Guess they don't inculde copy-pasting huh?
The test is internationally standardised. Just look in the back of the pdf for their own tests (not the "what do you think of..." or the "averange grade" they're pointless)

well, the rest of your points on education are pretty much moot, as it is NOT better...


good thing we have proper non-government control on it. Also, we're not electing the religious nutcases (as much), like US citizens are.



And "sucks to be you" for everyone who does need a hospital? a big "fuck you" to people who need a lot of medication every day? Wow, that's real friendly of you.



hmm, really sorry you never even got the the index page... check the apendixes for the tables i was refering to. Also, yes, i missed a letter in copy-pasting. Guess your 'superior education' didn't teach you how to complete ".ph" in a url.

I don't mind your bragging, but make sure you've got your facts straight.
WWW Link

I hear the SAS doesn't suck, but thats from Mathew Reilly novels so not really the most credible source...

but its based off the European system.
its not a ballanced system.

hey, how about you learn to cut and paste correctly before you start throwing around accusations.

check your own fucking links

obviously the system doesnt work.
and your dealing with a vocal minority matter, poor support for your arguement.

its simple logic. more people suffer from paying those bills than do people who benefit.

if you used a 1/2 way decent end code to your url then MAYBE i would have the logic to know what it is.
I've never EVER heard of a .php ending to a URL code. think that one through genius. if you expect people to fill in the gaps, make sure the gaps are obvious.

then use an international source that either
1) I've taken a test from
2) I've at least heard of. not this obscure, small scope crap.

Looks like someone is getting to you again. In the words of Yarlen "Take a deep breath and relax" .



Prove that it isnt.



Again, wheres the proof.

Do you also want to follow the same rule?

fine, I'll just tear up the link then

need I even comment

way too small a test pool for 100 million students.

near the end of compulsory education. thats also near the end of hard puberty. thats no measure of education

I would tear up that whole book, but I'd be here all day.

but let me point out that, from what I've seen, your source pooling is poor (very small test groups) and the age restrictions of the test ranges is also restrictive.

One good point, and youd have a great start



Then what is, tell me what your contradction to this would be, one example is all I ask for.



No, there are scientific ways of picking the right random sample for the best representation of a very large amount of people.

I suggest you study Statistics before you go ahead an make false statements.

how about when your forebrain is at least half way developed? 18 is a fine compromise.

I know all about statistics.
I also know that these tests are (for economic efficiency and convinience) taken in a few areas with a good amount of people (50+ usually) this noding system is a poor statistical method.

you have corruption of statistics. its that simple.

no. not at all
say for example, you decide to take in as many factors as possible, 10,000 students tested, 50 per area thats 200 test areas.
say we try to divide into as many fair test groups as possible, suburban, rural, urban is one divicive factor, so we divide the groups up according to percentage of students in each
now we divide up by budget of the schools, again by percentage
finally say we divide up by geographic prevalence, south central, south west, bread basket, north east, north west, south east, north central the rockies etc.
at this point you have to redo the entire system so that everybody gets represented by something, percentages cant fit this.
now: you have just a few groups in each area, maybe 2 schools are tested for every 1000 in the area, now you factor in other variables that 200 groups are invdivisible over.

now, as you can see, its quite obvious taht the smaller, more monographic European states have a distinct advantage, these divisions are putting abnormal percentages of tests into the more distinct lower regions, rather than the pervasive better system.

Where did you hear this?

lots of places
from a neurologist, from several bio articles, from a bio teacher.

Well, they are wrong.

May I ask you what the frontal lobe is most esential for first of all.

...
most all of your higher level thinking (math, philosophy, analysis)

damn! you know, how could a neurologist possibly stand up to your absolute knowledge?

Wrong!!

I love it when people get this wrong. Yes it is what enables us to do these things.
But, it is mainly used as a center of personality, it is what makes you you.

And math isnt centered there, more like the midel of the right lobe.

And it isnt halfway developed, more like 3/4. And most of the congnitive functions are there, the evolving personallity is the only thing that keeps us from fully utilizing these skills till around the mid-twenties.

first of all I was being sarcastically open with the time thing.
and I quote:
"The Frontal lobes have been found to play a part in impulse control, judgment, language production, working memory, motor function, problem solving, sexual behavior, socialization and spontaneity. The Frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling and executing behavior."

...
the personality isn't anything more than a bunch of complex analysis and decision making loops tied backwards into each other and dependant on one another.
i.e. you just sayed I was wrong and offered tp replace my statement with "I agree with you completely".

and, I quote:
"Research by Arthur Toga, UCLA, found increased myelin in the frontal lobe white matter of young adults compared to that of teens, whereas gray matter in parietal and temporal lobes was more fully matured by teen years"
whether or not it was "1/2" (sarcasm) or "3/4" the fact is that there is a huge absence of myelin in the frontal lobe at ages of 15 and 16. as I'm sure you know, the fat sheaths on neurons help to keep their messages from becoming jumbled and allows the messages to pass quickly.
i.e. the testing at younger ages is more likely to reveal well for rote workers, not analytical thinkers.
I also found an interesting little piece of excerpt data suggesting that those very myelin sheaths dissapear in that age range.
and dont nag about how reliable it is.
cant get the full article though.

This and



This.

Are too different things.


I really do wonder sometimes...

hey, we cant all be perfect
and besides, I just woke up when I wrote that.

no, no they are not. philosophy is deep problem solving and judgement, analysis is problem solving socialization and judgement, mathmatics is problem solving, memory, spontaneity coordination excecution planning and controlling.
its also a bit of impulse control, especially when the juices are flowing   

just because I'm giving specific examples of something that is explicitly stated, doesnt mean I'm wrong.

True, but the fact that you specified one thing not compeletly related gave me a small whole from which to work from.

Truely I see nothing to really argue about.

The test if valid there, the same way the ACTs are valid here.

Its a big world after all.

ACTs are granted at a greater age. primarily.
additionally they dont cross international borders, where teaching manner becomes an issue.

and what I'm pointing out is that it is rote-oriented, you cannot expect a 15 yr old kid to be analytical. the test is basically null
for the sake of understanding: I dont qualify rote as a good education system.

The ACTs are for 16 year olds.

One year differance doesnt really change anything.

16 and 17

primarily 17. and I didnt say that I support the ATC testing ideas either. in fact I think that the construction of most tests are shitty, they dont test intelligence or understanding. they test rote work.

Please illuminate on this statement. To me it makes no sense.....



Not likely, at least where I am, if you wait till 17 then your not going anywhere.

so you take the test late sophmore/early junior year? thats different. and not altogether good for you

do you not know what "rote" means? because its a rather obscure word. it means "by habit". in essence I mean that it tests how well you memorize stuff, not how good you are at a subject.

All tests do that, some of the questions that are asked however only require logic and not any sort of knowledge. Thats why some people dont even study for tests like that.

And yes I am going to be taking the ACT early junior year right after I turn sixteen. The program here is different, most teens are sixteen in junior year and seventeen senior year.

not all tests, but yeah, most.

for me most kids are 16 late soph/early junior and 17 late junior/early senior.
I think thats what you mean. in which case you're a sophmore?

Yes, yes I am.
But I will be seventeen all of senior year, which will not be as fun as being eighteen but thats why there are fake ids