I dont want to get into an arguement over stem cell research, its the fact that we dont understand it that makes me want us to explore it. I know it gets rejected i stated so didnt I. And Biology is really the only way to go for this century, all technological advancements have so many laws against them that its almost impossible to really "advance" to new things, we are just making old things better now, there hasnt been anything "new" in half a decade(besides what the government is hiding from us). Now Biology, genetic biology that is, has little laws against it currently, opening ways for many countries and illegal scientist to pursue science without thinking too much about ethics or laws. I think that as soon as some dabates(mostly here), are settled hundreds of articles and new researches will flood the world.

Also, most other industries are dwindeling, automotives are falling, nuclear advancement is very restricted and confined, agriculture is becoming a thing of the past, bussiness isnt really going anywhere anymore, the ISS is going to sustain more delays, so real space expansion wont start till mid-late 21st century. Nowthere are two things that are growing, computers and biology(health services/drug companies). Either one will lead us to a new age of information and overall society improvements. I hope for the best, truely i do. Lets just see how America deals with things, the rest of the world seems to follow. Still, i dont mean to nag, but it seems resentment towards the US is growing globaly, other world powers are forming. As you said China and India are coming up here to join us, and Russia is begining to expand its commerce so it wont be long till it once again "reverts to old ways".

all technological advancements have so many laws against them that its almost impossible to really "advance" to new things

like what? nukes perhaps, yes. but there aren't any real other laws in the EU or America yet. (well, I dunno about the EU, but America doesnt restrict said types of research)

all technological advancements have so many laws against them that its almost impossible to really "advance" to new things

oh come on, we haven't remotely gotten into the realm that mechanical and digital technology can take us to.

its the fact that we dont understand it that makes me want us to explore it.

but we do understand it. all thats left is to fully disect the HGP!

And Biology is really the only way to go for this century

like I said, we are the epitomy of biology (us and cockroaches) and neither of us are particularly good at anything.

most other industries are dwindeling, automotives are falling, nuclear advancement is very restricted and confined, agriculture is becoming a thing of the past

where do you get this notion from?

so real space expansion wont start till mid-late 21st century

hell, even thats optimistic.

As you said China and India are coming up here to join us, and Russia is begining to expand its commerce so it wont be long till it once again "reverts to old ways

coming, yes. but they still have a long way to travel, hell, China hasn't even finished its first industrial revoultion! (Russia has a lot of internal affairs to take control of before they start expanding at all. but they have never gotten away from their "old ways")

the ISS is going to sustain more delays

its quite obvious that whatever nation gets into space first (and holds a monopoly there) will definately be the most powerful nation for at least a few centuries to come. I think the US should ditch its allies and get a strong grip on space rather than drag along some other countries.

Ditching our allies would be very stupid, the point i have been trying to get across is that the US has become very spoiled and arrogant the rest of the world BARELY deals with us. I am afraid to actually see the US push the other countries to the limit, sure they are a dominating force, but if the even if half the Security Council were to unite together against us, bad thing would happen. Not only would our economy collapse in weeks as european and asian investors pull out billions of dollars in stocks. But, our millitary, what can i say on this subject. Our millitary has become very ill maned, sure we have the best equipment and budget, but if we were to enter full scale war, half of all of our millitary equipment wouldnt have anyone to operate it. Plus, the companies that manufacture our current matterials might refuse to do that. Because so many companies have spread to other countries they will really have options and if i had the choice to catter to one person or catter to a dozen, than i would choose the dozen.

To actually start a research project on average youll need three diffrent permits, approval of administration, and a Department signature. Also, it will require constant report and observal by at least one government official. Plus, there are a bunch of Associations out there that will dig something up to prove any research unethical or unpractical as they feel. Very unfriendly world for any researches, unless of course you work for the government. I have a good friend who has been trying to get a good job as a nuclear physisit, but because hes from the former Soviet Union hes been cycled through the Foreign relations department so many times, and each time they tell him that they wont give him a green card. He meats all the right criteria, but o wait you worked for the Soviet Union. Sorry, we cant give you a green card... and then they hint that he might be able to get one if he will work for the government. Kind of unfair if you ask me.

