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and yours too, if you want.
just lets try and get mine done first
some advice from my forumites, awesome advice btw:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003

nice, will do
thats 50 bucks...
why is the DVD drive beige? And the case black?

I found a black one half a fricking year ago, but I guess it got sold out

I would appreciate a combo drive thats black (preferably at equal speed or faster) writing DVDs is not my concern, running them and CDs is. although from what I hear they all write now . I'm not really concerned with vanity, I Just want the thing to work.
Yes, the E6600 is a great buy. It can pretty much chug through anything SupCom throws at it (unless you try playing against 7 Supreme AIs on one machine...the game slowed down to about a tenth its normal speed before crashing... ). For me, the only real cap on the game is my graphics card (GeForce 7900 GS), but I can run it on high fidelity settings and get awesome results, though it does tend to slow every now and then...hopefully as the patches continue, the game will be further optimized (a big patch released not too long ago tinkered with more sensitive stuffs pertaining to unit pathfinding, with positive results), and the stand-alone title will help this situation even more, even if it's for a price...

well then, its settled isnt it!

ok, now here are the problems I have and why, I'm not a computer person so just try to stick to layman speak pls.
1) Combo drive
a) biggest concern is that it might be a bit slow, would appreciate a faster one for a comparable price
b) its beige... its vain but I would like a black one
2) Hard Drive
a) its quick, but its capacity is small, would like a similar but larger one. (I'm talking about the 74 gig one, not the 150 gig I found)
b) I would prefer a quiet one, but its not my main concern.
3) video card
a) sounds like its enough, but I'm not tech savvy
4) motherboard
a) dunno really... compared to the quality of the rest of my parts it doesnt really stand up, from what I hear it hardly affects performance, but its the central unit so I want to make sure
b) give me all the dewhickies that you can find (for not too much more expensive)
5) comp in general
a) I want all the parts to fit, I think that makes sense
b) I hope it wont overheat too much, this is an expensive computer.

and out of curiousity, just how powerful can a processor get? do they come in gradations of .8GHz?

and as always, thanks for the advice guys

()Edit()
would be nice if I showed you the parts, wouldnt it?


PARTS

modified to karoke's advice.

SAMSUNG Beige 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache ATA/ATAPI DVD Burner With LightScribe - OEM

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel, SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
(what does "OEM" mean...?)

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card

THERMALTAKE TR2 500W Power Supply ATX12V V2.0

pqi TURBO 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Intel BOXDG965RYCK LGA 775 Intel G965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
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Reply #76 from Sins Forums Top
DANG IT!!! I talked with my step dad and he said anything over $1000 is asking too much...but he doesn't know for sure...
Reply #77 from Sins Forums Top
Well your future build Thrawn will come in at around $1600 shipped. That doesn't include the amount of time you need to spend putting it together or Windows Vista Home Premium/Ultimate.

For me, anything beyond $1500 is throwing away money for a very slight increase in benefits.

Your dad does have a good point in that a $1000 system can still be fairly high-end and perform very well in in DX10 games (or DX9 games).
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Reply #78 from Sins Forums Top

Well your future build Thrawn will come in at around $1600 shipped. That doesn't include the amount of time you need to spend putting it together or Windows Vista Home Premium/Ultimate.

For me, anything beyond $1500 is throwing away money for a very slight increase in benefits.

Your dad does have a good point in that a $1000 system can still be fairly high-end and perform very well in in DX10 games (or DX9 games).


I thought Ibuypower put it together for you (Yarlen suggested the site!)!!!! How much is shipping?!?! A good compy at $1000 dollars means you get a friend to build it for you...for free.

Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) -Network Card (is that LAN only or could I go over the net?) That or I want the "Killer K1 - Online Gaming Accelerator - w/ 333Mhz Network Processing Unit + Lag & Latency Reduction Technology" but its an extra $179 USD


^ No one answered my question if that would effect online gaming (although for the first 6-8 months of having the computer it wouldln't be connected to the net, I would wait for my sister to move O-U-T OUT! So she wouldn't mess it up. She broke the PS2 yesturday...)

w/o better network card its 1322 (I lowered it to that by changing the case, and now it should come with the E6600 and the standard cooling fan!)

Two last questions:
Can the motherboard (Asus P5N-E SLI nForce® 650i SLI Chipset w/6-channel CODEC, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394 Dual PCI-E MB ) handle the 2048MB [1024MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module, Corsair-Value or Major Brand ?

ANY, ANY, potential problems I might run into (like not enough power or RAM, let me know)?!?!

EDIT: I checked out how much it would be to ship it and shipping could be anywhere from $65 to $150 dependingon the method or something.
Reply #79 from Sins Forums Top
I don't put much faith or trust into iBuyPower or CyberPower. I have ordered prebuilds from them in the past. When a part runs out, they swap in something with the same feature set but from a non-reliable brand like SOYO or ECS and don't bother to inform you.


