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Antimatter and Phase Jumping

Antimatter and Phase Jumping

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Antimatter and Phase Jumping:
Phase jumping does not cost antimatter. The act of jumping has a negative effect on antimatter that renders portions of it unuseable effectively consuming it. Thus, a ship without any antimatter reserves can still make a jump.

Blair


So far as I know, that is all the information we have available on the subject.

My take on it is that it is a defense against being unable to jump due to low AM but still preventing you from jumping around like a kangaroo all hopped up on speed.

On your way IN the effect would be pretty much the same as if it was just consumed: there is a portion of the AM that you cannot use for a period of time. The rate at which it become usable again is unknown. It could be the same as normal recharge or it could be slower or even faster for all we know. I seriously doubt that that it is permanent because that would encourage camping strategies.

On the way OUT, however, it makes a huge difference because now no matter how depleted your AM is from a battle you can still make a jump. That could be the difference between losing your entire fleet in a lost battle and making a successful retreat and live to fight another day.

I think that it will be represented as a grayed-out (or some equivalent) area at the beginning or end of your antimatter bar that recharges/become available again at a different rate than antimatter that has been used in the conventional sense.

Anyone else feel like taking a crack at reverse-engineering the whole system from 3 short sentences?
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Reply #76 Top
Not the bar, Einstein, but the antimatter in the fuel tank. This loss would be represented the same way as any other antimatter consumption would: a less than full bar. Get it? "that renders portions of it unuseable" ... "it" being antimatter. "portions" meaning less than all of it.

Of course I realize that frozen is just a general term. That's why I said "or any other similar term." The general meaning of all such terms being that it is unusable NOW but will become usable again at some point in the future.
Reply #77 Top
I think this whole argument about the anitmatter being frozen after a jump is alrdy answered in blairs orignal post.

In it he says specifically that antimatter will be "effectively consumed" iam pretty sure that it implies it is gone permanetly cause as far as i know when u consume something it is gone

Reply #78 Top
Ok get your flaming skills ready Schem!:

What if the phase jump functions like this.

To open the jump into phase-space takes an infinitesimal portion of energy, because at that moment the phase space is infinitesimal in size. The longer the jump takes the larger the amount of energy is needed to form the phase-space. Phase-space can be imagined as a tunnel, though in reality you can't see it or describe its shape since its form is defined by the energy of the jump. (And really it wouldn't be a tunnel, but its a useful analogy.) The longer the jump, the bigger the tunnel, the more energy is needed.

When the ship reaches the end of its trip it reconnects the phase-space to normal space and exits. The energy used to maintain the phase-space is the boundaries of the phase-space, and when you exit the phase-space it remains within. Leaving you with a depleted stock of anti-matter.

What happens to the energy and the phase-space then is conjecture. No one can observe it or re-enter that particular phase-space, so does it still exist? Perhaps the energy reenters the galaxy in some way. Perhaps phase-jumps are depleting the energy of the universe by trapping it within individual phase-spaces.

If ships can communicate from within phase-space, they may be using an "ansible" to communicate with others outside of phase-space. I don't really understand or want to get into a discussion of quantum mechanics but there's one possibility. In addition if ships are within separate phase-spaces they cannot meet in transit.

All right Schem and others be gentle. (Please)
Reply #79 Top
But then Blairs post would be contradictory.
Reply #80 Top
Not the bar, Einstein, but the antimatter in the fuel tank

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Of course I realize that frozen is just a general term. That's why I said "or any other similar term." The general meaning of all such terms being that it is unusable NOW but will become usable again at some point in the future

then what case are you making?
its like calling a dog a canine, you're saying the same thing with a different set of terms.
In it he says specifically that antimatter will be "effectively consumed" iam pretty sure that it implies it is gone permanetly cause as far as i know when u consume something it is gone

again, idiots who think that everything a person says is to hang your life by!
dont DO that!
All right Schem and others be gentle. (Please)

still doesn't explain why it cant just be regened, which Wedge is implying that it cannot.
Reply #81 Top


In it he says specifically that antimatter will be "effectively consumed" iam pretty sure that it implies it is gone permanetly cause as far as i know when u consume something it is gone

again, idiots who think that everything a person says is to hang your life by!
dont DO that! [/quote]

Ok tell me y it is idiotic to assume wat an actual dev says is right. It is totaly possible that wat he says could be changed at any moment but at this time we have to assume wat he says is law. also the fact that he chose to say consumed which btw means (according to the dictionary) to destroy or expend by use which means that it is gone he could very easily have said that it was used temporarily but he did not and it did not seem like he wanted to imply that




Reply #82 Top
Has this debate deteriorated or what? Moderators NEED to step in here and start deleting the tonnes of spam.

