Well there is only one good response for that that comes to mind.

Since you have so much time for the forums today why not take the time to count the number of comments posted in this thread, only counting each person once, since the actual release of Hyperdesk and then add to that the comments you've gotten on the HD forums, adding back in the ones that had unwanted critiques and were hidden/deleted, and then compare the number of ones all out praising it to the ones that had criticism about the incomplete/unshown elements.

My guess is the percentage of complaints/critiques will be more than .1%.

Bebi: What exactly do you do here anyway besides insert snide remarks? Do you actually perform a function? Wait you art directed one time right? lol. Was it like... "put the pink thing over there"? I'm sure you were a big help. No doubt.

vstyler: You go into hyperdrive buddy and call me when a Fortune 100 company pays you over 300K to do a project. I'm mean really Let's see some of those real client jobs you brag about. Surely you have a portfolio up that shows your work and your clients. See we can do that....

Clients: WWW Link
Portfolio: WWW Link

No, that's right, you need to work on your theme for an upcoming competition. You go do that and we'll go get paid.

Like I said.. no show.   

As if any of you really counts as honest criticism. lol Sure zakai, we'll get right on that.

Are you still rambling about that competition? Guess what, most commercial artists don't enter website competitions because they're too busy earning a living doing art. But you don't have that problem do you?

And my god, do you have a crush on me or something? You're on my deviantART page like every 3 hours. I mean i don't blame you because hey, I am kind of cute, but really man you need to get over it, because i'm not leaving my wife for you.

Just looking at the 30 odd comments that come in 1 every six hours... not exactly setting the world on fire eh?

Jeff, when its all said and done.. I care about EVERYONE who uses my work, I can sleep at night and my family loves me.. you'll get paid alright..sooner or later.

It's not all about money in life or clients or portfolios..

Show, don't show, doesnt matter, you cant win it anyway. I garauntee it.

It's always amusing how the people who "have no time for this" always manage to spend so much time at it. And only to respond to and make childish remarks about people who are so important and a part of the same family/community or who don't mean shit, depending on which face they want to show at that second.

Could you get anymore pathetic? ;p

YAY TO THE FLAMING COMMENTS! :LOL:

All I see here are enormous over inflated egos on the rampage. Pathetic. Why don't you all go away and leave us skinners to get on with our hobby. You know, the hobby we do for fun.

Yeah, that's right 'fun' - look it up in a dictionary... 

Well considering we have about 5 times the pageviews you do, i guess you ain't either eh sport? And that's with me not uploading for well over a year when Jark was ousted.

Putting words in our mouths once again? Paste where either Billy or I EVER said we don't care about who uses our work. We spend 8 weeks on a theme because we care. No one spends the amount of time that we do on 1 theme. Alienware Invader took Billy around 10 weeks to create that WMP. So besides obnoxious we can tack on you're a liar.

Sure, we'll stop creating Hyperdesk themes so we can compete against you in a skinning competition haha. Right.

If you really want to compete with me then let's compare real stats. Hyperdesk.com was ranked 65K on Alexa today and we've been live for about 3 days? You don't even have a ranking yesterday. Really burning up the net aren't ya?

On deviantart your pageviews are about 1/5 of ours and we hardly upload.

Want to compare what our client gross was last year with yours?

So when you say we worry we can't win. What exactly are we talking about? Life or here on Wncustomize. You're not even close to being on our level. Man up and admit it. Some kudos on a skin site does not make you a king. It doesn't even mean your good. You're not really good until you have major companies entrusting you to put a face on their products. So go enter your competition cuz that's really what counts... isn't it?

f.., fun?

this is fun to me:

But Im not bragging about how succesful I am..you are..

Im just saying .. Im...just.. saying.. put your time\money where your mouth is and prove me wrong...beat me.. skin to skin..

thats all Jeff

Aww Jeff, so mean, you know I wanna have your babies you're just so awesome.

But yes...I collaborated on a Master Skin. Probably because he knew I would give honest feedback, I just have that kind of no-nonsense attitude (and have been told I have an eye for style and design, shrug). Am I a skinner? God no. Do I know how to make anything decent in PS? I'd be kidding myself. But do I know the basics of how a Windowblind is put together? Sure. I've tweaked enough in SKS to find my way around.