The Killer K1 works as a packet prioritizer, which means it puts your gaming packets out first instead of last. It might (being the key word) lower your ping some if your downloading, but it won't give you 50 ms ping when you're downloading a 4 gigabyte video file. You'll still have high ping, just not as high without the "gamer" NIC (network interface card).


If the DDR2 standard on the ASUS P5N-E SLI is DDR2 800, then yes. If it is not, then no. As for a 2 GB module, you will experience trouble running Vista in its current state if you use 2 GB modules (module means a "stick" of memory).



And for all of the above first-time DIYers, get a anti-static pad for your computer components as well as a anti-static wrist strap. You don't want to fry your computer on its first power-on because some static charge built up in the motherboard or memory.
Reply #80 from Sins Forums Top
Turns out my aunt builds computers so I could just buy the separate parts and she'd build it for me!
Reply #81 from Sins Forums Top

Well your future build Thrawn will come in at around $1600 shipped. That doesn't include the amount of time you need to spend putting it together or Windows Vista Home Premium/Ultimate.

For me, anything beyond $1500 is throwing away money for a very slight increase in benefits.



Yes, that is my belief as well. Techniquelly anything beyond the $1000 - $1200 range can be considered a waste of money.

There are best buy, good buy, and power buy. The best buy is where you get the best out of your money, the good buy is ok if you want to go the extra mile, but Power buy is only when ... well, frankly when you have money to burn really.


Think about it on a scale like this. The maximum is 100 performance points. For the 80 points you only have to pay 10$/point. Then the next 10 points, you will have to pay about 20$/point, the next 5 point will cost you about 50$/point, and well, to get the last 5 points you will probably looking at the price that is about 100$/point. In short, totally not worth it.


Usually if you're not a picky gamer, stop at the first 80 points, and you will still be able to enjoy your new game and also future game for a while, if possible go for the next ten points if you're hardcore. But the last ten points will cost you so much while as the same time offer a very small difference, it's for the elistic player, you won't be paying for performance, but rather bragging right.
Reply #82 from Sins Forums Top
I try to never spend more than 1k on a new PC, and just use as much from my old as possible, mostly hard drives, keyboard, mouse, powersupply if possible.
Reply #83 from Sins Forums Top

I try to never spend more than 1k on a new PC, and just use as much from my old as possible, mostly hard drives, keyboard, mouse, powersupply if possible.


Although nowaday recycling the PSU is not usually as feasible as it once was.
Reply #84 from Sins Forums Top


I try to never spend more than 1k on a new PC, and just use as much from my old as possible, mostly hard drives, keyboard, mouse, powersupply if possible.


Although nowaday recycling the PSU is not usually as feasible as it once was.


quite true with the new power needs of todays GFX cards, heck my PSU is 550 watts and barely cuts it anymore...
Reply #85 from Sins Forums Top
Good for you Schem!

I just built my own pc and while at times it was a little nerve-wracking in the end it was a great experience and I'm really happy I did it myself.

I like the case you chose, I looked at it myself and it was my original choice before I bumped my budget. The E6600 is fast, and has alot of overhead for overclocking. I have mine running at 3.3ghz stable with air cooling(36 celsius load). The WD Raptor is light years faster than my old hd and even though I bought it OEM my mobo came with all the cables I needed. Definately spring for PC-6400 memory if you can. I don't really like the mobo you chose but I suppose it's a done deal and you are working in a tight price bracket. Still it will get the job done.

@Lordkosc
While I agree that spending 1500 or dollars or less is going to get you a fast comp, I don't really see anything wrong with pushing past that to cover things like a larger monitor or a better powersupply and case. Those are things that you can generally re-use when it comes time to refresh your rig. I may have gone a little tiny bit too far with mine, but I don't regret it all.

@Thrawn2787
That BIG Killer K1 has gotten some pretty rough reviews from owners and review sites, I can provide links if you'd like. It's pretty much a big paperweight with a habit of crashing your system. It's not going to provide faster in game pings, it will slow internet browsing down and it will take up space and add one more device you need to download (frequent) driver updates for.

