umm r u gonna let me in ont his one, or are am I being shipped off to the glue factory?

@SPM - You suggested you would set up polls on a different site if memory serves. I think giving select people access to a private community off site for decisions is not a good idea. Transparency in operations for the community will be key to its success.

I also agree and throw in my support to such a move.
However, this could be a complex issue, organizing something won't be easy and clear rules for this 'council' need to be established.

Well given I have a helluva lot going on right now, is anyone willing to step up and get the ball rolling?

oh my god... it sounds like one of Senator Palpatine's speaches from the third star wars...
um, I dont think its fair for you guys to hijack the community and deny other people access to the "clan of clans" list for no other reason than a set of votes. I vote no.

sure the community is pained by sucky and small clans, but if you try a stunt like this you will alienate just about everyone, and that will decimate the community.

Ahh, schem finally lends a point of view



Not necessarily. I am not often one of the people who sides with the Galactic Empire, but it seems to me they have a point.

The purpose of this is to help the community, so we will consider all of its memebers. We will have "instert your specified amount here" 'neutral' deligates, that would represent multiplayer gamers that are not part of clans, or those that are part of small clans. I think the main part of this would not be to exclude clans from the community, but to help them benifit it. Those clans who are up and coming, or even brand new will recieve our support and help. This way the community will grow and retain activity. We could also be an intermediary body who will monitor the community and help it through the rought patches of inactivity, whether it will be through tournaments or competitions or whatever.

I have been of part of something like this over at Gal Civ 2 and it worked very well. As long as we have no power hungry individuals, and a clear set of rules is present things should go well. We won't let our prejudices against small or new clans color our judgements on anything, the benifit is to the community, not the established clans.

@Schem - see sometimes things are exactly as they appear. We might jab at each other for sport and to drum up interest within the community for clans but we are serious about developing and supporting it. When it comes to those topics we are Legion.

OK, how would you rather have this occur -- me just deciding on my own authority which clans look "real" and which clans are just a joke? A) thats a lot of effort on my part, I don't think the idea of putting that much "power" in one persons hands is a good idea, even if you happen to think I'm trustworthy enough for it. (Spartan obviously does, but inevitably there are going to be people who disagree with my decisions, and for good reason!)

Like the clan descriptions.
Ahem...

This is starting to sound a lot like what I had put forth as a mission for "pink space ponies" about 2 months ago..

Have we come full circle on this?

I do have a very rough idea here, please expand and alter this as it is just an opening thought..

Ronn, Spartan, we need to get the old crew together and set up a site "pinkspaceponies.com" not to be confused with the clan "thespaceponies.com"

being that we really have no authority expect that which we grant ourselves and that the community as a whole decides they shall abide by.

We establish a criteria by which what is considered a "clan" is. We then publish this criteria and allow clans to apply.. Those that do and meat the criteria are given a "Seal of Approval" from both the Space Ponies and the Galactic Empire at first and as each clan that is given such a seal they obtain a voting right to approve or disapprove a clan in later decisions.

We do try to comply with the truth in advertising maxim.

as an outsider (I have never been part of a clan, but soon I hope to put in an application for the [GE] ) I think that ether a private or non private voting system would work as long as you get a list of the clans that voted for and agonist you . This way you can lobby for there support at the next vote

@Mike - we have already set up the ClansofSin.com for this purpose. Plus the metagame and ladder system we are working on will be plugged into it database and functionality wise. Logic would dictate we run things from there as a community. Please note I have already told SD/IC that if thing get big and they want the domain and resources for integration into ICO or something else that all they have to do is ask and it is theirs.

Additionally there is the entire cultural thing about "pink & ponies" in the same expression when dealing with American & Canadian males.

@Spartan

Awesome site man!

well done


@Ron

Thanks for adding us up on the list!

well theres also the fact you guys sound pompous out the wazzo (although thats been standard for a while...)

but the point remains your trusting the fortitude of the community to a handful of people who are basically handing out golf club registration. as soon as you begin rejecting clans you're going to have a second group designed just to overthrow you.

@Schod - And that is bad? If the rejected wannabes can get their act together enough to overthrow the "powers that be" then more power to them I say.

Remember the whole point for not sanctioning or removing a clan is because they are not organized or active. I hope you see the logical issue in your argument now.

./Snigger, you do realize your addressing Schod, right?

remember the clan is "The Space Ponies" PINK is reserved only for those of us who were around during beta... well, with that said.. let me know when ready so that I can properly intigate the information (link or whatever) from thespaceponies.com into that part of the system.



@Shod, people can form wings at the space ponies and when they have grown they can establish themselves as a clan in there own right.. They can stay as a wing if they wish or shut in down go there own way and just become a part of our lore..

You are very good with the graphics Mike. We should draft you to help us with the Clan site stuff.

I.m sorry I thought you already knew.. I have made myself available to you and the others guys to assist in what I can... If you need anything just let me know and I will do my best..

We war in the field but lets face it... Together we are building a better field!

I see the logic, but its tunnelminded.

just saying, it a whole lot of other people were bashing me other than the people who are declaring power for themselves... maybe then you would have a point

alas, its your wacky idea, of course I expect you to defend it

Well its not MY wacky idea, and I agree with it.

Sadly, I don't want to bash you with saying anything clever, I'm all out of cleverness

@Mike - I assume you are a member on modcraft already. So send a PM to Ron and he will add you to the website development group. There are many graphic elements needed for the site and sadly enough none of the current group are artistic types and Theo our graphic guy for modcraft has been real busy with school and the military to really focus on things. You should also join our Ventrilo from time to time since it where we have planing meetings.

spacepony is everywhere

(I really amhaving too much fun with this)

I can slice, dice and rearrange almost anything... I just can't create from scratch.