why you arrogant bastard.

diabetes (contrary to your anti-capitalist/american views) has less to do with eating than it does with genetic predisposition.
what? to be STIMULATED??? hardly.

let me throw together a very quick arguement
1)UV protection has nothing to do with the ozone dissapearing, in case you hadnt payed attention that happened to be over the NORTH POLE.
2) we do have cures for diseases, just because the last recognizable one was polio doesnt mean it doesnt happen. want to know WHY we (and your damn nation to) cannot cure HIV? not because we dont want to, but because it has amazing mutigenic capacity and works like NO other deadly virus we have EVER encountered before, same thing with cancer.
3) hybrids have nothing to do with being lazy, it allows people to keep their money. if you want to attack the idea, do it for its falts, not because you want to make a political statement.
4) guess how much smoking has been reduced since hte 1950's? I bet russia has more people smoking (no wait, nobody can afford it.)
5) music does work on kids, it STIMULATES (hey look at that word!) the brain, not "baby einstein" shit, but music does.
6) music should not be free, do you want to make people starve simply because of their chosen profession? are you that much of a cynical arrogant bastard?
7) video games do not rot your brain/waste your time. actually quite the contrary is (probably) true.

let me see if I can make this clear for you subadequate education

CAPITALISM (do you know what that is? good.) WORKS.


I'm sorry, I cannot see that in a nation that relies almost soley on its scientists

even excluding that you said you hated the system.
see what I mean when I say your telltale idea is "you suxors"? consumerism is not a poison, its good when properly regulated. just because russia tried a failed pseudocombination and couldnt keep up with America doesnt mean you should have your views tainted that "everthing consumeristic is evil".
Rome didnt die because of carbon dioxide emissions, it was largely the work of christianity and crappy leadership. consumerism and capitalism are the same today as yesteryear's christianity, its such an indulgant and stable new concept that it overturns old governments, like russias.

yup! "always take wackos with a pinch of salt" is my saying.

ok "god walking amongst mere mortals"
tell me how to fix it. if you so much as mention anything along the lines of "neuter and castrate the upper classes so that they cannot dominate the world" I will call you a stupid idiot and walk away.
did I not just make a point of telling you that the concept of the "lazy couch potatoe american" is complete and utter myth? here! let me prove it to you!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295556,00.html
NOT just in hours, but also in sheer productivity. now unless you want to say that russians have a longer commute and are therefore more tired AND have shorter work days, fuck off.

"but it lasts just long enough for me not to care"
"dont fix whats not broken"
"crazy liberal"
I at least try to remain neutral and use FACTS to support my arguement, instead of using lengthy rambling and preaching as a substitute.

you have never shown the capacity, I've never had the reason to.

Hey, who broke the thread?

I can't read anything past a certain point for some weird reason (Or even see the typing box until I managed to hit the advanced post button).

ok... lets stop talking about cyborgs and start talking about the new cold war that you guys just started I can't read everything from the other page because it's broken, but...

1. there are more ways to 'escape' than tv, games, and books. there is also drugs, sleeping, and surfing the web to name a few. I wouldn't use the word 'escape' to define lesure distractions like the former, that kinda makes me wonder what kind of world you grew up in.

2. Capitalism does work, for some things, and at others it fails. Democracy works for some things and not for others, but as Churchill said "Democracy is the only form of government, except those others that have been tried." Humanity's societal structure is always changing and improving, this is definitely not the last stop.

Now back to the cyborgs

Cyborgs are neat, but as awesome as the borg are (and they are really awesome), I would not want to stick my penis in one. I can see artificial hearts, ears, probably eyes, but the complete merger of humans with machines is just... no! Too kinky and weird for me! And no immortals, people need to be able to die! Genetic engineering will definitely take precedence over computer/machine-people, because girls who are people are hot, and sex sells.

As for computers dominating man...

Computers are tools. Nothing more than tools. Even mine, which is dope, is just a tool. Even a super-intelligent tool is a tool, why would it want to take over the world? Why would it want to do anything other than serve mankind? Greed and dominance is something we can understand because we have evolved to dominate to survive. But a computer is a tool, all it does is tool.

BTW, what is meant by intelligence? How do you define intelligence?

I say intelligence is the ability to learn, computers now have 0% of that ability right now. So, a tool that was designed to learn. That tool could help out a lot with research, it could learn how you play Sins and crush you, it would make a great slave. All computers and machines make great slaves, they do exactly what you tell them to.