And Schem, what the hell do you think gives you the justification to call people names all the time? You're the one constantly breathing upon people's necks because of the terms used, waiting for any mistake they make, however small it is. When it comes to your idiotic remark, everybody is stupid for "not getting that frozen means unusable in a very broad sense".

And the devs never used the term frozen. You very nicely only quoted the first part of what Blair said...

The act of jumping has a negative effect on antimatter that renders portions of it unuseable effectively consuming it.

CONSUMING suggests the loss of a portion of AM, not it's temporary "freezing".

Now PLEASE stop being an arse and stop posting just for the sake of posting. There is an off-topic forum for that, so don't turn this one into it as well.

And if there is a single moderator/administrator around, PLEASE start deleting the spam. It's turning these otherwise great forums into trash. Naturally, do delete THIS post as well.
Reply #83 Top
Ok tell me y it is idiotic to assume wat an actual dev says is right

what they say is reliable, but nobody (except english pHDs) uses every single word perfectly. you guys like to assume that.
also the fact that he chose to say consumed which btw means (according to the dictionary) to destroy or expend by use which means that it is gone he could very easily have said that it was used temporarily but he did not and it did not seem like he wanted to imply that

and people like to say that space is expanding, which isn't exactly the correct term.

I'm pointing out the logical fumble that is being too strict with other people's words.
You're the one constantly breathing upon people's necks because of the terms used, waiting for any mistake they make, however small it is. When it comes to your idiotic remark, everybody is stupid for "not getting that frozen means unusable in a very broad sense

because its completely justifiable in a strict arguement, where wording is important. But when a Dev speaks it doesnt mean everything is in exact terms
And Schem, what the hell do you think gives you the justification to call people names all the time

you're right. I apologize
Now PLEASE stop being an arse and stop posting just for the sake of posting. There is an off-topic forum for that, so don't turn this one into it as well.

this is completely on topic. I'm saying that the arguement of the pure consumption of AM capacity makes NO sense whatsoever, you guys are countering with exactly the Devs words, and I'm saying thats unreliable.
And if there is a single moderator/administrator around, PLEASE start deleting the spam. It's turning these otherwise great forums into trash. Naturally, do delete THIS post as well.

they dont have the resources to do that. let alone over how many forums that they have?
Reply #84 Top

Gang, you're getting very worked up over a game concept.

Everyone take a deep breath and relax.

After a Phase Space jump, a portion of the anti-matter a ship has "vanishes" and needs to be replenished (which happens naturally from the Star). That's how it appears in-game to the player.

Reply #85 Top

Gang, you're getting very worked up over a game concept.


Everyone take a deep breath and relax.


After a Phase Space jump, a portion of the anti-matter a ship has "vanishes" and needs to be replenished (which happens naturally from the Star). That's how it appears in-game to the player.




my hero
Reply #87 Top

Gang, you're getting very worked up over a game concept.


Everyone take a deep breath and relax.


After a Phase Space jump, a portion of the anti-matter a ship has "vanishes" and needs to be replenished (which happens naturally from the Star). That's how it appears in-game to the player.




Yep, there's your answer, fishbulb
Reply #88 Top
Everyone take a deep breath and relax.

Someone who understands, thank you Yarlen!!

because its completely justifiable in a strict arguement, where wording is important. But when a Dev speaks it doesnt mean everything is in exact terms


Considering that this is a game, plus the fact that everyone makes mistakes negates this statement.

Ok tell me y it is idiotic to assume wat an actual dev says is right.


Hm... maybe cause it will change... I dont know I just had that crazy idea

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Gasp, sarcasm from Schem.
Reply #89 Top

Ok tell me y it is idiotic to assume wat an actual dev says is right.


Hm... maybe cause it will change... I dont know I just had that crazy idea



well i did point that out though   
Reply #90 Top
Yeah, we haven't even been able to pick the beta to pieces and toss it back to the Dev's. Things will change.
Reply #91 Top
Hmm so far both you and Schem have added Sentient to your names...
Reply #92 Top
Ill be next, once I am done deciding on a name. I want to U's, so far its Urbane, but I can do better.