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Side-Discussion on 9/11

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Side-Discussion on 9/11

To respect OP's wishes

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/?forumid=412&aid=162355
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To respect the OP in that thread, I'm creating a parallel thread in which to discuss things, rather than muddy a remembrance thread with them.

Remembrance Thread

Here's my latest reply:

Capatalization on peoples pain and agony. We all knew what happened yet the media continued to play footage just to raise raitings.


To quote the radio going beside me:

Never
Forget

I suppose you're going to say the little media montage's they play on that station are capitalizing on the pain and agony of that day, rather than a genuine memorial effort?

Yeah, they replayed those for a while. Because of the shock, the horror, we as a nation felt over it. The media has no choice but to respond to that. It was a cheap tactic (though it was just as effective as those would be): it was a basic, human response and need.
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Reply #26 from Sins Forums Top
disestablishmentarionalism


How about we call it Anarchy?

either way, I seriously doubt you can say "I dont know you" as an intellect when your ideas are so repetative and shallow...


Your views are just as repetitive, same with your ideas. Everyone keeps the same ideas unless they decide to change them, I see no reason to change mine so yes I will repeat them.

And you say you pick the harder side of the arguement to defend, when all I see you doing is attacking me as a person once again.

Typical american...
Reply #27 from Sins Forums Top

Promiscuity has advantages and disadvantages. In our society I don't see the advantage.


Promiscuity is not the reverse of prudish:

"excessively proper or modest in speech, conduct, dress, etc."

Not quite the word I was looking for, I'll admit, but its the closest I can come up with. Our society is uncomfortable with anything sexual except adult male-female sex. Masturbation? Children (for the purposes of this discussion, redefine so that anyone not 15+ is a child) "exploring"? Children masturbating? Perish the thoughts!

Did you know that a Secretary General was forced to resign when she suggested we teach children about masturbation in school? Kinda silly, since 90% or more of them will know about it before they hit high school anyway. (I'd say 100%, but there are always those that skip through the cracks. Some have even made it out of high school not knowing about how to do it, for whatever reason).


I think you might be forgetting that biologically homosexuality doesn't really serve a purpose. Thus I don't think it's quite as common as you think it is...


Oh, full up gays aren't all that large a part of the population, I know that.


And why is this a thread about homosexuality all of a sudden?


Topic drift is a part of life
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Reply #28 from Sins Forums Top
Your views are just as repetitive, same with your ideas
differences being that I've never said "you dont know me"   
mostly my point is more or less contrived here, yes I'm defensive of my country, but only when somebody goes about making it seem like trash.
you're pretty good at that, one way or another.
And you say you pick the harder side of the arguement to defend, when all I see you doing is attacking me as a person once again.
I dont see any debate going on, doesnt mean I'm not allowed to sit here and poke you.
Typical american...

  see?
Did you know that a Secretary General was forced to resign when she suggested we teach children about masturbation in school? Kinda silly, since 90% or more of them will know about it before they hit high school anyway. (I'd say 100%, but there are always those that skip through the cracks. Some have even made it out of high school not knowing about how to do it, for whatever reason).

I'm going to go ahead and make an informal lock on anyone commenting on this post. I seriously dont feel like "topic drift"ing into masturbation.

it proves Ron's point (and we're always loathe to do that.  ) but still... a little less than forum-friendly.
Reply #29 from Sins Forums Top
I'm going to go ahead and make an informal lock on anyone commenting on this post. I seriously dont feel like "topic drift"ing into masturbation.

it proves Ron's point (and we're always loathe to do that. ) but still... a little less than forum-friendly.


LOL, you have a good point, lets cut the conversation short before someone decides its obscene (for some silly reason).

And you're right, you're proving my point for me
Reply #30 from Sins Forums Top

You've lost all faith it seems with any human organization.


I have not lost all faith, I still have hope, a fools hope.

not really... you've just pointed out what little hope you do have you don't respect.