Reply #86 from Sins Forums Top
THERMALTAKE TR2 500W Power Supply ATX12V V2.0

I hope the specifications are lieing to me when I read them, that is it doesn't come with a 6 pin PCI-E connector, which the 8800 needs to work.
Reply #87 from Sins Forums Top
I hope the specifications are lieing to me when I read them, that is it doesn't come with a 6 pin PCI-E connector, which the 8800 needs to work.

it supports PCI-E
Good for you Schem!

you have no idea how much this pisses me off...

we did everything perfectly, everything had a place except the extra wires, everything had a labeled and perfectly fitted socket to fit into. everything was working fine, it passed the "shake" test and the "smoke" test, but when it booted up we got hit with a mysterious problem:

WARNING! USB DEVICE OVERCHARGE DETECTED.
REMOVE OVERCHARGE USB DEVICE.
COMPUTER SHUTTING DOWN IN 20...1.

call the mobo manufacturer, its an inlayed problem in the manufacturing of the motherboard. thats four fucking hours of work down the drain, and now I have to send it to that same computer company to reverse EVERYTHING i worked on and pay them to do what I ALREADY DID (only with a new motherboard of similar design)

this means another hell-week of sitting around doing nothing, except my other computer is down because I had to canabalize it to get the wifi card for the new one, so no video games. I was so pissed I was up for hours last night just ranting about it to myself.

I mean come on. the biggest issue should have been that my friend and I broke something. that comforting idea that we didnt, the feeling of achievment that we actually built something impressive, that we did it right, the hope of playing games at a decent rate. all down the drain in a matter of seconds, I cannot express how devastating this is.
yes, I'll have it back in a week, but half of this was about the experience of building the computer, and thats completely destroyed. the other half, getting a decent piece of modern machinery, is going to have to wait another impossibly boring week, which I could hardly stand waiting for the parts to come the first time.

its not like the graphics card had an issue, and its as simple as getting a new one, taking the old one out and reattatching the new one. its the fucking motherboard, its attatched to everything, the PSU, the drives, the graphics card, the network card... EVERYTHING.
Reply #88 from Sins Forums Top
I hope the specifications are lieing to me when I read them, that is it doesn't come with a 6 pin PCI-E connector, which the 8800 needs to work.

it supports PCI-E

Good for you Schem!

you have no idea how much this pisses me off...

we did everything perfectly, everything had a place except the extra wires, everything had a labeled and perfectly fitted socket to fit into. everything was working fine, it passed the "shake" test and the "smoke" test, but when it booted up we got hit with a mysterious problem:

WARNING! USB DEVICE OVERCHARGE DETECTED.
REMOVE OVERCHARGE USB DEVICE.
COMPUTER SHUTTING DOWN IN 20...1.

call the mobo manufacturer, its an inlayed problem in the manufacturing of the motherboard. thats four fucking hours of work down the drain, and now I have to send it to that same computer company to reverse EVERYTHING i worked on and pay them to do what I ALREADY DID (only with a new motherboard of similar design)

this means another hell-week of sitting around doing nothing, except my other computer is down because I had to canabalize it to get the wifi card for the new one, so no video games. I was so pissed I was up for hours last night just ranting about it to myself.

I mean come on. the biggest issue should have been that my friend and I broke something. that comforting idea that we didnt, the feeling of achievment that we actually built something impressive, that we did it right, the hope of playing games at a decent rate. all down the drain in a matter of seconds, I cannot express how devastating this is.
yes, I'll have it back in a week, but half of this was about the experience of building the computer, and thats completely destroyed. the other half, getting a decent piece of modern machinery, is going to have to wait another impossibly boring week, which I could hardly stand waiting for the parts to come the first time.

its not like the graphics card had an issue, and its as simple as getting a new one, taking the old one out and reattatching the new one. its the fucking motherboard, its attatched to everything, the PSU, the drives, the graphics card, the network card... EVERYTHING.



I'm really sorry to hear that.
The motherboard itself was defective? It was suppyling to many volts or amps to the USB connection? Bizzare.
I would have broken down and cried if after building my pc I found out the mobo was bad and i had to send it back. Still would if the mobo went schizo now. Hopefuly when it comes back it will be good to go and will supply gaming goodness to make up for this.

Good luck Schem!
Reply #89 from Sins Forums Top
I would have broken down and cried if after building my pc I found out the mobo was bad and i had to send it back

oh, you arent alone.
well, close at least...
Hopefuly when it comes back it will be good to go and will supply gaming goodness to make up for this.

I'm praying...

even defective, this mobo has the best performance, upgradeability and cost. that computer company i was going to send to didnt even have a board with a parallel capacity. in fact, they didnt even have one with 4x240pin mem upgrade slots.
Reply #90 from Sins Forums Top
whats worst in all of this is that Newegg is absolutely yanking us around on a chain, our bank has recieved no contact from them, yet they have sent us 6 seperate E-mails stating that the bank denied our claims for one reason or another. we've called them 4 times, and nothing has changed. its absolutely incredible, and I payed to have this thing delivered EXPRESS ONE DAY SHIPPING. thats almost 30 fricking dollars DOWN THE DRAIN because of some idiot mistake they're making. I'm unbelieveably pissed, I doubt they're going to keep me as a customer.
Reply #91 from Sins Forums Top
@Lordkosc
While I agree that spending 1500 or dollars or less is going to get you a fast comp, I don't really see anything wrong with pushing past that to cover things like a larger monitor or a better powersupply and case. Those are things that you can generally re-use when it comes time to refresh your rig. I may have gone a little tiny bit too far with mine, but I don't regret it all.


