -- the only "preachy" thing is the little flyer that comes with the groceries, and sometimes the flyer has recipes in it that I read--otherwise it just gets used to line the rat's cage...no biggy.

You don't have to let anyone in your house without a warrant!  When ACORN members come to your house to monitor your refrigerator and make sure your home is smoke-free, just tell them to get a warrant!  (It also helps if you have a big dog -- what I've discovered since owning a pit bull, is even if your dog is sweet and people-friendly, if it's big and looks like dogs people see on TV that kill babies, they don't want to come into your home...it works really well with the Mormons and JW's that come to my house!  They'll just mark off on their list that you're compliant and move on to the next house so they don't have to come in and risk the possibility of being mauled.)

I agree on that--we disagree on who's party politics is the problem.

On your lighter note, how did you do that poster? You don't use Photoshop, do you?

Karen, the grants go to a federal or state or national community organization, not the individual. In the schools, for instance, Planned Parenthood is the type of organization that operates in a lot of schools.

That's a good one.

I do use Photoshop 7.0.1

Which are you referring to?

Do you have a job? Could you buy insurance?

What about this, Seth? Does Medicaid/Medicare cover the unemployed?

My plan would work if someone payed for your insurance, like you, for instance. As I said, it would be easier to just buy your insurance (the government) than to set up this gigantic system which will cost trillions of dollars in the end, and go bankrupt like Medicaid/Medicare are going to do.

In the end, someone else other than the recipient will be paying for what is called free care; whether it's the insured, or the taxpayer makes no difference. We have a system like that in Canada already; the taxpayer can't afford what is called free health care, and the government is forced to limit treatments, can't buy enough MRI machines and operators to meet the demand, as an example, but at the same makes it ILLEGAL to operate a private clinic for humans. If you want an MRI for your dog, it can be arranged quickly. As a result, some people die because they can't get treatment soon enough, or, if they can afford it, they leave the country to be treated, and guess where they go--the United States of America.

Actually, both of them, and others I've seen you do. I was under the impression you didn't do graphics. That explains everything. I like your stuff. That was a good acorn poster.

1. Medicaid covers some of the unemployed. Medicaid is a U.S. government assistance program that provides health care benefits to certain categories of low-income individuals, including children, expectant mothers, senior citizens, and people with certain types of disabilities, primarily those with no health insurance or substandard coverage. Medicaid was first enacted on July 30, 1965, through Title XIX of the Social Security Act. By structure, each individual state presides over its own Medicaid program, while the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) provide oversight of the state-run programs, as well as certain mandates for service, quality control, funding expenditures, and eligibility standards.

Medicaid is very different from Medicare, a social insurance program aimed to benefit the elderly and individuals with certain disabilities, with which it is often associated. Unlike Medicare, which is fully funded by the government, Medicaid is jointly funded by federal and state governments and has significantly more eligibility criteria than Medicare, criteria which vary from state to state. As a result, many individuals whose income and financial assets appear to entitle them to Medicaid may not qualify; equally, those who have higher income and greater assets may qualify.

The rights of those in the program are tenuous. LINK

2. Medicare: Which Part? A, B, C, D? The answer to that simple question ISN'T. You should Google "Medicare Benefit Policy Manual". It's quite long and involved and it boils down to "How much do you make?" and many more questions. Your question seems simple, John but it isn't.

Actually, I believe the plan would be to administer the various options via the Medicare Apparatus.

"My stuff" is hardly mine at all...I collect things from all over and play around with them....btw...watch out for squirrels, they go fer the ... errrr...acorns.

I already have a machine and a mask. Machine was donated by my Mom and the mask my wife gave me. I just don't know how to setup the machine. I need to see the Doctor about that.

That's why you need the sleep study. If the diagnosis is confirmed, various settings are tried.

Catch 22.

Doc, I hate to go off topic (lol right!!) but I have a BIPAP machine that I am supposed to use. I can't seem to get used to it. I'm so "aware" of it, it keeps me awake. And when I do wear it, being a diabetic, I get a bad case of dry mouth, and throat, so that I stay awake taking the mask off to drink. I wear a full face mask, since I can't breathe through my nose.

Suggestions?

Jim, I think you can get a humidifier for your BiPAP machine.  You might have to get another sleep study to figure out the settings for the humidifier but I know I've transcribed reports where others in your condition had the same problems and the answer was a humidifier.

It has one, Karen. Problem is, if I heat it up much, I get stifled. I need cool air to breathe. I keep it 66 degrees F in my house as it is. My wife complains that I keep it too cold for her, but I need cold, I can't sleep with heat. So I need to breathe cool air, using the humidifier, which I do, at a low setting, don't help. If I raise the settings, I get stifled and panic.

Part of the problem is that diabetics suffer dry mouth anyway. My BIPAP is set at 19 psi in, 15 psi out. Very high pressure. Sleep study showed that I stopped breathing at an average of 46 times per hour! Hence the high setting.

 

Yeah....stop using it!

Suggestions? Yep. I'll pm you. The first one is: Never listen to that nut WebGizmos...a thoroughly seditious, contentious and maniacal skinner. Also a great guy. He does the work of three men: Larry, Curly and Moe.

Realize I have to remain "general" because I've never taken your medical history (and won't do it in a public forum) nor examined you (never in a public forum...lol) and because doing that could possibly incurr liability, because I didn't "see you" and do what MD's have to do to evaluate a patient and that would violate the Canon of Ethics...I hope you understand also that the machine might not be set optimally or might not be functioning correctly. The former should be addressed by a Pulmonologist, the latter can be checked by a Respiratory Supply Co.

Also there are a wide variety of masks....the Pulmonologist usually can be trusted to help you with the right one.

Re the heat problem...sometimes lengthening the tubing helps with that. I'm telling a redneckdude about tubing and cooling things? LOL...you got a 'still maybe? That's the principle, though. There are also cool air humidifier options, I think. LINK. Looks interesting.

Hey....why not create a "Medical Dx" (That's the way we abbreviate the word diagnosis, btw).

This thread lost it's formatting and is fubar with FireFox at Reply # 112. In IE8 it retains it's format.

Jim, that sucks.

Lack of sleep will make your life miserable. I know, due to a fractured L4 in my back I only get 4 hours a night.

Maybe an adequate painkiller at bedtime would help...or if you awaken for another reason, to take one then? That's a pretty painful problem, CG.

* doc asks should I be starting a "Medical Advice Column" ? 

 

 

I had decided to not post or leave comments anymore but this has got my blood up.