Well then, call me Mr. Banker.

really?... and why wants to prove themselves to you? Thing with bankers is they have credit that other people want.

Our place in society is more to try and make things work and then profit off the results as best as possible.


That is literally your job as far as society is concerned.

Thats a precieved source. For all we know it could be a government ploy to attack Iran. I people got fired off the National Defense Board when they started planning a 'preemptive strike' on Iran and were found out by the New Yorker.

No it's the only rational conclusion given current information.

if you can provide conflicting information I'd really like to see it. But I have no interest in silly conspiracy theories born of political and philosophical bitterness.



I dont have to breed complacency, it exist in rampancy all across the world. And all we have to thank is the Internet, our great source of information and misinformation.

you're actively supporting and spreading it... ergo you breed it. It's not a point worth arguing. It's pretty obvious.

No poverty, no politics, no weapons, no pollution, no destruction.

Competely false. Humanity in it's natural state is far more poor, politics still exist within tribal structures that we would need to even be able to survive as a species... weapons would exist, they would simply be crude... such as antler bones and bits of wood. Pollution would be less but we'd probably be living in our own shit more often then not... and the destruction would that of our own species.


so no... you're pretty much completely wrong.



For all you know, so might you.

I've backed up my statement, if all you have to counter it is "might be" then it's a pretty sad rebuttal.


what fallacy do you even think I'm buying into? Or are you just making a kindergarten "no you" comment?

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Promiscuity has advantages and disadvantages. In our society I don't see the advantage.


Promiscuity is not the reverse of prudish:

Please explain why prudishness is bad for our society. As I pointed out there are advantages and disadvantages.

Remember, I'm looking at the big big picture. Long term health and survival of the civilization. Prudishness might increase the number of married families with stable finances... the best situation for child production. Which as a society is desirable. Do you have another idea that is better then that or accomplishes a goal of greater value?


I'm being cold blooded here. At the end of the day what our society needs is children, money, and technical progress.

Everything else more or less springs from those resources.

Reply #31 from Sins Forums Top
Please explain why prudishness is bad for our society. As I pointed out there are advantages and disadvantages.


Did you just skip over my post? I already answered this one.

Promiscuity (and sexual restraint) are not what I was referring to. I was referring to our prudishness with regards to sexuality. I was referring to the fact that most people have (severe) difficulty talking about sex in an open and aboveboard manner except within tightly controlled circumstances (i. e. with close friends). And that people have deep trouble, even then, with anything except "basic" sexuality. Go and reread my post if you want more details.

Now, if you want to know why thats unhealthy, I'd be more than happy to answer that. Except for the fact that people don't want us topic drifting towards masturbation, which is a part of that whole mess.
Reply #32 from Sins Forums Top
Please explain why prudishness is bad for our society. As I pointed out there are advantages and disadvantages.


Did you just skip over my post? I already answered this one.

Promiscuity (and sexual restraint) are not what I was referring to. I was referring to our prudishness with regards to sexuality. I was referring to the fact that most people have (severe) difficulty talking about sex in an open and aboveboard manner except within tightly controlled circumstances (i. e. with close friends). And that people have deep trouble, even then, with anything except "basic" sexuality. Go and reread my post if you want more details.

Now, if you want to know why thats unhealthy, I'd be more than happy to answer that. Except for the fact that people don't want us topic drifting towards masturbation, which is a part of that whole mess.


does mental masturbation count... that is what is going on on this forum right now!  
Reply #33 from Sins Forums Top

Please explain why prudishness is bad for our society. As I pointed out there are advantages and disadvantages.


Did you just skip over my post? I already answered this one.

Promiscuity (and sexual restraint) are not what I was referring to.

As you can see from that quote, I didn't even use the world promiscuity. I used YOUR word. Prudishness.


Read my post first before you say I didn't read yours.

