Sorry to Say, But....

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Ive read a lot of post of people complaning that this game crashes to much, or that it is to easy, or its not balanced, and frankly everything else under the sun.  The truth is, from my point of view at least, is that most of these people are complaining because this is not the game they expected.  Unfourtunetly, I fall into that category.  This game, although fun to play for bits at a time, is not what I was expecting and in a way I am dissapointed. 

Don't ask me where I got this from, but when I first read about this game I was thinking it would have much more 4x attributes to it.  I mean a realtime 4x isnt exactly new, Imperium Galactica II is an example of this, although not perfect one.  This game, to me, is simply a super massive RTS, with everything found in an RTS expanded ten times and no one can argue that with me. I mean a 4X game is more than the explore, exterminate, expand, and whatever the last one is.  A 4X game is about good diplomacy system, balancing resources, managing your population and ledgers, and that overall feeling of controlling an empire. 

I guess my point is, is that I thought this game was gonna have more 4X features in it.  I still like the game, but it was not the ultimate collaboration of the 4X genre and the RTS genre.  But i must say that SINS is the first game in a long long time heading in the right direction.  I guess my hope is, in the next few years when the sequel comes out it will introduce more 4X stuff. 

Ok thats my rant, probably didnt make much sense, and I aint gonna proof read it. Just would like to here what people think about this.  Don't tell me to download the DEMO first either, I learned that lesson already

 

 

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top
download the demo first.
Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top
Wait... You said all of this without playing the game?

Wow.
Ashes of the Singularity II
Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top
LOL yea , but he is spot on tho.

I would like to see a move towards a more 4x style game maybe in Sins 2 , but not because I hate RTS ,on the contrary I love RTS, but there are other games to suit my RTS needs.
Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top
if im not mistaken in one of the upcomin patches they are gonna make it possible to build and sell the structures on the planets.
I could be wrong though.

i read something about this in a some topic a few days back.
I cant find the topic though but i believe the post had some pics too.
So if anyone else got the link plz post it ;)
Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top
Don't tell me to download the DEMO first either, I learned that lesson already


You learned nothing since you did not even play this game at all.
Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top
I'm sorry, but if you haven't even played the game, any word about it has absolutely no validity at all.

- PR-0927
Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top
Umm, the OP didn't say anywhere that he hasn't played the game yet, infact, I got the distinct impression that he HAS played the game...
Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top
I dont know whether or not the OP has played the game. But regardless, I find myself whole heartedly agreeing with him. While I do enjoy sins (enough to buy 4 copies so far) it could have been alot more then it is. The rts elements are where they need to be, but overall this game lacks ALOT of 4x features (diplomacy, espionage, random events and basically anything that doesnt have to do with fighting). Part of the novelty of a 4x game is the sense of accomplishment you feel when you go from a 1 planet backwater to a sprawling empire. All you get in sins is planetary ship stop number 128936232 on your way to the victory screen. I know that may seem harsh but i honestly do enjoy the game for what it is. But that doesnt stop me from wishing it was something else.
Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top
I think that many of the items on your wishlist are slated for the first expansion pack. ;)
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Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top
I would like to see a move towards a more 4x style game maybe in Sins 2 , but not because I hate RTS ,on the contrary I love RTS, but there are other games to suit my RTS needs.

QFT :D

I think that many of the items on your wishlist are slated for the first expansion pack.

Awesome :CONGRAT:
Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top
I agree, to a point. Not that I was misled, but that I would like to see more done with the non-combat side of the game. We all have improvments we want to see, I think that diplomacy, trade, etc. is one of the weakest aspects of the game, and therfore could use some attention in future patches and expansions. That being said, I have seen amazing improvments in some games, thru the use of patches and exp. to the point of adding an entire new level of gameplay. (Crafting in D2 changed everything, and that was done thru a patch, as well as the syns.)
Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top
I agree, to a point. Not that I was misled, but that I would like to see more done with the non-combat side of the game. We all have improvments we want to see, I think that diplomacy, trade, etc. is one of the weakest aspects of the game, and therfore could use some attention in future patches and expansions. That being said, I have seen amazing improvments in some games, thru the use of patches and exp. to the point of adding an entire new level of gameplay. (Crafting in D2 changed everything, and that was done thru a patch, as well as the syns.)


