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This weekend we're back on GalCiv so that we can get an update up hopefully Tuesday or Wednesday of next week.

The main thing we're doing is fixing that annoying research behavior where after awhile, the research gets too expensive.  What's really ironic is that we added in the new algorithm in response to those who felt research was too cheap.  So we made research get correspondingly more expensive near the end of development. 

Now, bear in mind, you can change the research rate but we're just not satisfied with the research pacing in the game so twilight will get a tweak to that next week.

 

Update: Based on feedback in this thread, we're going to expand a bit on what we were going to put into the update to deal with a few additional issues so it won't come out until next week but it'll be a much bigger update.

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Reply #126 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I just dont get it.

Lets say you would buy a washing machine with a manufacturing problem, and you go back to the shop the next day to use your garanty. When you come there you get the message, yeah sorry we know there is a problem, but we are busy creating a new washing machine. This will take about 7 weeks, but after that we will surely fix yours.What would you say? "Oh ok guys, no problem. As long as you are working hard and you will make a nice washing machine in the meantime".


Let's say you buy a washing machine from a company whose service has been, over a long time, twenty times better than service from other washing machine companies. But this time, the service is only ten times better. Do you whine incessantly about how what is still some of the best service in the industry is somehow going to make you only buy washing machines from companies that have even worse service?

Apparently, *YOU* do. I don't, though. I'd rather an issue like TA getting dumped for 7 weeks immediately after release so Stardock can meet other deadlines not happen again, but I also recognize that sometimes, things happen. If you buy PC games expecting good service, you're doomed to disappointment. Unless you buy from Stardock, in which case you may sometimes still suffer disappointment, but most of the time you won't. Leaving TA out in the cold for 7 weeks after release was a bad idea. I won't argue with that. But if you seriously think this lowers Stardock's service level even to the level of merely "above average" in the PC industry, you're smoking something you probably don't want your momma to find out about.
Reply #127 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I'd rather an issue like TA getting dumped for 7 weeks immediately after release so Stardock can meet other deadlines not happen again, but I also recognize that sometimes, things happen.


And besides - those of us who are looking forward to Political Machine '08 want our game already. You all were the ones who wanted them to keep adding features into TotA or it would have been out last November, remember?

We wanted more. They gave us more. No need to bitch about it because you don't like the way they gave us exactly what we asked for.
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Reply #128 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
in a game without tech victory.


I don't understand people who disable victory conditions in these strategy games. What's the point?
Reply #129 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Personally I disable the Ascension victory. This victory condition isn't my favorite. What usually happens in games where it isn't disabled is about the time I am switching over from colony rush to tech advancement, I all of the sudden I need to go into war mode with whomsoever has chosen to ascend. While this may be as intended, it isn't what I play the game for.

Which is why I love the guys at Stardock so much. They make customizable games for my taste.
Reply #130 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
No patch on Stardock Central yet. Stardock has been early with patches in the past. Therefore, this time we should all consider them to be late. Only 10x better than other game developers/publishers, as one clever poster noted. :p

(Can anyone imagine how good MOO3 would be if Atari had supported it like GalCiv2 has been supported? The games are very different conceptually, but I think they'd give each other a run for each other's money...)
Reply #131 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
(Can anyone imagine how good MOO3 would be if Atari had supported it like GalCiv2 has been supported? The games are very different conceptually, but I think they'd give each other a run for each other's money...)
Can anyone imagine how good MOO3 would've been if it were nothing but an absolutely straight remake of MOO2 with prettier graphics?

I'd buy that game. Heck, I'd buy that exact concept every few years.

Barring that, I'll settle for the exceptional coolness of GalCiv.

Now, where's mah patch? ^_^

Reply #132 from Stardock Forums Top
Which way is the MCC being fixed? So it works as originally intended (culture flipping) or just so the (over?)powerful 100% econ bonus works again?
Reply #133 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Let's say you buy a washing machine from a company whose service has been, over a long time, twenty times better than service from other washing machine companies. But this time, the service is only ten times better. Do you whine incessantly about how what is still some of the best service in the industry is somehow going to make you only buy washing machines from companies that have even worse service?


Or how about this: Normally the company sends over a repair person to fix the washing machine, and it usually takes 15 minutes to arrive and 10 minutes to repair your machine.

Well, this time a part needs to be replaced that the repair person doesn't have on hand, and he'll have to drive to a nearby shop to pick up the part. He tells you it's going to take 35 minutes because he has to drive there and back and it'll take 5 minutes to find the part and buy it. He even says forget any extra charges, he'll pay for the part himself. You agree, and he heads to the shop.

10 minutes after he leaves, you call him and tell him he's fired.

You then call a different company that says they'll have a technician in your area in about a week, and after a month you find out they're only fixing new machines they've created in the last three days.

Then you call the original company back saying you've made a mistake, and demand you want your washing machine finished in five minutes, ignoring that the technician is now working on the washing machine of another customer an hour away.

. . . oh, the arrogance of it all.

It's a very awkward metaphor to try to use, though: I really don't think a washing machine is comparable to software.
Reply #134 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
It's been just over five weeks (I don't know where the seven weeks mentioned by one came from) since TA launched, and Brad said *at that time* that we wouldn't be able to get a patch out until now. So it's hard to see how some people can take such grave offense at something which was already planned and announced some time ago. We've been nothing but open about exactly what's going on.


Like it or not, us as consumers don't give a shit about the reasons behind it.

When my gas prices go up, do I give a fuck about the excuses the oil companies made?

Just because you have a scapegoat doesn't mean it's okay.
Reply #135 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Wow... just... wow...

I suppose even Stardock has to attract some of the selfish, assinine, me first, frell the rest of the world type gamers out there, but Fluxx, you definetly represent the cream of that crop.

