I agree.

(But I hear he once drove by a mosque. Surely that means something!)




How long do I have to know you before I can call you a dumb ass? Is three weeks enough? Because I'm seriously impatient. Of course, technically I didn't call you specifically a dumb ass. I just kinda threw it into the wind, if you went chasing after it and pinned it to your shirt, I'm not convinced I can be held responsible.




Touché.


I'm bored and being curmudgeonly. Using a sharp stick to poke at people on the Internet is cheap entertainment.

Oh yeah? I hear yo momma once drove by a mosque. Muslim!

It would help if I could have three wives. I'm so bad at choosing just one of anything.

I'll pass. I can't even seem to keep one happy long enough to keep her around.

It depends on what your definition of love is.  I do love my neighbor no matter what nationality, gender, sexual or political preference. 

Love has nothing to do with highly charged emotion.  Love is an action word.  Love means going above and beyond feelings to do for another. 

That's not what we're dealing with here.  We're discussing whether or not we should vote for Obama in the next Presidential election.  This has nothing to do with love. 

Now for whomever said I was lying when I said he didn't salute the flag and had his hands down to his side.  Here's the video you might want to check out. It's disturbing to see how excited he is for African causes but can't lift his hand to his heart  to show his love for THIS country.  For me, this is all I have to see to tell you, NOPE, I can't vote for Obama.  Honestly can you? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo

 

As I said in my last post, i'm not American, and i'm not trying to criticise anybody in particular here. However, from an outsiders perspective this obsession with the flag and the pledge of allegiance and flagpins and so on and so forth seems quite odd. Could anyone help explain it to me? I understand a politician needing to show some affection for the country (I can hear it in the rhetoric of every obama speech just as I can with every mccain speech), why does it need to be shown in such a narrowly-defined way?

Also KFC, I know you used it as a comparison but African causes affect the lives of millions of impoverished people. If Obama shows any interest in that continent, he would be the first President to do so.

Back to Zoomba who wished to have words that came out of Obama's mouth instead of actions showing his alegience to anything but America.  I think the above video is quite vivid in demonstrating his actions along with some pics I found of him in Africa quite animated with bullhorn in campaigning there in 06.  Anyhow here's some direct quotes. 

On Islam

"The person that made me the proudest of all tho, was (half brother) Roy.  He converted to Islam"  Dreams From My Father

"In Indonesia I spent two years at a Muslim school"  Dreams From My Father

"I studied the Koran."  Dreams From My Father

 

woops hit the wrong button...to continue

"I looked to Lolo (a Muslim- his stepfather) for guidance"  The Audicity of Hope

"My whole family was Muslim and most of the people I knew were Muslim" -Obama's sister

"Of course not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern.  In the wake of 9/11 my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality for the stories of detentions and FBI  questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging.  They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reasurrances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japenese internments during WWII and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"  pg 261 The Audacity of Hope

On Geography

"It is wonderful to be back in Oregon.  Over the last 15 months we've traveled to every corner of the United States.  I've now been in 57 states.  I think one left to go.  Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go even though I really wanted to visit but my staff would not justify it."  Speech in May 2008

On Why Clinton was leading in Kentucy from a Lexington Newspaper

"What it says is I'm not very well known (even he admits this) in that part of the country.  Sen. Clinton, I think is much better known coming from a nearby state of Arkansas.  So it's not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of these states in the middle.  -Lexington Herald Leader, May 2008

SINCE WHEN IS ARKANSAS CLOSER TO KENTUCKY THAN ILLINOIS????

Check any map and you'll see the border KY shares with IL.  Arkansas DOES NOT border Kentucky.  Obama, for those who don't know comes from IL. 

 

Now there will be, my guess, alot of what Obama has said come back to haunt him now that the primaries are over.  You wait.  He's said an awful lot that should make every American sit up and take notice.  Especially in his books like above.   But what do you know about his wife Michelle? 

You may want to check out her senior thesis out from Princeton in 1985.  It's all about the Black Community and is very racist.  I'd be willing to bet she wears the racist pants in the family from what I've read.  Her maiden name was Michelle LaVaughn Robinson. 

She clearly identifies herself as a separatist.  Here's just an excerpt...and don't get all mad at the Republican party when they bring all this to the forefront.  She said:

  "There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. " 

Sounds pretty close to what Obama said in his own book.... I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"

Our President and First Lady should not be about race but about being an American first and foremost and I'm afraid with the video, pictures I've seen the last few days and by his own words, I'm not seeing it. 

 

That would be a matter of opinion. SO not a lie, just an interpretation.



That is in his book. If it is a lie, it is Obama's.



Again, a matter of interpretation. Some may think that "God F*ck America" is not hate. Others would disagree.

I see interpretations based upon biases, but no lies that you have pointed out.

Thanks Doc.  You're exactly right.  So far, no one has proven anything written here is a lie.  I can clearly see the bias line drawn down the middle of the sand. 

Again, I'm not out to get Obama.  It may look that way because I'm posting some not so positive stuff but I really knew very little about him and nobody could give me info until I started looking closer on the net and his own books. 

I also see people getting all excited about nothing.  They're all excited about this man who promises change.  Ok.  But what is this change?  Nobody knows.  I'm thinking this is NOT going to be a good thing. 

What I'm seeing repeatedly is his words do NOT match his actions and I think we all should pay attention to this.  We need to take off the rosy glasses and do a bit of squinting.  Something just doesn't meet the eye. 