Yes, thank you for that. But there are more cases of type 2 diabities, and that you get from eating too much sugar



You cant stimulate something that isnt there



1) One of the bigger holes yes, where the ozone doesnt exist at all yes, but there is a decrease of it around the world
2) We could cure it, it just any new drug or vaccine takes over a billion dollars to reasearch, and seeing as the main demand for disease cures is in poorer countries that make up less then 17% of the world medical market the current pharma companies of today wont make enough profit to make so much research feasable. But it is possible.
3) Okay, fine, but I still think its a stalling manuever no matter what you say
4) I can say with certainty that more poeple smoke here. And I dont find it funny, people strave there because they have no money, people die. Is that funny?
5) Okay, it stimulates whatever capacity a child might have to think for all of a few minutes. The child would have to be subgected to more physical stimulation along with the music to make any lasting connection.
6) If you didnt need money to live it would be fine. I am sure patrons would still pay head over heal for good music, the amount musicians earn though is getting outrageously silly.
7) Fine, they destroy your eye sight though if you dont own a plasma screen. And also how is it not a waste of time, in realistic terms you accomplish... nothing.



I am recieving the same education you are, so I would watch what you say.



Oh its definetly not. I never said that, now did I?



How is Russias government old?



Oh really? Mine is "Always bother Schem." Funny how it works out, eh?



Thats more like it!



Oh its not broken, just a little unregulated and underfunded.



I wasnt saying people are lazy, I just said that people(notice I say people, not Americans) like to escape reality. Now stop being so defensive, what I said was a lot less offensive then some of the crap that comes out of your mouth sometimes. Frankly I fail to see how you get along with people in real life.



And here we were talking about how propoganda is a bad thing, shame on you Schem.



Hehe, you make me laugh, ahhh I am not quite as liberal as you may think. I just like to take opposing view. I mean if I agred with you then we wouldnt have such interesting conversations.



Right back at ya



Facts from the Wiki and Fox, ohhhh you have great sources   

It was actually. Democracy is the worst form of government, except any others that have been tried from time to time.

In realistic terms, you achieve a sharpening of whatever attributes you utilize in game. RPGs and the like can improve reading skills (and depending on the game reasoning / logic skills). FPS / action games can increase your hand-eye-coordination by a measurable, proven amount. Presumably, RTS / 4X games would help with the ability to handle information flow and then use it. (Oh, and 4X games can probably help with patience... that'd explain how I came out )

Oh, I was thinking of the speaker as a built in interface to an internal computer. Allowing distance communication, the ability to listen to broadcasts, or the ability to listen to sound stored on or created by your internal computer. This would mean for example that you wouldn't need headphones.


It's always a little dangerous to assume what other people think.

That isn't what I think. No matter how slowly it happens it will happen. And as to civilization collapsing, it's something that does happen. Throughout human history we've seen it happen again and again. Most of it we know more by digging up the trash of old civilizations more then anything else... forgotten in most cases by most and sometimes by everyone.

Exactly. It's unlikely that anyone who designed the chip would design it to make sure it would be fine in the even that civilization collapsed.

and because I feel like it:
http://www.c00lstuff.com/873/Monley_controlled_robotic_arm_/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAAybYmyzLk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_wd9Qf0IE

Right, I knew it was something like that.




That robot arm is cool, but I must disagree to that video that says Humans are just monkeys. Humans are way more evolved mentally and socially.

it's called evolution. We are almost certain to be replaced by a superior species one day, it may as well be one we created.

We are and we aren't... Would you settle for Super Monkeys? Or Mega Monkeys?

thats what she said



uhm... no

I should hope it's something "of" our creation. It would be very sad indeed to be replaced by a different branch of the great evolutionary tree after we've made such strides forward.


Ultimately though, I think our brains are the newest form of evolution on earth.

I think I've said this before, but evolution first only happened through chance and random mutation. It was very very very very very slow. And the sorts of life that could develop from this were very simple. Somehow... these incredibly simple and slowly changing creatures developed sex. Which caused and explosion in evolutionary development allowing successful individuals to exchange genetic material. All complex life on earth was produced by this means. Now our brains linked in a great social network we call "civilization" allows for a massive social network of intelligent beings with the capability to discover, learn, invent, and remember.

I'm all but certain that evolution for us will (as in future tense) be driven more by our own tinkering with our natures more then sex or mutation combined.

We are the simple creatures that will give birth to the next great leap in evolution. Simple stupid animals compared to our descendants... our only redeeming quality in their eyes being that we were able to start the revolution. Ultimately I think they will be inorganic. Or perhaps a completely artificial fusion of the two. That is both organs and machine components engineered for each other. Being revolted by or disgusted by that future is as rational and significant as a micro organism being revolted... or instinctually disinclined by the nature of it's descendants. Our opinions simply don't matter.


