Sometimes, You Step Back And Forget Politics.

both on JU and at large, some show the ability to be human before being a party pundit...

People write a lot of things here on JoeUser. Some of theings are profound, some are stupid. Some of them deal with our daily lives, some of them are complete fiction and fantasy. Many of the articles on here, and probably the most popular categories beyond the ones concerning either skinning or galactic civillizations are the ones concerning current events, namely, politics.

At least they appear to be to me. But that is probably because I spend the bulk of my time either writing or responding to something having to do with politics on here. I also spend a good deal of my "offline" time (which , by far , is most of my time) studying, discussing or being involved with political matters. So I submit, that maybe this is "just me" or just my perspective, but recently, some things have happened that put my faith back into the political system we live in.

That is, people's abilities to step out of that world and just be human for awhile. To put aside the rhetoric and viewpoints for a bit to concentrate on something more important, us as people. Not a screen name or representative of anything, just people. And when this happens, I like to think that we are reconnected with a fact that eludes us in all those politicl clashes. The fact that we are all really more alike than those political disputes would suggest as they divide us into opposing camps.

The most significant of that rekindling of actual humanity was when the popular, very conservative despite his name, moderateman was hospitalized and near death.

As anyone who has been on JU longer than 6 months can attest to, even tho we occasionally find some common ground outside of politics, MM and I don't exactly see eye to eye when it comes to the Bush administration. Some of those disagreements have escalated into full blown "blog wars" that lasted for extended periods of time. We blacklisted each other for awhile.

But when his wife, Colleen, announced hastily one morning that her beloved was unconcious in the hospital I saw the JU community stand up and drop all political biases to just support him. For weeks, people from all walks sent messages of support, hope and prayer. There was nothing snide, nothing underhanded and nothing beyond genuine goodwill and the hope that MM would be back with us as soon as humanly possible.

It was inspiring. And it reminded me that people don't need to agree on how or when we should go to war to come together and support a man that by most accounts, is a pretty good guy. No one from "the other side of the fence" even peeped about anything bad about him. No one used his offline status as an excuse to attack him without resistance. Everything writen to him or about him was nothing but supportive in one way or another.

Last week, Elizabeth Edwards and her husband John announced that her cancer, which she beat once, had returned. I expected that some would use it as a launch pad to attack John and his candidacy, but the right and other candidates were silent when they weren't supportive. I realize that it possible for some yahoo to have said something in this (and the next example i will give) example that was insulting to either edwards or his wife, ut fortunately, if that happened, it never boiled to anyone's surface.

Then, earlier this week, white house spokesman Tony Snow was found to have a returned and spreading cancer in his colon and liver. And where the opponents of Edwards had been extremely kind and "apolitical" with her situation, I did wonder if the White House opponents would be the same.

And they were. From the left came announcements of support and well wishes. People who had been at Snow's throat over Gonzalezgate just the day or 2 before, were saying nice things about him and hoping for his speedy recovery. Liberal pundits spoke of Snow's likability as a man, his "gentlemanly" ways at all times and his general decency as a person.

And maybe it's just me, but those things remind me and rekindle my faith that we are much more alike than different. Not everyone is capable of seperating issues and dealing with the people who support one side or another on any 1 issue on different levels. Indeed, I was reminded of that when trying to seek some common ground on parenting with Texas Wahine. turns out, when I tried to offer an olive branch and show where we could "work together" and were on the same side, I was insulted, attacked and threatened after it became clear that I and others had a very strong leg to stand on in our view and Tex even admitted as such. It was clear at that moment that Tex's mind couldn't let her find any commonality with someone who didn't fall in lock step with her political views. What a shame.

At those times now, I 'll just have to think of Moderateman, Elizabeth Edwards and Tony Snow.
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Well spoken.
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Remove my name from your article, please.
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First thank you for the support you showed Colleen and by extension me during my little dance with the grim reaper, it was heartfelt and much appreciated.

I agree that because of political differences that is not an excuse to "hate" someone or to use the differences to demean them either. I heard the other day someone say " My conservative friends have turned their backs on me because of my liberalism" and someone else respond "they are not now nor were they ever your friends or they would not be behaving this way" makes a whole lot of sense to me Sean.

Good article!!

Elie
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I am NOT going to write an article slamming you (like you have done here with me, calling it "fair use reporting" LOL). I am not going to hound you everywhere I see you. I am not going to delete your comments on my thread(s). Despite your inability to respect my boundaries and abide by my blacklist, I will abide by yours.

Because I have self-control and this is the last time you will see me address you or refer to you.

It would be mature and proper for you to remove the paragraph slamming me from your otherwise decent article. I have asked you nicely to remove it.

You can respond to this all you want. I will not reply back.
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Enjoyed the article,  I too was pleased to see the JSers come together in wishing all the best for MM.

Good to read it happens in politics,  which I stay out of!

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Funny, when extending an olive branch, is it traditional to call someone 'holier than thou?'