I should have specified , 1500 was for case and what's in it... Monitor/Speakers/Mouse/Keyboard wasn't included.

Sorry to hear about your problems Schem... Newegg has always been a great company...
Reply #92 from Sins Forums Top
whats worst in all of this is that Newegg is absolutely yanking us around on a chain, our bank has recieved no contact from them, yet they have sent us 6 seperate E-mails stating that the bank denied our claims for one reason or another. we've called them 4 times, and nothing has changed. its absolutely incredible, and I payed to have this thing delivered EXPRESS ONE DAY SHIPPING. thats almost 30 fricking dollars DOWN THE DRAIN because of some idiot mistake they're making. I'm unbelieveably pissed, I doubt they're going to keep me as a customer.


Bizarre.

I bought from newegg and they were prompt and cheap. Their warehouse is also less than a hundred miles from me so my orders arive as if I'd payed for next day shipping.

I'm sorry to hear they dropped the ball and kicked you in the nuts.   
Reply #93 from Sins Forums Top
Their warehouse is also less than a hundred miles from me so my orders arive as if I'd payed for next day shipping.


Same here, I've never gotten anything from them thats taken more than 2 days.
Reply #94 from Sins Forums Top
Yeah, you must of pissed them off somehow schem. Otherwise newegg usually loves their customers.
Reply #95 from Sins Forums Top
maybe it was a functional problem in the system, but still I payed 30 bucks to get this thing today (when three day was free). instead they just processed it half an hour ago which means (since its friday) its going to take three buisness days ANYHOW!

yes, it finally got through, but I'm seriously pissed.
Reply #96 from Sins Forums Top

maybe it was a functional problem in the system, but still I payed 30 bucks to get this thing today (when three day was free) and instead they just processed it half an hour ago.

yes, it finally got through. but I'm seriously pissed.


well there is a difference between express shipping and express processing...
Reply #97 from Sins Forums Top
they process very quickly, but it took them 7 times to process it correctly, that means I have to wait a whole four/five days when I should have waited two.
which means that because of their mistake i just dished out 30 bucks to UPS for absolutely NO reason.
Reply #98 from Sins Forums Top
Schem,
Hmm, ironic you had a bad experience with NewEgg Schem. Usually if you're calm and mannered with them, it usually helps.

As for you motherboard, which ASUS one did you end up getting? I only know of a few of the lower priced ones that experience the USB Overload error. The solution that has worked for a majority was to flash to the latest BIOS version.

And it can be a huge pain when you find out it's your motherboard. I've had a few system mobo's go bad on me during a build and after extensive use. It can be a pain, but that's what most of us DIYers trade in for saving $$$ on our builds over getting it prebuilt.
Reply #99 from Sins Forums Top
ironic you had a bad experience with NewEgg Schem. Usually if you're calm and mannered with them, it usually helps.

we hadnt bothered to call them when the first 3 went bad, the first call was rather pleasant. the one after that was hot, the final one had a nice lady so that was calm to. it had nothing to do with attitude.
As for you motherboard, which ASUS one did you end up getting?

ASUS P5N-E SLI, its nVidia, intel, vista etc. ready. its only 130$, but its not a cheap one.
The solution that has worked for a majority was to flash to the latest BIOS version.

how am I supposed to do that when I cant update it because the computer shuts down? if you know some way to fix it I'm open to hear it.
funny thing is that I would suspect the mobo company to tell me that was the fix.
And it can be a huge pain when you find out it's your motherboard. I've had a few system mobo's go bad on me during a build and after extensive use. It can be a pain, but that's what most of us DIYers trade in for saving $$$ on our builds over getting it prebuilt.

if it was my fault I would have less reason to be pissed, but its not.
Reply #100 from Sins Forums Top
ASUS can seriously go **** themselves. finally brought everything over to the small computer store, BOTH motherboards are broken. thats the old one and the replacement.

well anyway, in my infinite boredom I looked up various things relating to my processor and the graphics card.

the processor is meh, its pretty good considering, but I think its currently my first serious bottleneck, and as such will be upgraded through the roof the instant I make enough for it.

the graphics card is quite amazing (the technology that goes into this stuff is great) its state of the art, and while its the least of its siblings when compared to the GTX and the GTX extreme, its a pretty serious board on its own. this one will probably come later.