I was referring to the fact that most people have (severe) difficulty talking about sex in an open and aboveboard manner except within tightly controlled circumstances (i. e. with close friends). And that people have deep trouble, even then, with anything except "basic" sexuality. Go and reread my post if you want more details.

Now, if you want to know why thats unhealthy, I'd be more than happy to answer that. Except for the fact that people don't want us topic drifting towards masturbation, which is a part of that whole mess.

Why is that unhealthy? Especially I want to know why it's bad for a society or civilization. Prudishness is common in many of the world's more successful societies.

Reply #34 from Sins Forums Top
I have to side with karma here, I dont see the unhealthy part of not talking about sex with the general public.
Reply #35 from Sins Forums Top
Well... I'm not really saying it is or isn't... I just don't know why it's unhealthy. It's more a question then an argument.
Reply #36 from Sins Forums Top
well I'll go ahead and take the side that its not unhealthy. we dont have a psychological imperative to do so, so theres really nothing to keep bottled up.
Reply #37 from Sins Forums Top
Why is that unhealthy?


I'd explain, but as someone else pointed out this is starting to drift into areas that shouldn't be discussed here, because the general public considers them obscene and that is against the rules of 99.9% of forums. I won't even bother checking the rules for this forum to see if its there for it.

I have to side with karma here, I dont see the unhealthy part of not talking about sex with the general public.


Not necessarily talking about it, just being comfortable with sexuality. Which as a culture we're approaching, but have far from reached.
Reply #38 from Sins Forums Top

Why is that unhealthy?


I'd explain, but as someone else pointed out this is starting to drift into areas that shouldn't be discussed here, because the general public considers them obscene and that is against the rules of 99.9% of forums. I won't even bother checking the rules for this forum to see if its there for it.

Either make a new thread or PM me your response then. Otherwise this is a cope out.

I'm not afraid of sexual issues... but the irony of someone saying prudishness is bad and then refusing to talk about sex is really overwhelming.


Speak or forever hold your peace.
Reply #39 from Sins Forums Top
I'd explain, but as someone else pointed out this is starting to drift into areas that shouldn't be discussed here

that happened to be me, fyi.
just being comfortable with sexuality

we're plenty comfortable with classical sexuality, if you're talking "alternative" sexuality, tahts the only place I see what you're getting at.
Otherwise this is a cope out

*sigh*
karma, karma karma. dont use this unless there really is a cop out. this isn't an excuse, its a reason.
Reply #40 from Sins Forums Top
you dont know me


The thing is you DONT know me. Forums are impresonal, and often cary the wrong message.

You cant tell what a person is like through the internet.

see?


Glad you noticed the side comment, count it as a poke back

Man this reminds me of facebook...

not really... you've just pointed out what little hope you do have you don't respect.


Does anyone have much respect for the hopeful?

That is literally your job as far as society is concerned.


I am not one to work for the 'man'.

No it's the only rational conclusion given current information.


Whats our source? The media? Bought by the government. Our Intelligence agencies? Controlled by the government.

I'm not impressed with our 'sources', are you?

Competely false. Humanity in it's natural state is far more poor, politics still exist within tribal structures that we would need to even be able to survive as a species... weapons would exist, they would simply be crude... such as antler bones and bits of wood. Pollution would be less but we'd probably be living in our own shit more often then not... and the destruction would that of our own species.


Ahem, a lot of things could be accomplished without the government. I doubt society would go back to a tribal structure, thats a government.

Please explain why prudishness is bad for our society


Well it did cause several witch trials resulting in the deaths of thousands of women. And a civil war in England. It restricts art as well as science. I mean they tried to put pants on Micheangelos paintings more then once, the Pope even threatened hanging. Hm, I have no idea why it might be bad...

Why is that unhealthy? Especially I want to know why it's bad for a society or civilization. Prudishness is common in many of the world's more successful societies.


With now declining birth figures. Plus this proves at least some of what Freud said. We try to conceal our primordial urges in order to fit into society, this represses the individual.