Do the rest of the community a favor and take your lame-ass, self-absorbed, ungrateful jackass presence somewhere else, because you certainly are lowering the average post quality around here by several orders of magnitude, all by yourself.

To the devs, from a long time lurker, thanks for the extra effort in getting this fixed as time allowed, definetly looking forward to the next big patch you are able to kick out once PM2008 is released. In the meantime, don't forget to take a little time off to yourselves... no good having you guys get sick, exhausted, or kidnapped by aliens before you can sweeten your games up even further *evil grin*


I'm a customer you idiot. Stardock isn't doing me, or anyone, a FAVOR by patching a broken game. They aren't a stranger stopping to help me change a tire on the side of the road. They're the manufacturers of the tire sending out a recall 2 months after it blew up - because it's THEIR FAULT.

Do they have to patch it? No, but that'd hurt them more than it'd hurt me. If a developer doesn't patch a game, they're worthless assholes. If they do patch it, they're doing what they're EXPECTED to do. I fail to see the point in showering them with praise after two months of a broken, worthless game. If they release a patch jammed with content as well as large updates, that's praiseworthy.

You dare call us (yes, I considered the game utterly broken. I play immense / very slow research and focus on research) selfish and ungrateful? Why should I be on my knees praising Stardock for FINALLY fixing a bug they threw in via an untested, undocumented launch-day patch that us beta testers knew nothing about? Why should I be grateful that the RELEASE version is finally nearly as playable as the BETA version was? Please tell me!

In the end, and here's a lesson about life for you, negativity ultimately promotes change. Optimism will never change anything. People like you make me sick.
Reply #136 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Let's say you buy a washing machine from a company whose service has been, over a long time, twenty times better than service from other washing machine companies. But this time, the service is only ten times better. Do you whine incessantly about how what is still some of the best service in the industry is somehow going to make you only buy washing machines from companies that have even worse service?


So if you knew a guy and got along great with him for 15 years, and then one night he rapes you, it's cool because you had some great times?
Reply #137 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
So if you knew a guy and got along great with him for 15 years, and then one night he rapes you, it's cool because you had some great times?


Uranium - Bravo!

I couldn't agree with you more on every single one of your points.

Reply #138 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Hey gang,

Just wanted to keep you all updated. Looks like the official update won't be this week :(  

I wont/can't go into the details, but the build is ready, we're just waiting for word from the big man (Brad's in Seattle visiting GPG) as to to possibility of posting an 'Alpha' zip for you guys to test (again, not much to test, but just to make sure the kinks are smoothed out). Then, early next week, we'll post the official build once the server side is ready to go.

Thanks for your paticence, and I'll be back tomorrow with more info.
-ScottT

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Reply #139 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Thanks for your paticence, and I'll be back tomorrow with more info.
-ScottT


Thanks for the INFO Boogie !!!

Now no one say any thing bad !!!! at least he said some thing !!!
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Reply #140 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

 

and then one night he rapes you,

:SURPRISED:  Did you just compare the 'reseach bug' to being raped?!

Consider my mind blown.

 

Reply #141 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
So, Uranium - 235,

You are talking of rape ? About a bug that hasn't been fixed for 5 weeks ?
...
Wow. That's... I'm speechless.
Reply #142 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Never mind GalCv2, I want to know when Brad will be coming over to my place and fixing my broken washing machine. I haven't done laundry in weeks!
Reply #143 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
So if you knew a guy and got along great with him for 15 years, and then one night he rapes you, it's cool because you had some great times?


And with that, your analogy leaps boldy off the slippery slope. Seriously, comparing a bug in a game with sexual assault? TA could erase your entire hard drive and fry your computer, and the comparison would still be ludicrous.
Reply #144 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
/ignore Hyperbolic Troll
Reply #145 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Guys, relax - It's Uranium. He's basically made himself the comic relief at this point, albeit a Jerry Springer style of comedy. More sad than anything else.
Reply #146 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
 and then one night he rapes you,
  Did you just compare the 'reseach bug' to being raped?!
Consider my mind blown.
 


Actually, I was more taking the twisting of the washing machine analogy to intentionally ridiculous heights, hence why I quoted it. The analogy of being told to wait to get your machine fixed while they build a new one for you to buy instead was apt. Applying the whole 'history means its okay' thing behind it was not.
Reply #147 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Guys, relax - It's Uranium. He's basically made himself the comic relief at this point, albeit a Jerry Springer style of comedy. More sad than anything else.


A style to be sure. I would not limit it to Springer. I find most comedians today have to resort to sarcasm and cursing to elicit a laugh. If that fails then they bring out the bathroom humor (fart jokes).

I am bummed as everyone else. And yes, the off estimates and delays are new facet to Stardock. Clearly they are busy and doing everything they can to keep their heads above the water. I am sure adjustments will be made even if that means communicate less detail so the disenfranchised have less ammo. I for one know that when they do patch things up it will be a good patch.

Reply #148 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I'm just going to ignore Uranium from now on, I hope everyone else does the same.

I want my alpha... I can haz plz?
Reply #149 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
In the end, and here's a lesson about life for you, negativity ultimately promotes change. Optimism will never change anything.


Neither promotes change.

You see, a pessimist complains about the wind. An optimist hopes it will change.

A realist adjusts the sails.

A style to be sure. I would not limit it to Springer. I find most comedians today have to resort to sarcasm and cursing to elicit a laugh. If that fails then they bring out the bathroom humor (fart jokes).


Tell me about it. A former coworker of mine played some "comedian" who spent half the skit whining about how people don't like his skits (and how he doesn't care), and the other half filled with the worst humor I've ever heard in my life. No thanks, I'll pass on that stuff and listen to reruns of Bill Cosby instead.

BTW, what is GPG?