I doubt this could happen through patches.

Anything overly complicated in depth added to the game now ,will disrupt the multiplayer scene that is already been established. 150 players online is actually quite alot when put into perspective.

This is because any added depth needs to be accomodated by slowing the game down because the player will be inundated with more stuff to do on top of what hes already doing.

Slowing the game down pushes the completion time of the game past the "2 hour" mark which is arbitarily what players online can put up with in an online match.

Maybe there is room for a bit of deepness , but not the sort of amount to meet expectations

Reply #14 from Sins Forums Top
Umm, the OP didn't say anywhere that he hasn't played the game yet, infact, I got the distinct impression that he HAS played the game...



Look at the last sentence.


Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top
The last sentence says that he doesn't want to hear 'download the demo' as a suggestion to avoid future disappointments.

This sentence...

This game, although fun to play for bits at a time, is not what I was expecting and in a way I am dissapointed.


suggests that he has played Sins.
Reply #16 from Sins Forums Top
Umm, the OP didn't say anywhere that he hasn't played the game yet, infact, I got the distinct impression that he HAS played the game...Look at the last sentence.


Yeah it says he hasn't played the demo...neither have I...but I've played the game...
Too much for you to comprehend?
Reply #17 from Sins Forums Top
After getting raped on star trek legacy this game is praticaly a godsend


Your right there. Anyone complaining about lack of content should look at that one, but some of the mods have made it a little better.

In Australia they published it without any copy protection, which was a good guess because no one would bother to pirate that one I would presume. And to think I pre-ordered with the manual as well.

Oh well it is a nice book to look at.

Cheers MarkL
Reply #18 from Sins Forums Top
Good to hear Yarlen. Im sure I'll be purchasing 4 of those as well.  :LOL: 
Reply #19 from Sins Forums Top
I think that many of the items on your wishlist are slated for the first expansion pack.


In other words, rather then taking care of the above laundry list of issues that SHOULD have been addressed either before launch or in the patches followng release, you're going to force your customers to BUY the expansion to fix your game? I wasn't aware Id need to spend more money for you to take care of the product that you should have fixed long ago since release.

Thanks for the warning, I will spend my money and time elsewhere. Ive learned a valuable lesson where Stardock and Co. are concerned.
Reply #20 from Sins Forums Top
I think that many of the items on your wishlist are slated for the first expansion pack.In other words, rather then taking care of the above laundry list of issues that SHOULD have been addressed either before launch or in the patches followng release, you're going to force your customers to BUY the expansion to fix your game? I wasn't aware Id need to spend more money for you to take care of the product that you should have fixed long ago since release.Thanks for the warning, I will spend my money and time elsewhere. Ive learned a valuable lesson where Stardock and Co. are concerned.


Like those cars that have updated features on that they DON'T recall and add free of charge? Those car guys SUCK! How dare they charge for new features!!

Or TVs! Damn it, this old 1 meter deep TV needs upgrading to a LCD, but they actualy charge a LOT OF MONEY for it rather than sending a man around to collect the old one and drop off a new one! WTF IS THAT??

Reply #21 from Sins Forums Top
I think that many of the items on your wishlist are slated for the first expansion pack.In other words, rather then taking care of the above laundry list of issues that SHOULD have been addressed either before launch or in the patches followng release, you're going to force your customers to BUY the expansion to fix your game? I wasn't aware Id need to spend more money for you to take care of the product that you should have fixed long ago since release.Thanks for the warning, I will spend my money and time elsewhere. Ive learned a valuable lesson where Stardock and Co. are concerned.



i agree i will pass this on to my buddies they told me Stardock and Co takes care of the Client less likely again i have learned my lesson i will take my money some were and buy a deff game
Reply #22 from Sins Forums Top
In other words, rather then taking care of the above laundry list of issues that SHOULD have been addressed either before launch or in the patches followng release, you're going to force your customers to BUY the expansion to fix your game? I wasn't aware Id need to spend more money for you to take care of the product that you should have fixed long ago since release.

