No, I'd rather see the jobs go to honest Americans. I would rather see them GO HOME (are you in the 'listen' mode yet?). They cannot 'earn'enough to cover their cost. That's the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

And I'd like to see that going to honest, American citizens. No prisoner gets paid on a Federal Employee pay scale. That's not only unbelievable, it downright wacky.

Or what you believe are "the facts".

I have little faith in my government and congress.  I am surprized that someone used Wiki for actual research, it is more hearsay.

Highlight below to read my take on (illegals issue).  I put it on this color because it is WAY off track from the aticle refered to in these commets.

My 2 cents...(illegals) stop wasting money on wars that are not handled well at all (Recent conflicts) and losing  wooden crates of money.  Then we can start taking a look at our borders.

If we can't solve a illegal aliens coming to our own border illegally why are we so interested in fighting wars everywhere else?  Take Care of our home before we mess other peoples homes/lives  up.

Then, improve our actual agencies (FBI, CIA, National Guard, etc) then get rid of Homeland Security/Defense.  National Guard is ONLY for our nations Defemce NOT to be sent over to Iraq or AAfganistan. 

FBI are invertigators of our highest level in our own country.  Improve their department so that they have a more people on their payscale to patrol our borders where needed. 

We'd also have and surplus money to spend on improving the borders through practicle means or other ways.  Imagine if we can improve the FBI CIA, and National Guard how much better our borders will be without ANY needs for a overlapping, redundent agency known as Homeland Security.  We really have so many redudent agencies in our country  that are so useless that the country needs to look at if they are being effective.  We improve our current agencies and get rid of the agencies that overlap each other that make things more confusing and double standards.   Our agencies will also be able to react quicker as they don't need to go tyhrough so many different department/opther agencies.

Why is that text white, I can hardly see it. >_<

I had the same problem 'til I put on my Elton John designed rode coloured glasses... then I could read every word without a problem.

Basically, Zolop was saying that the US is over-governed, over-administrated and losing control over important domestic issues for others that arent.

Same here in Oz... don't matter which Party's in Office, we are over-governed and have a huge bureaucracy that takes eons to accomplish anything and couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery..

Bebi...highlight it and you will be able to read it. The poster did it this way as he (or she) thinks it is off topic.

I've noticed an assumption that most esoteric systems seem to take for granted.  It's so fundamental that it's hard to state and even harder to challenge, but one way of putting it might be that if things can be divided into a small number of categories, then those categories must be equal, balanced, and symmetrical. Equality, balance, and symmetry are taken as a description:  people assume that things in the world really are equal, balanced, and symmetrical by nature.
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I agree with paratid you cant't show an wiki article as proof , I certainly accept that wiki is great source of information.

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shinyallard

Are those the Jack Kerouac glasses?

Trust you to pick up on my typos... Zubish, it seems, has penetrated deep into the fabric of Stardock society, so with the edit button often MIA or AWOL, even the best of us are gonna get sprung, having performed uneditable Zubisms.

As for the glasses, they were rose coloured Elton john specials... which obviously means I never wear them in public. 

I thought I read somewhere (in Wikipedia?) that the Bush administration was paying Mexico under the "Rent a Peasant" program to bring illegals into the US in order to destabilize the economy. Something about making this another third world country or something like that. An unnamed source indicated that the ten million plus immigrants save businesses billions of dollars in underpaid wages, health benefits, vacation and sick leave while continuing to charge the middle class the expenses (taxes) of all the other legal activities against the illegals such as deportation and/or incarceration and placing more Americans on the unemployment line.

another anonymous source stated that this coupled along with the billions being spent on war and the recent upsurge in home ownership by the banking industry will help to eradicate the middle class altogether. Thus bringing about a more acceptable societal model of "haves" and "have nots".

While all of this is tongue in cheek, there may be some truth in this. It does seem that the current administration is hell bent upon bankrupting this country. With all of the recent failures in the banking/investment industry I hope that all of you young bucks and buckettes can see why privitization of the social security benefits would have been a bad thing.

anyone want to discuss Walmart??

Where does the US Constitution say that it only applies to citizens?

Aye, Capn  Been dry so long, me mind cant help but wit me.

You and ParaTed2K seem to be in a contest to become the least civil person in the forums. You're entitled to your opinion and to express it politely. 

You are not entitled to abuse others.

You sure you got the right thread?

Well it seems t' I, then, us'd better git tha Sister afloat n' waylay a rum trader fer 'e.

little whip... this comment/attitude is provocative and antagonistic, not to mention arrogant and totally unnecessary.  If your forum participation must revolve around trying to upset people to get a rise, then perhaps you should seek elsewhere to practice the sport.  You may think this does not violate the JU ToU, but it does (constitutional rights do not extend to abusing others on a privately owned site) and is NOT welcome on JU or any of the other Stardock forums.

Yeah, I know, I'll be next on your hit list,, but I recommend against it and propose you consider a more demeanor in your communications with others on these forums.

I've always been a sort of out there person so just to let you know, I've passed this up to the mods. I hope others take the hint and do so also.

Done!

While heated debates are more than welcome, everyone please refrain from personal attacks as they are against site rules.

You can attack the commets at hand, not those posting them.

Damn!  I had a real abomb for you.  SO where do you want me to dump it?

I think Zu has a repository for such items, well guarding such bombs as my last attempt at a wallpaper, zebra striped pants, etc..

That's not nice, HG. Poor Zu's been copping a bit of flak from all corners just lately... and now you're proposing the Doc hinder his ability to sit down.

There's actually no difference the adjective is ascribed to the same pronoun.  The rest is inflection.  JAFOCHECK

little-whip,

you know, you are welcome here. While I might disagree with content, I now understand that your discussions are based on personal experience. I had always felt that your posts were well thought out and when I could cut through the "other" stuff, does provide food for thought.

thank you for sharing your personal experience, it allows me to better understand what your're so pissed about. I bumped that other one up to the mods cause I thought you were just trolling, I didn't realize that you were venting. vent away, it does help.

actually, big ex-biker