Your comments to Tex were not looking for common ground, they were insulting.


that was how i labeled her intial position. i kinda figured she abandoned her position when she said "Ok, guys I'm completely and utterly wrong. "

so i used the term in my response "offering an olive branch" about those who still had that position, not her. notice that i address that paragraph in 3rd person. when i am referring to her in that response, it is directly to her.

and in that response, the overlying theme is "working together and being vigilant to prevent abuse" which in my mind at least, is the real issue there.

but neither of ya lil gals got that. and of course, you need to throw out more insults at me by telling me to shove the branch up my ass. which further proves the point i made in the article above. and you fell for that faster and harder than anyone could have predicted (i think joey won the office pool).

have a nice day whip, really:)

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It would be mature and proper for you to remove the paragraph slamming me from your otherwise decent article. I have asked you nicely to remove it.


you contiue to prove my point tex. and by the way, try copying and pasting my name if ya wanna blacklist me, cause so far, it hasn't worked.

I am NOT going to write an article slamming you (like you have done here with me, calling it "fair use reporting" LOL). I am not going to hound you everywhere I see you. I am not going to delete your comments on my thread(s). Despite your inability to respect my boundaries and abide by my blacklist, I will abide by yours


you feel free to write whatever you want.
Despite your inability to respect my boundaries and abide by my blacklist, I will abide by yours.


only after you get your last word in, eh? until then, no respect is given, who do you think you are kidding?

i've made my point on your blog tex, and i assure you, unless you or your lil cronies start more bs with me. expect me to follow your orders like a child or insult me after i tried to find some common ground, i have no problem steerin clear of your blog.

but i will speak freely on my own spot here. and if you want my respect, i suggest you earn it instead of calling me a blowhard and a jerk. and ya may get a little if you didn't have whip trying to cash all the overdrawn checks your mouth draws.

but rest assured, if either of ya are in the hospital, or have a serious thing happen to you or your loved ones, you'll get all the hope and support i can muster from the bottom of my heart.
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First thank you for the support you showed Colleen and by extension me during my little dance with the grim reaper, it was heartfelt and much appreciated.


you are most welcome MM!!! and again, welcome back, we knew ya could do it!

i actually was all sent to send ya something while you were laid up, but then i thought that maybe it might get taken the wrong way, given our adversarial relatonship in the political realm. and by the time i got over that, you were back home...but i did at least try to keep up with your story and offer some support and limericks to make ya chuckle.

I agree that because of political differences that is not an excuse to "hate" someone or to use the differences to demean them either. I heard the other day someone say " My conservative friends have turned their backs on me because of my liberalism" and someone else respond "they are not now nor were they ever your friends or they would not be behaving this way" makes a whole lot of sense to me Sean.


that's right. and in fairness, things do get said in political debate that aren't the most proper things to say...we are all guilty of that (those who swing in the political pool). but i think most of us let it roll off our backs as soon as the next debate starts up or a little time passes. and when baker was "tossed overboard" by the right it would have been easy for me to do a "i told ya so" article, but i refrained, as that was between them. and lord knows, conservatives aren't the only ones who have tossed a dissenter overboard. just ask a democrat the last time a NRA supporter or "pro lifer" spoke at their convention?
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Remember this, Sean, you can spray perfume on a turd all day long, that doesn't make it smell like roses, just a turd with perfume.


seems like you are speaking from experience. enjoy your perfume!

umm, whip i am deleting your post as it has nothing to do with this. if you want to fight tex's position, go to her thread

and i've had enough of your hi-jacking tactics and other b.s. ...buh-bye!
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i have now deleted your vile and feeble comments again whip. you have now clearly and braggingly admitted that your sole purpose is to harrass me, a clear TOS violation. i have not responded since stardock asked me not to yesterday. you have shown your inability to show anything mutual in your continued stalking both here and on tex's post.

some people are just too eager to prove the points i made in the article,,,surprises me even sometimes, lol.

have a nice day:)
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(Citizen)little-whipMarch 29, 2007 11:08:57

btw, Sean, since you've seen fit to delete my posts on your threads, expect the same treatment here.

In other words, don't bother. Just go write another long sob story about how badly misunderstood you are, how unfair JU Admin is, and what meanies me and my 'cronies' are.

but on Tex's thread she says this...

little-whipMarch 29, 2007 11:51:49

I wonder where he is this morning? Do ya think he is pulling a DoN on us? You know, disappearing for a few days until all this sinks below the radar? Of course, anyone then questioning his sudden lack of participation will be accused of 'having no life' because obviously he's got far more important things to do than blog.

Except when he's on here blathering, that is. And that's damn near all day, every day.


notice the times of the posts. at 11:08 she is responding to a post i made this morning correcting her on again misrepresenting my position and setting the record straight. then at 11:51, over a 1/2 hour later, she acts like "i am MIA" and she has "scared me out of here" or something.


you are a liar and you are busted whip.

plus, there was several other "harassing posts" from her since i wrote the "my position" article just this morning.

keep talking. keep showing what a liar and how pathetic you truly are.
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Cancer is not a political football, and I think some (not here at JU) on both sides of the aisle are trying to use both Snow and Edwards in that regard.

i'm sure a few have, but fortunately i haven't seen much of it boil to the surface. this is one case where i think at least many can agree that the "MSM" has actually served as a pretty good "filter" in these cases by not giving the yahoos a bigger stage by ignoring the "cancerous remarks" some are surely making.
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The latest victim.