With some luck our descendants will conquer space... will grab the very universe by it's neither regions and squeeze until it calls them daddy. That's what I hope... but what do you expect? I'm just a monkey.

Depends on your definition of organic. Whether your talking about carbon-based life, or bodies that, much like ours, are capable of self-repair and modification at a low (cellular / molecular?) level. The latter, I would hope, would be here to stay.

With all the nonsense in here I was wondering if we will ever find intelligent life on this forum?

there is only one definition of organic. carbon (and hydrogen) based.

they will not, carbon is the ONLY compound with the nescessary flexability to create micro based life, and life needs to be that building-block style in order to be self-repairing.

yeah, I've had to struggle to counter TGE's anti-intelligence   
even type two isnt soley food based.
explains why you have difficulty understanding the words coming out of my posts.

1) no where near a significant ammount
2) 17% is a mirraculous ammount and a very very big market. if I was a buisnessman and I could make pharmaceudicals realistically, I would take that market. thing is (your parents are scientists, how do you not know this) these things require knowledge and T I M E that we do not have to waste, better things can come from curing the much worse disease of HIV(that guess what? infects many more people in A F R I C A than in A M E R I C A)
4) no, I think that your belief that capitalism is a bad thing, and that russia's lead is better is a funny thing, especialy when you admit how much the system sucks.
5) actually here you are wrong, its like muscular repetition: simply using the pathways in the brain makes them faster, stronger with better axon fats.
6) again, wrong. you're talking pop idols who make big ammounts of money, I agree that thats a sham and I dont like it, but that doesnt mean you should shut down the market. you dont ahve that right.
7) as long as you increase your refresh rate you wont have any damage to your eyes, I have 20/15 vision (not 15/20) and it hasnt decreased despite cumulative months in front of computers.

no you're not.

you imply it in that you have NEVER admitted that there are good sides to it, and you are INCESSANTLY raking on it.

centuries is old even by timeline standards.

oh, you like the quotation marks do you?

it is NOT underfunded, and certainly NOT underregulated. you simply dont like how it doesnt pay for all of the middle class's expenses.

if this was one comment I wouldnt make it a big deal, but you DO make a point of degrading americans (yes, only americans) as lazy and idiots consistantly and that the only source of talent in this universe comes from OUTSIDE america where the genes are obviously superior.

how about you stop being so offensive yourself! I've never degraded Russia, or said that its people are lazy or stupid. you on the other hand, have.

I get along with people in real life because normally they arent so wildly arrogant and tactless!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/09/02/un.productivity.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070902/un_labor_productivity.html?.v=6
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22352457-2,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20572828/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/03/business/main3228735.shtml
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/U.N._productive/2007/09/03/29528.html

did you even READ the article? its a U.N. study. and you wonder why I say you're a propogandizing ranting extremist!

eat you words, eat 'em eat 'em!

fox news is not by any means a reliable source of info, but it is not the pit of all evil. in fact I would attribute to it far more neutrality than many other sources out there, because at least when they're lying and "bending the truth" its quite damn obvious.

site saying about stimulation.

not if it was specifically designed NOT to detect close in noises.

it never is, because (as TGE proves) there is always someone out there to believe the rediculous.

societal collapse never occurs, its an absolute bunk myth. what happens is civilization is ursurped and replaced by another power.

nothing, because it would be dead weight.

that isnt evolution you're talking about.

I wouldnt call a rabbit a mouse unless you could prove it. different genus, different species, not monkeys.

PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would settle for no less than super-mega ninja monkeys, or better yet humans. Using the word 'monkeys' is deglorifying to the human race. We can go into space, monkeys can't do that unless we send them there. Monkeys throw poo and don't shower. I'm not a monkey, neither are you.

uhm... i guess i am then... so is yarley and kryo for that matter...

please note: calling Yarlen yarley is grounds for a kick/ban but they are too tired of banning me to care

To you?



You fail to be funny Schem, yet you seem to have childish behavior under your belt loop of skills.



Words dont come out of posts Schem, and I do understand what you say, that doesnt necessarily mean I would agree with it.



Thats why I basicly said, thank you for clarifying it. Curing HIV is economicaly infeasable because only the poor countries suffer greatly from it. Plus pharam companies cant even charge the prices they can in America to those countries because (like Brazil) they just make the price what they want it to be by the use of the "emergency" clause in the WTO charter.



Why would the national education program pay for living expenses.