Stupid shallow people seem to rule society these days...
Reply #41 from Sins Forums Top
if you all have the primordial urge to ditch cloths in public, maybe I'm not as human as I once thought.
Well it did cause several witch trials resulting in the deaths of thousands of women. And a civil war in England. It restricts art as well as science. I mean they tried to put pants on Micheangelos paintings more then once, the Pope even threatened hanging. Hm, I have no idea why it might be bad...

those developed hand-in-hand with prudishness, but it wasnt caused by it.
Ahem, a lot of things could be accomplished without the government. I doubt society would go back to a tribal structure, thats a government.

what could be accomplished without civilized government? hm...
totalitarian, anarchic governments!


people gravitate towards governments because they are just a more advanced version of a natural state of collectivity.
I am not one to work for the 'man'.

and yet you will live as a hobo unless you do.
I'm not impressed with our 'sources', are you?

well when you're fighting government with radicallism, I dont trust your only source (you) either.
The thing is you DONT know me. Forums are impresonal, and often cary the wrong message

ah the irony...
why then do you assume you know me half the time? because it seems to be one of your favorite ploys.

I've never claimed to know you, I've claimed to predict you very easily as a caracatured forum personality (which does have some reflection on you) but I've never claimed to know who you are.
Reply #42 from Sins Forums Top
[quote] what could be accomplished without civilized government? hm...
totalitarian, anarchic governments! [/qiote]

Thats still a government. I want no government, no restrtiction.

and yet you will live as a hobo unless you do.


I dont know a hobo's life sounds quite appealing. Especially with the trust fund i am intitled to.

well when you're fighting government with radicallism, I dont trust your only source (you) either.


Hah, you wish I was the only source. Anarchism is also a parsistent part of human nature. My sources are the thousands of books written on the benifits and the cons of governments.

ah the irony...
why then do you assume you know me half the time? because it seems to be one of your favorite ploys.


I say you are predictable, thats quite different.

I've never claimed to know you, I've claimed to predict you very easily as a caracatured forum personality (which does have some reflection on you) but I've never claimed to know who you are.


Yes, you have
Reply #43 from Sins Forums Top
My sources are the thousands of books written on the benifits and the cons of governments.

if you've ever named a benefit to government, I was born after that day.
I dont know a hobo's life sounds quite appealing. Especially with the trust fund i am intitled to

so the hater of america likes... freedom?
Thats still a government. I want no government, no restrtiction.

to do what? gather under you? kill? rape? pillage?
Anarchism is also a parsistent part of human nature

anarchism is not a part of human nature, its a way to justify hating a government without a real reason
I say you are predictable, thats quite different.

so when you go on rants about how I'm a loner who nobody likes in life... thats... what exactly? an artistic representation of male disrespect for all of life?
Yes, you have

you must be having a "in schem's body" experience, as I've never done such. my points have always been that I know your character as an anarchist.
Reply #44 from Sins Forums Top
if you've ever named a benefit to government, I was born after that day.


Oh there are plenty of benifits. I mean look at the US, its one of the largest beaurocracies in the world, its pretty good to live here though.

so the hater of america likes... freedom?


Yea, why not. If all goes right I wont have to work a day in my life, now that kind of freedom sounds inticing, no?

to do what? gather under you? kill? rape? pillage?


All that sounds like fun, but I was thinking more a long the lines of unrestricted progress.

anarchism is not a part of human nature, its a way to justify hating a government without a real reason


Oh, I think it is. Rebelling against authority is definetly somewhere in our ancestrial genetics.

so when you go on rants about how I'm a loner who nobody likes in life... thats... what exactly? an artistic representation of male disrespect for all of life?


I only do that on two occasions. One is when you make me mad, and two is when I want to antice you into an arguement.

Oh and theres a third reason, to cut you down before you get too high and mighty.

I know, I know. I'm a giver

you must be having a "in schem's body" experience, as I've never done such. my points have always been that I know your character as an anarchist.