Many areas of China are done with their revolution, some of their cities have more advanced building and transportation methods then we do here. China is just a very big country, if you look at how long it took us to Revolutionize and compare they arent doing so badly. Plus they have a lot more to deal with internally than we do, seeing as they have over a billion more citizens than we do.

European investors are a big amount of our Income, true. but most of our revenue comes from Asia. and they dont bow down to the UN.
either way, Europe would be on a suicide mission to cut ties with us, it would take just short of all out war to get them to do this, their economy is precariously balanced on our existance.

some of their cities have more advanced building and transportation methods then we do here

if your talking Beijing? yeah, but that was on English lease.
being a communist nation China limits the amount of cities foreignors can visit. and even the best of them are just a few zeroes above slums, at least when compared to the US.
have you ever read silk and steel?
trust me, if the country is labeled as "developing nation" (i.e. third world) then it isnt much of a political/economic/military threat yet.

He meats all the right criteria, but o wait you worked for the Soviet Union

I can understand the motive for not letting this guy all by his lownsome. unfortunately working for the USSR is a cause for eyebrow raising.
besides, if he worked for his old government I dont see why he wouldnt work for a new one. sure there are way more strings attatched, but the financing is much better and usually you are granted access to more resources.

To actually start a research project on average youll need three diffrent permits, approval of administration, and a Department signature. Also, it will require constant report and observal by at least one government official.

yeah, thats so somebody doesnt go making an H-Bomb in our own territory. trust me, Europe has that to.

Working for the USSR, i mean actually developing weapons really puts a lot of pressure on someone. He said he doesnt want to do that again, he is very tallented at what he does(i think one of the teams he lead helped discover a new element). So he would be able to get a job elsewhere in the world, yet he likes it here even though they denie him a green card. He would have a much better job if he did, but he says he gets along fine for now. Still i think its unfair, he hasnt or wont ever do anything bad, a person doesnt pick where he was born. And its not like they gave him much of a choice really, USSR was desperate for scientist and he was pretty much forced into it.

And in not only talking about Beijing, how about also Hong Kong and Shang Hi, both of which rival New Yorks revenue output(again more people, we have to factor that in).

Glad you agree on the income thing, im just not really willing to see us push the limits i mean with the tensions so high right now, and all these countries completly upset by the out turn of the Iraq War. Just bad stuff, i am pretty sure half the UN is secretly hopin we "lose" or at least admit that its a civil war there(o wait i forgot, its only the DEFENITION of civil war thats going on there, not the actual thing )

he hasnt or wont ever do anything bad

too bad we aren't stamped with that on our forhead when we're born.

Hong Kong and Shang Hi

dude, many many people (definately beat NY there) but they're mostly slums, not higher tech in the least.

or at least admit that its a civil war there

I seriously think they need a new definition for this, its completely different from a civil war. either way, its not exactly like Sadam was preventing this now was he? he just wasn't bringing it into the limelight. people blame our actions for unveiling something that has existed for decades now.

all these countries completly upset by the out turn of the Iraq War

what? you think they dont like it?
sure, they're putting on a show, but they aren't wasting ANY troops in there, and they are getting loads of weapon and logistics contracts.
the european nations are eating this up.

well, EU depends a lot on america, but not for long, i think that in a few decades(20 years more o less) new countries will rise and give EU and other nations another market to use and they will have the option to not buy american stuff.

except from electronics(pc,mp3,ect) , you can already buy a lot of stuff not from america. Plus most of electronics are "thinked" in america but made in 3d world countries. So if half of the world(crapy countries) cuts relations with america, electronics will not be cheap anymore.

the things is that america forces you to trade with them, one way or another. dont get me wrong they have lot of good things and are excelent in a lot of things but they have an horrible foregein policy.