Oh and I found another thing, too many tests, not enough creativity. To all the colleges, high schools, and experts of education you are your test number.



I never once said that, yes I tend to think lower of Americans, but it is only because I have seen your explotation of others, and how greed is damaging an otherwise prospering nation. And the second comment has no bias, I was just stating that a lot of talent comes from other places, and that is true for all the nations of the world. Thats why talent shouldnt be hogged by one nation no matter how powerful and glorious it is.



Thank you for admiting so.



I tend to disagree and now I am labled the extremist, you play a common game Schem.

So I retire from this thread, you win, I step down, your views are clearly much more rational then mine.

Have a nice day, I know I am

apparently this is being changed QUITE a bit in colleges



but we wuv you

I would like a topic drift though... this ones played out...

what do people think about, iunno, the assyrian empire?

www.dictionary.com

"2. characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms:"
"4. of, pertaining to, or affecting living tissue: organic pathology."
"6. Philosophy. having an organization similar in its complexity to that of living things."

As far as I'm concerned, if you manage the self-repair / adaption / multiplication effects that living organisms have, you have living tissue.



Even if its silicon based.



./sigh. I'll have to dig up the research, its 4+ years old so I don't know *where* I'll find it.



ROFLCOPTER! Thanks for the joke.



Actually, I'd have to disagree with that. He is funny. Whether its because his behaviour is actually childish or not... thats in the air.

SchematicNinja

IT is not my responsiblity to inform you with detailed refrences for my sources of information I may state in a thread.(however had you actually been polite and asked nicely rather then the way you did I would have provided it)

Your the one countering my claims SO.

Show me anything thats been published in the last 2 years(with doesnt use information over 2 years old as refrences) that says Nuron fireing is only electrical based and doesnt have a backup chemical fireing mode(in the human brain).

Second, I may have actually been wrong in my gravity statement by 10 years 1963-1964 instead of 1953.

Look it up yourself gravity generation by a alloyed substance containing even numbers of 2 elements one has a even number of protons and nuetrons and the other substance has a uneven number of protons and nuetrons. When the substance is spun it creates gravity, the faster its spun the more gravity it creates. Objects placed in or over this field have less weight.


Lasty I never said ANYTHING about gravity shields, I said gravity shielding.
I use the next example because this is how it became common knowledge despite the fact it was proven before hand by the device I just mentioned beforehand by mutiple respected labs around the world.

3 Objects, 3 massive stars are orbiting each other, every time a eclipse happens, instead of the expecting tug inwards propagating gravity would cause the stars flew outwards slightly along there orbits.

What they found was the gravity forces acting upon the 2 outerstars was being reduced NOT propogated by the middle star during the eclipse and normal orbits resumed with line of sight was reestablished between all 3 stars.


PS-A child should have the same skills or knowledge as the parent?
Genetic memory.. I guess your proved that because somewhere down the line one of your ancestors mated with an Ass and your retained all the Asses skills and abilities.

This is from the same rough time frame as the original article I read (while doing a term paper).

Here's a more recent one... Still not quite what I was originally looking at, but it points to the fact that more than just reflexes can be improved.

This one refers to how it can improve other areas, such as "video games speed up your neural pathways". But thats then disputed inside the same article... grrr, I hate research, I quit.

You have enough to avoid saying I have no sources!

My answer to the question based on its proposition is no.

Firstly, we have no business asuming that computers will ever reach a state of self awareness, if they could, then they could have realization. If they could have realization then they would have conciouness that is new to the universer, atleast on this planet and its comprehension would have an explainable mathematical formula.

Since there is no mathematical formula other than the random cacophany of quantum circumstance that assembles us into asuming we are what we think we are, given this puny liminted sensile sack of stardust compared to the known bandwidth of the universe at large that dosnt have a finalized equation, then neither can an IT phantomed out of the void to suddenly tell humans to fekoff.

If anything, prescribed to do so with a point and click, humans will wipe out humans with AI not the other way around.

Since were on the topic of species oblivion(our own) whos to say Hawkin's theory of Radiation when dealing wtih singularities, where CERN goes live next month to blow a hole in the universe(.000000000000000000000000000000186% chance or somesuch) to test his theory, isnt his sudden spontaneous clarion realization into a suble mathematic harmonic that would allow us to wipe ourselves out nearly instantly and collaps everything around us out to helliopause and beyond into a spoonfuls volume of condensed universe out of some altruistic mad scientist wetest dreams and revelry of nostalgia to save mankind from suffering a slow extinction and thus save us from ourselves?

mmm, lets not forget the chance that the membrane theory is correct and we could have another big bang any time