Oh, so your side comments about knowing my 'type' or my 'personality' related to my poltical views? Oh, wow I misinterpret words, guess I better go hit the books and try to learn me some fancy wordings....
Reply #45 from Sins Forums Top

I'm not afraid of sexual issues... but the irony of someone saying prudishness is bad and then refusing to talk about sex is really overwhelming.


Hey, someone else asked me to refrain. And given that the rules of the forum could, under some readings, disallow it... (Edit: Oh, and expect the PM shortly...)
Reply #46 from Sins Forums Top

I am not one to work for the 'man'.

You're not working for the man. you're working for yourself... all you have to do is make a life for yourself and stop being such a whiny little bitch.

*boo hoo nothing matters... life sucks*


Either put on black eye make up and listen to sad music alone in your room... while cutting yourself in a desperate cry for help... or join the rest of humanity... I have no patience for your bleating.



Well it did cause several witch trials resulting in the deaths of thousands of women.

Several witch trials?... thousands of woman? so each of these killed a few hundred woman?


What are you even talking about. The only witch trials I know of were religiously and not sexually driven. Sure, they generally kept to women... which are a "sex"... but I don't know that those actions were punishment for luwd conduct.

And a civil war in England. It restricts art as well as science. I mean they tried to put pants on Micheangelos paintings more then once, the Pope even threatened hanging. Hm, I have no idea why it might be bad...

Taken to the extreme of controlling art like that, you have a point... however that level of fanaticism is rare and not present in our society. At least not outside of a small minority.



With now declining birth figures. Plus this proves at least some of what Freud said. We try to conceal our primordial urges in order to fit into society, this represses the individual.

If sexual repression were linked to the declining birth rates we'd see higher birth rates in more "liberated" societies.


The fact of the matter is that woman in burkas... that's the full body outfit that some muslim women wear are making more babies then the tanning woman in bikinis on the beach.


So that logic like most what you've put out is patently, obviously, and demonstrably false.

Stupid shallow people seem to rule society these days...

Historically we have smarter people running society then in the past... what do you base this statement on? or is it more of your pessimist the sky is falling whining?
Reply #47 from Sins Forums Top
whiny little bitch.


Oh man your soo right, I should repent, I should change my ways. Or what will happen? People will like me less, oh booo hooo I have no friends. Oh great sadness I have NO life. Please karma, please show me more of your gracious and glorious wisdom so I might one day be as sucessful as you.

Several witch trials?... thousands of woman? so each of these killed a few hundred woman?


The one conducted in France killed about 50,000 people 40,000 of which were women.

What are you even talking about. The only witch trials I know of were religiously and not sexually driven. Sure, they generally kept to women... which are a "sex"... but I don't know that those actions were punishment for luwd conduct.


Basic christian society fell apart when people bent to sexual urges. Many witch trials were started because some prominent member of the community had committed some 'sin', most common of all adultry.

Taken to the extreme of controlling art like that, you have a point... however that level of fanaticism is rare and not present in our society. At least not outside of a small minority.


Not anymore, you mean to say. For just 60 years ago the Pope supported the Nazi regime and we stayed out of Germany's way allowing them to commit the largest genocide in history.

Historically we have smarter people running society then in the past... what do you base this statement on? or is it more of your pessimist the sky is falling whining?


Oh, we definetly have smarter people, doesnt mean they are any less shallow or power hungry, or selfish. For in my opinion those are all forms of stupidity and ignorance.

Oh, and the sky is definetly falling, dont think its falling down just yet, its moving in a sorta sideways stepy kind of way. I think its drunk...
Reply #48 from Sins Forums Top
emo, thats what you are.

except, I cannot define you as emo because you immitate logic...
Reply #49 from Sins Forums Top
emo, thats what you are.


Actually, I do dress sorta emoish. Otherwise I am a prett cheary, go lucky type of person.
Reply #50 from Sins Forums Top
well that certainly does not come across here.