What's going on over there breaks my heart.  It really does.  Actually when I saw the price tag attached recently to these primaries it made me angry because if they really wanted to do a good thing they could have taken the millions/billions of dollars and invested it in people all over the globe who are hurting.  

I have a girl named Ellen I support monthly with money and letters who lives in Uganda.  I support World Vision and Compassion and would love it if every JUer could take a child to support.  It's no more than $35 a month for one child depending on which organization you support. 

Now, I wouldn't have a problem with Obama's Africian/black interest, but it's, from what I see, not a healthy interest as President.  Maybe he should go over there to be an Ambassador or humanitarian worker, and leave the Presidency to one who has America's best interest at heart.   I'm just wondering if he isn't just using the position as President to further his own agenda that he and his wife seem to have concerning Africa and the black causes. 

 

If you look back at my original quote I was mostly just joking but also trying to stress that the smear crap is mostly irrelevant because @#$% flows both ways and what actually matters is the issues.

Unfortunately since the GOP has brought things so far to the right and into another age of the robber baron that they really can't disuss the true issues of the day.

Actually, that would be the democrats. They brought up these issues. Now that the primaries are over with, the republicans have just started asking the same questions.

Whe

Its actually mostly the bloggers and zealots on talk radio and spin tv that bring in the smear. These people aren't democrats or republicans...they are sheep.

This is true.  The Republicans up until this point really didn't have to do much.  Hillary's camp and Obama's camp were going at each other and the Republicans were on the sidelines.  Now that will, of course, change as the two face off with each other. 

Let the fun begin.....NOT! 

If McCain is to win, he's got to get the Christian vote and McCain seems to understand that becasue he's already met with Catholic leaders in an effort to cadge their support.

He talked about the "stark contrast" between himself and Obama. On life issues, he said be believes the unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness apply to the unborn and if elected he would maintain that commitment...while Obama voted against the ban on late-term abortions.

He said he would defend marriage but wants that taken up with the states first. Music to my ears was that IF a radical judge rules all states must recognize Massachusetts homosexual "marriage" laws, then he'd be in favor of a Constitutional amendment.

On marriage, when push comes to shove, he doesn't impress me as having the character to stand on the traditional side of marriage. In other words, he'd cave in to political expediency.

He needs more than just the "christian" vote not to mention many...maybe most christians do not base their vote on the abortion issue alone...if at all.

Civil marriage and religious marriage are two very different things. I respect your opinion about marriage as a whole but why is it that the GOP has to try to CHANGE state constitutions to deny CIVIL marriage?

In any case the civil marriage issue is mostly benign this election. The GOP will not have enough seats in congress to push the issue anywhere so anything done about it would be in the form of potential civil law suits that may make it to the Supreme Court Lvl. They may try to include the issue in specific states but that is mostly about get more reps out of bed and into the voting booth.

Personally i can't muster up the courage to vote based on the abortion issue since the same vote leads to the taking of innocent life as well.

Gotta love it. The truth comes out!

oh please SC. Be serious. Just read her 1985 thesis from Princton and leave the cartoons for the kiddies.  ;p 

I'm voting for Ralph Nader.

Also, I think I'm going to research Islam and we'll see exactly how evil a religion it is, because from what I remember of my ninth grade study of religions, there's nothing in the basic beliefs of Islam that says, "kill all Americans and anyone who doesn't believe in the Koran."

That'll be a fun game. Maybe I'll write an article with my findings.

No maybe about it.  (:(  This is a sad truth....and that's why the abortion mills have been busy ever since 1973. This Catholic though knows the Church regards abortion as well as embryonic stem cell research as "intrinsically evil", a sin against the Commandment of God, "thou shalt not kill." As for Obama, he heartlessly voted to deny health care for babies born alive who survived an abortion. That's evil and on that one issue alone, Christians should not vote for him. Human life is sacred and direct attacks on innocent life are never morally acceptable.



If you'll check, I think you'll find it was not Republicans, but Democrats in states such as Vermont, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and California who demanded same-sex civil unions which grant the same legal benefits as civil marriage.




Last month, in California we learned civil unions is not enough...the California Supreme Court decided to redefine marriage to include homosexuals. This means starting June 17, homosexuals from all over the country can go to California, get married, and go back to their home state...and guess what...file a federal lawsuit demanding that their state recognize them as married.

Oh ya, this could very well force the candidate's position on homosexual "marriage".


It's mainly GOP conservatives who recognize that it takes a state constitutional amendment defining the institution of marriage as between a man and a woman as the only way to keep traditional marriage, traditional.

Yes it was but what i was referring to are the states that have suggested or initiated attempts to rewrite their own states constitutions so that they may say same-sex marriage is unconstitutional. Mass, Vt, and Ca. simply passed laws which have since been challenged in court. They did not attempt to rewrite their states constitution. There is a huge difference...It's called circumventing the judicial system.



That is correct as it should be. What do you suggest? Eliminating the countries judicial system or do you think rewriting a state's or the US Constitution is more appropriate? I can't wait until a case gets to the U.S Supreme Court so voters can finally start concentrating on the real issues of the day.

And I thought he was from Jackass Flats, Nv.

What?

The country always had marriage law as between a man and a woman..that is up until

activist judges over stepped their bounds and started (unconstitionally)legislating law from the bench.

Now, as a result, same-sex "marriages" have been demanded of the people. The only remedy for those who want traditional marriage is a state constitutional amendment.

With state lawsuits galore, same-sex "marriage" is bound to end up before the US Supreme Court...and this will then be the time if traditional marriage is to be retored, for a federal marriage amendment.