As for my function...I'm the "Grand Poobah of the Wiki." Yeah...for the past 4 years or so, on 2 different sites, I've been acting as support, helping people with stuff (IPB in the old days, skinning now). I've had to put up with a LOT of crap from n00bish twit kids over the years when I've just been offering help. Hell, in the past week I've been helping 3 people with their WordPress blogs because I'm familiar with it and they're just getting started (all this on top of my own). I like writing tutorials and explaining how to do all this fun customization stuff geared for the newbs. Why? Because I enjoy having a wicked looking desktop and want to help others feel the joy of it. "Those who can't do...teach," so that's what I try to do.

You know i tell myself i'm not going to get into a flame war and i just can't leave well enough alone. Okay self control. No more of this petty bulls**t. Only work. Bu bye.

That's right Bebi, you do the wiki. I forgot about that. I remember reading that awhile ago. So you do something. And here i thought they kept you around for that witty repartee

I'd give you a baby, if i wasn't all ready having one in... oh about 7 days.

..and you wonder why your reputation is toxic...   

Ok I wasn't going to get into this thing at all (but its been sooo much fun reading it). However this comment does in an abstract way pertain to me. Bebi was quite instrumental in the creation of the Crystalline. Probably on the same level as Jeff is on TSF stuff. She has been using skins for a very long time and has a very critical eye for what she does and doesn't like.

I'm not going into anything else in the 'flame war' 'FUB' or whatever else you want to call it. My opinion is vStyler has a point in that the free theme seems to lack some creativity on the buttons and other inner control points. It might have been a design decision and approved by the clients, thats all well and good. Its not my taste and obviously not that of some others as well. As for the lack of showing these elements in the screenshots, hey whatever, I don't care. I'm not the target clientele for the product either. I respect TSFs adventure into the 'quick skinning, theme management' realm... all the power and luck to you.

But, people are going to have an opinion and to say their 'opinion' is wrong is wrong in itself.

As for the competition... hell lets see KoL and Billy get in there under the TSF banner (or ever their own). Shouldn't take to long time skinning masters to whip something up right?

meh.., ok, lets try again:

this is fun to me:

KOL.. this was never really about you, ive said already I respect all of your past work, which is why i was befuddled to see what was released. No offense waqs intended to you, I have always thought u were a good guy and a good skinner. Art direction had to have accounted for something I think.

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Way to go Jeff, insult a lady on the way out.. classy.


Before I initiate my own self control and go to bed I just want to say that everything I have said stems from what you have said in the past Jeff.. Bragging on yourself isn't a crime but doing it at the expense of others shows extremely poor character.. it appears as if you want to bully your way around.. well.. people remember that.. and you can be assured no one appreciates it.. what they do appreciate is someone smackin' the bully back right between the eyes.

If your core attitude was better.. you would be even more successful than you are. As smart as you seem to be, you really fail in this area.


When all is said and done we are judged on what we do in life..what we do for others and how we treat them... not what we have accumulated. He who has most toys, never really wins.

Is this my first day?

This is a shot of my desktop and I gave credit were credit is due.

If you want to tell someone to take it down? Fine, but it's still a shot of my desktop. On my day off.

If I upload a "pink" Screenshot version, I guess that would be in violation also.

Please, feel free to use me as an example. No hard feelings...

Rotate image 90 degrees left - nice helmet.

Wow, I have to say I actually did and actually see...dammit.

Oh and Jesh, I just wondered who changed it is all, I forgot that I had copied the pic and pasted it, making it a hotlink as Jafo said. For some reason, I thought I had upped it to Imageshack...Makes sense though to have it this one instead of the misleading coming soon image. Thanks.

I hope the thread can stay somewhat civil...for all involved.  

Well this thread has certainly become interesting.  However, it has now gotten to the point of flaming and insults so it's time to drop a "friendly" reminder to keep this civil. 

I don't want to close this thread, but lets change the direction it's going in.

Just what I've been saying. Nobody will head it though...Shame because this was intended to be a friendly debate not a debacle.  :NOTSURE: