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Recruiting "Major" Clans

Recruiting "Major" Clans

We need a list of existing clans (the "real" clans that have a reasonably sized, active membership body) that happen to be recruiting. So far we have, in the order of whenever I got around to adding them...

Galactic Empire

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Clan Forum

A highly organized group of competitive players, with a large active player base.

Tag: [GE]
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Reply #101 Top
damn eastern time zones... I'm over in the pacific side and don't get off from work until 6-7 (9-10 est)

The lack of Clan Tags makes them less visible, which translates to being less recognizeable. So no one knows they exist... whereas when GE lines up for a game, people tend to notice it.


I'm also a member of eZ. IMO, Clan tags are really only useful when garnering attention on public matches. That's the only time people who care will see your tags. In inhouse games or clan matches, it's already understood that we're members of the clan.

While it's true that HuntingX may need to update the roster list on his eZ thread, the fact remains that the clan exists and that we are members of it. In all honesty, clan tags are cosmetic.

Also, you haven't seen us recruit because we're an invite only clan.

Regarding clan forums, what's the point? Sure we can make one, but it'd only be so that you "recognize us as a clan". We'd never use it. Please don't assume all clans adhere to the same organizational mediums as yours. In fact, there's a fully functional forum right here - the sins forum. HuntingX actively posts requests for clan matches so isn't that already enough evidence that we're active? A clan really just exists so that you can get to know other people who play the game and establish teamwork. Forums, clan tags, ranks, etc, are all just distractions from that fact.

Reply #102 Top
./bashes his head into the wall

Yes, your quite right that none of those things is what makes you a "proper" clan. But what they do do is make it a heck of a lot easier to believe you are a proper clan. Much easier than one person posting. Heck, an updated member list would probably be enough, if it had more than 4-5 people on it.

That said, why on earth would you want on the list if you aren't recruiting?
Reply #103 Top
@Ron - please put the ICO tags in your first post.
Reply #104 Top
@Ron - please put the ICO tags in your first post.


Sure, where they provided them.
Reply #105 Top
Hail all

Clan WarGazm ={GzM}= here
Our Moto: Our Pleasure is Your Pain!

Our clan has been mainly a FPS clan for awhile, but have recently moved to playing Sins. We have several members who have purchased the game and a few more considering getting it. We are not real active online at the moment as we just all purchased Sins and are currently learning the ins and outs of playing.


Members: McDugen, JesusHulkChrist, Searlon, Demios, Boogieman


Reply #106 Top
Hail allClan WarGazm ={GzM}= hereOur Moto: Our Pleasure is Your Pain! Our clan has been mainly a FPS clan for awhile, but have recently moved to playing Sins. We have several members who have purchased the game and a few more considering getting it. We are not real active online at the moment as we just all purchased Sins and are currently learning the ins and outs of playing. Members: McDugen, JesusHulkChrist, Searlon, Demios, Boogieman


Right at the moment, I've placed the cut off at 10 member guilds -- preferably those that are actively recruiting, and have an independent forum thread of their own.
Reply #107 Top
Well, I'd say we (as in [HH]) fit the mark. As of April 1st, we have 22 members (only about 18 are active, though)!
Reply #108 Top
The title is misleading. It should say "clans recognized by GE"
Reply #109 Top
The title is misleading. It should say "clans recognized by GE"


OK, I've posted the standards. Do you have a problem with them? If so, bring it up. Don't make silly comments that don't address the problem.

If, on the other hand, you have a problem with me, just go away.

As I've stated elsewhere, find someone else to take on this job, who people will accept doing it, and I'll gladly give the job over. Otherwise, I'm stuck with it.
Reply #110 Top
Ron Lugge, I'm also a member of Clan X (formally eZ). Follow this link: https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/306755

I believe at the moment we have 8-9 people... We *are* looking for more, but we have a very tight quality control for recruiting so that could be why you don't see us posting recruit messages on the forum.

Personally, I don't quite understand why 8-9 *active* people are not worthy of recognition while a 10-member clan who play much less frequently is recognized. But its your thread, your rules.

Frankly I don't really care whether clan X is recognized, we'll just keep doing our clan vs clan matches and posting replays...Which is something all clans should do IMO, but don't seem to.

-Drexion
Reply #111 Top
You were never stuck with this. Moreover, you have the hubris to claim the "voice" of the entire community - without actually asking people's opinions. You decide things on your own but make it appear to be a community decision.

Don't pretend the so called "responsibility" is a burden for you. You relish it.
Reply #112 Top
The title is misleading. It should say "clans recognized by GE"


That comment was wholly inappropriate and unwarranted. Ron is doing the job because I asked him to do it since I have to much going on with other community stuff. His activity here has NOTHING to do with his role in the GE.

He is a devoted community member that has been here since day one and is far more involved in doing stuff for the community then you know. He is here every day posting and helping people. So take your troll posts and go home.

If you want someone to blame for the policy then look at me.
Reply #113 Top
Personally, I don't quite understand why 8-9 *active* people are not worthy of recognition while a 10-member clan who play much less frequently is recognized. But its your thread, your rules.


Because its a lot harder to verify activity than membership :D

That said, you list 6 + a maybe in your clan thread... but your group is fairly active on the forums at this point. I wish I were online more often, rather than having to rely on secondhand reports and quick "looksies" into ICO.

You were never stuck with this. Moreover, you have the hubris to claim the "voice" of the entire community - without actually asking people's opinions. You decide things on your own but make it appear to be a community decision.Don't pretend the so called "responsibility" is a burden for you. You relish it.


I'd give it up in a heartbeat. And if more people came in here and told me the standards I set were unfair or needed to be changed, I would. Instead, I have a few people coming in here, calling me names, and just ticking me off in general.
Reply #114 Top
I appreciate the hard work you are doing Ron. You are a generous man (with your time).
Reply #115 Top
what's a [WANG] got to do to get recognized around here?
Reply #116 Top
what's a [WANG] got to do to get recognized around here?


Give me information!

I've seen your thread around, but basically what I want from you is a post containing: clan name, clan tag, links to clan forum / thread, and a (reasonable) description.

If you have 10 people and are reasonably active, your in.
Reply #117 Top
10 players, actively recruiting, tags, etc... these are completely arbitrary requirements. Let's take a look at some professional clans, who play games for a living.

Most counter-strike clans, for instance, have five and ONLY five players. Occasionally you'll find a clan with one or two additional backup players. As far as esports goes, counter-strike is as big, real, and recognized as it gets.

Let's look at warcraft 3, probably the biggest and most played RTS game outside of Korea. Most clans participating in ESL's Wc3l league have less than 10 players. For instance, SK-gaming, one of the oldest and most professional clans in the world, has a warcraft 3 team of only 5 players, with which they play clanwars.

Let's look at CGS, which is probably the biggest and most professional e-sports league in the United States. CGS games are some of the only video games outside of korea to be actually broadcasted on television. You can find CGS on DirectTV channel 101. CGS plays several games. Every team in CGS has a CS1.6 team of 5 players, a DoA4 team of TWO players, a FIFA2007 team of ONE player. CGS pays a salary of around 30k USD a year. It's about as professional as it gets.

NONE of these teams are actively recruiting. Active recruitment is a joke. ALL good, competitive clans are invite-only. The standards of admission rise alongside the level of competitiveness. There is no serious, sponsored clan, that actively recruits.

TAGS are fine for a friendly bunch of guys who meet up to play a game or two, desperate to have an identity. But a SERIOUS, COMPETITIVE clan builds its reputation on SKILL and WIN RATIO. Whether clan members wear a tag or not is COMPLETELY irrelevant to how "legitmate" or "recognizable" a clan is. You get recognition from RESULTS. For example, LA Complexity, arguably the best CS:S clan in the world, often plays matches without the coL. tag. As another example, 4k.Grubby, a very famous warcraft 3 player, recently left 4-kings and joined MYM. Since then, he has played matches for MYM while STILL wearing his 4k. tag. TAG is irrelevant.

Now, I'm not saying that HuntingX's Sins clan is the next SK-gaming, or MYM, or LA complexity. Quite frankly, sins is not nearly at the level of starcraft, counter-strike, warcraft 3, etc. in terms of either casual or competitive play or number of players. However, many people wish to see sins evolve as a competitive game, instead of stagnate. Many people want to see the sins community grow bigger, rather than become divided. Having a list of "community-recognized" clans (with other clans being ignored) based on arbitrary and irrelevant criteria is a step towards the latter.

I dislike HuntingX as much as anyone. In fact, probably more so than most people, as I have the displeasure and misfortune of knowing him in real life. But he gets together a group of players and plays to win -- I don't care if your clan has tags, or has more than 10 members, or has Star-Wars inspired political and military rankings and elections. Sins is a game that ends in victory for one side and defeat for another -- playing to win is all that matters. His clan is more competitive and more professional than any sins clan I've seen. They don't post useless information on the forums. They frequently contribute to the strategy section. They frequently upload replays for everyone to scrutinize. When they play they use IRC and ventrillo, and they have the skill to back up their talk. He's trying to raise the level of the sins competitive community. But because many of you have personal issues with him, you find whatever excuse you can to ostracize his clan. It's like you guys really wanted to make a "Sins clans to avoid" thread, but couldn't because it would be too blatantly obvious. Instead, you decide to make a "community recognized clans" thread and find excuses to exclude people that you dislike. If this attitude is not discarded, then this thread and all of the OP's efforts are just a massive waste of time which will eventually divide the sins community.
Reply #118 Top
Quite simply put, since this is meant to be a guide towards people who are newish to the community and wish to get in a clan, actively recruiting (AKA accepting and wanting applicants) is a reasonable requirement. Invite only "buddy" clans are... a waste of space.

But a SERIOUS, COMPETITIVE clan builds its reputation on SKILL and WIN RATIO.
Skill sure, win ratio? PFFFL! If you focus on win ratio, you never try anything new.

But because many of you have personal issues with him, you find whatever excuse you can to ostracize his clan.


I don't ostracize his clan. I don't even blame them for letting him be in it -- though I should! I just ignore him and his inane, stupid ranting. I avoid him as best I can, to avoid said ranting, and the crude filth he puts in it.

Perhaps I should have named this thread differently, but its too late now.
Reply #119 Top
It seems this thread has sidetracked from its original purpose.

How... sad.
Reply #120 Top
It seems this thread has sidetracked from its original purpose.How... sad.


HOw... inevitable.
Reply #121 Top
Quite simply put, since this is meant to be a guide towards people who are newish to the community and wish to get in a clan, actively recruiting (AKA accepting and wanting applicants) is a reasonable requirement.Invite only "buddy" clans are... a waste of space.But a SERIOUS, COMPETITIVE clan builds its reputation on SKILL and WIN RATIO. Skill sure, win ratio? PFFFL!

Then you should phrase the entire post as such. Posting as a 'community recognized clans' indicates to the quick glance that "these are the only clans that are accepted by 'the community'(seemingly defined as [GE])". If this entire thread would be better listed as "Clans Needing Players" or "Actively Recruiting and Active Clans". The title as it stands indicates some form of official listing of 'valid' competitive clans, which it really isn't.

I post of course on the behalf of [WANG]. We're a reasonably active clan, but we certainly are not recruiting.

If you focus on win ratio, you never try anything new.But because many of you have personal issues with him, you find whatever excuse you can to ostracize his clan.


If both teams focus on win ratio, new ideas will have to be tried to break a stalemate.
Reply #122 Top
Cunt, I freely agree I chose a bad name -- I just went with the name that was suggested to me.
Reply #123 Top
You can't PM a moderator to change the thread title for you?
Reply #124 Top
You can't PM a moderator to change the thread title for you?


Problem is, I can't come up with an appropriate name.
Reply #125 Top
Not to worry...

Soon we will all be recognized with ladders rankings and brand new system lads are working on :)