Thanks for the warning, I will spend my money and time elsewhere. Ive learned a valuable lesson where Stardock and Co. are concerned.


i dont know if its because i got something in my eye, or that i havent slept for 24hours that i dont understand what your saying :p

From what ive been told there is a 1.05 patch on its way, and later a 1.1 patch as well, that will adresse with alot of the known problems.

It have nothing to do with the expansion
Reply #23 from Sins Forums Top
i dont know if its because i got something in my eye, or that i havent slept for 24hours that i dont understand what your saying From what ive been told there is a 1.05 patch on its way, and later a 1.1 patch as well, that will adresse with alot of the known problems.It have nothing to do with the expansion


I'm suffering sleep deprivation myself... I follow you though.

I haven't seen a post yet that compares any other popular games and their times to release their first patch or major update. Maybe I should... I think they're doing great. I also own other Stardock titles and have that experience to draw on too... please be patient. Either don't complain about the amount of pepper in the soup, or the preparation time for it... but not both; usually one depends inversely on the other in these cases.

I really still see SoaSE as it being in it's infancy. Given some of what we've seen here (stuff like those huge fleet pics, MultiAnna ;) ) I greatly suspect this game engine is easily scalable to larger settings etc.. but I also suspect the current base game mechanics (as in no mods/edits) were selected to give access to a wide variety of platforms, and more players.

The best is yet to come, I have faith ... and plenty of patience with the cooks here.
Reply #24 from Sins Forums Top
In other words, rather then taking care of the above laundry list of issues that SHOULD have been addressed either before launch or in the patches followng release, you're going to force your customers to BUY the expansion to fix your game? I wasn't aware Id need to spend more money for you to take care of the product that you should have fixed long ago since release.


Uh? The OP's complaint is that the game simply isn't what he hoped it would be. I fail to see how we can patch in the satisfaction of everyone's hopes and dreams of the perfect game; choices about the game's scope and features are not bugs.

Certainly we add stuff in patches for all of our games, but completely changing the gameplay to that degree is well beyond the realm of an update.


Reply #25 from Sins Forums Top
In other words, rather then taking care of
the above laundry list of issues that SHOULD have been addressed either
before launch or in the patches followng release, you're going to force
your customers to BUY the expansion to fix your game? I wasn't aware Id
need to spend more money for you to take care of the
product that you should have fixed long ago since release.Uh?
The OP's complaint is that the game simply isn't what he hoped it would
be. I fail to see how we can patch in the satisfaction of everyone's
hopes and dreams of the perfect game; choices about the game's scope
and features are not bugs. Certainly we add stuff in patches
for all of our games, but completely changing the gameplay to that
degree is well beyond the realm of an update.


The OP also mentions the fact that the game is not balanced or even remotely fair in online play (regardless of what you think of single player), that the issue of minidumping which STILL continues (happened to me twice last night) despite several patches already, and other debilitating crashes and bugs that make online gameplay horific at best. Add in the Advent bug and the above, all mentioned COUNTLESS times on these forums, and you have my point. I find it disappointing that you would act in this fashion, glossing over the glaring problems with the game and omitting half of his paragraph and only addressing the part that made your expansion look good. Again, I shouldnt have to pay for a game to work properly a second time around. Hell, its enough I paid ONCE and it hasn't been addressed. If this is how your company is going to treat its product, and its playerbase, you wont be around very long. Itd be nice to discuss an expansion and the changes/additions to the game you'd like to make, but those conversations cannot and SHOULD NOT be taking place until you fix the game you've already put out.

300,000+ copies sold and 114 players online at prime time says more then any statement I could make on your forums. I highly doubt 299,886 players are playing the game solely in single player.