Good Olive branch tho. Cancer is not a political football, and I think some (not here at JU) on both sides of the aisle are trying to use both Snow and Edwards in that regard. A shame really.
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from the thread i can't even fairly post on...For the record, Sean, don't you EVER pretend to speak for me again. My question to Tex was asked, and answered to my satisfation. You want to start declaring jihad on people on this blog site, do it without me. K?


Gid. i wasn't speaking for you for one moment. i did agree with your position as i stated, that's it. get off your high f*ckin horse pal. i have not done 1 goddamn thing to you. you out of line here, friend. you don't have the right to tell me what to say, what to think or otherwise. of all people, i would expect you to at least acknowledge my right to speak freely and defend myself. i have not been the "aggressor " here by any means imaginable.

but i guess since you were such a coward by posting your high horse opinions on the site where i couldn't reply directly, that just about sums that up. some libertarian you are. defending their hate speech, threats and lack of any sense of decency towards me and actually having the nerve to say what you said to me.

me on a "jihad?" look at how whip is trolloping around trying to sting me with her filth. i'm sorry if your girl tex there got her feelings hurt, but she endorsed and participated in a "jihad" against me. i offered more than once to discuss it with her, or at least stop this crap. give me a freakin break!

and ya know gid, as mean as i'm bein here to you, i'm hopin you are just been exposed to one side before and after you figure it out, i will have a chance to retract these words. but i'm sick of this bullsh*t...it's not right. and if i vented a little too much, that's why.


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but i guess since you were such a coward by posting your high horse opinions on the site where i couldn't reply directly, that just about sums that up. some libertarian you are. defending their hate speech, threats and lack of any sense of decency towards me and actually having the nerve to say what you said to me.

WTF? Defending free speech is anti-Libertarian? I'll tell Shane Cory to cancel my monthly pledge because Sean Conners, the king of blogging and apparently the new executive director of the LP, has decreed that I am not a Libertarian because I defend free speech. I'm sure he'll be enthused to hear that n ot only do you speak for me, you now also speak for the Libertarian Party.

i have not done 1 goddamn thing to you

You attacked a friend. You MADE it personal

 

 

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whatever gid...you tried to tell me what i could and couldn't say. that's not defending free speech.

and i didn't attack anyone back there. i may have used a lil term that someone took offense to, but i wasn't even given an opportunity to apologize or explain myself, just insulted by your friend. then the pile on, lead by whip...who turns out to be just as bad as the claim she makes on the ny times...and i proved it, despite her protests...and she is still running all over the net insulting me (i deleted most of the posts on my blog as they were just bait)and recruiting whoever she can to "gang up on me" cause i'm so bad and all...puhleasseeee...you haven't defended squat except your own ego and pride. if she didn't want me to post so bad on her thread, then why not ask me after i posted the 1st time? because she still resented that i won't have a vasectomy? what a joke.

the title is a lark, btw, and you can call me whatever ya want gid, be my guest, this is america.

i've said my peace. if no one is interested in fairly discussing anything and just want to come after me, piling on a site i agreed not to post on so i can;t even directly defend myself (and you defend that too,,,yeah,,,defending free speech,,,whatever...since when is "free speech" 1 way?).

i'll write what i write and anyone who wants to discuss anything is free to. if ya'll wanna play lil games, be my guest. like i said, i've said my peace and could care less what anyone wants to dictate to me.

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whatever gid...you tried to tell me what i could and couldn't say. that's not defending free speech.


Right. I called the local authorities and tried to have you thrown in jail, right? Or I tried to ban you?

You are so full of shit it's pouring out your ears, sean. I never said what you couold or couldn't say and you know it. You trying to make a personal issue a political one is disgusting and beneath you. Frankly, I will say that in my opinion you are a complete disgrace to the LP, and if more members were like you I would be ashamed to be a member. Fortunately, I haven't found most members like you.

You don't know Tex beyond these pages. We do. And while she is more than capable of defending herself on her own, I am NOT going to sit here and watch you run her down just because you disagree with her politics. ALL she asked you to do initially was stay off her blog and you couldn't bring yourself to do that much until Karma warned you.

What are you proving by attacking people, Sean? Do you think you'll INCREASE your readership? Do you think it ENDEARS you to us? It doesn't. Honestly, I started out liking you more than not, now I will not be reading many of your articles. You lost a reader straight out because you had to be an ass.
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i've said my peace. if no one is interested in fairly discussing anything and just want to come after me, piling on a site i agreed not to post on so i can;t even directly defend myself (and you defend that too,,,yeah,,,defending free speech,,,whatever...since when is "free speech" 1 way?).

i'll write what i write and anyone who wants to discuss anything is free to. if ya'll wanna play lil games, be my guest. like i said, i've said my peace and could care less what anyone wants to dictate to me.