ps:russia is done, they dont have money for nothing, plus they sell weapons to everyone, with the problems that brings.

but not for long, i think that in a few decades(20 years more o less) new countries will rise and give EU and other nations another market to use and they will have the option to not buy american stuff.

lets break down the world market for all of us here
Europe: Trade contracts, some limited agriculture and a lot of middleman trading
China and the Indochinese area: Cheap labor, trade, spices
South America: Oil and cheap labor
Middle East: um... not so sure about anything but oil...
US: lotsa lotsa Agriculture, and almost all of the central heads of big corporations are based here. Technology and Patents are sold from here in bundles.

the lucky thing about America is that its a difficult economy to displace, after a huge Eurussia area brain-drain we have had a deathgrip monopoly on technology, patents, and hamburgers.
besides, we have Mcdonalds! (pulls the death card)
I seriously doubt that the American market will be replaced anytime soon. no other country in the world (or even fake continental Confederations!) has come close to our type of economy. even with the ascent of the Asian countries we aren't going to lose our economic heading, in fact I would put my money in to say that China will only propel our economy farther (lotsa lotsa exports)

Your wrong about the US having lots of agrilculture we dont, most of our food is imported. We have a lot of grain farming but otherwise meet and dairy products are made elsewhere. Though we do provide a lot of raw matterial. We have technology, but lots of scientist are leaving, many european countries not only offering better pay, but better benifits. And our education system, although the best orginized, is not the most advanced or motivated. Students here are lagging behind by an average of 2 years compared to European students, or even Chinesse private school students. We are lossing our valuable brain power, and we cant afford new brain power because everyone who is remotely intelligent will want a good pay check and benifts, something say India or China wont have, and the Europe will offer more off. Europe produces a lot of luxury items(alcohol, jewelry, fine foods) as well as having a lot of old bonds and stocks that are worth billions by now.

tudents here are lagging behind by an average of 2 years compared to European students

not true, thats a mistatement.
Europe sets kids down pre-arranged roads REALLY early in their education, they may learn more of a certain topic, but they dont learn as much in total.
and China forces any talented kids to become scientists, their ed system is shit. dont bring that one up.

otherwise meet and dairy products are made elsewhere

*cough* beef *cough* chicken *cough* industries. some of the largest in the world

scientist are leaving, many european countries not only offering better pay, but better benifits

the trend is quite the opposite. true many biologists facing persercution here are leaving (good ridance, stem cells dont work anyhow!). but the vast majority are moving in other fields are moving into the US, we provide much better systems of technological advancement, and trust me. scientists care MUCH more about their research than say, fine cheeses, wine or government benefits.

Europe produces a lot of luxury items(alcohol, jewelry, fine foods) as well as having a lot of old bonds and stocks that are worth billions by now.

what does fine things have to do with anything?
either way, their stock still has a ways to go to catch ours, we are the largest expanding DEVELOPED country (otherwise india and china lead) and stock is growing here way more than in Europe (stock prices are irrelevant, their % growth is all that matters)

No, im am not talking about Europian stocks, and your wrong there again not China or India, Japan leads second in the stock market, followed by Britain. I am talking about the amount of money they have invested in our stock market, they built are stock market really. They were the frist major investors, and some companies that have existed for about a century are now very wealthy, and a lot of their stock belongs to the once extremely wealthy(now collapsing) families of England, France and Ittaly. And no, when i was learing in Russia sure there was preset requirements, but there were many other electives there that students here wouldnt recieve untill college or even untill an masters program. Though i have to admit once they found out i was good in math they started pushing me in that direction more and more. Good thing i left, the education system here is a lot more fitting, but sometimes i feel like im just relearning things, and it makes feel like im wasting my time. O well nothing can be perfect.

companies are in Japan because they provide a highly skilled, but relatively cheaper labor source. the heads of such things as Sony and Microsoft (not nintendo) are based in America, and the actuall technological R&D is in fact, here.


Another one sigh...,

Sony is a Japanese company. Micorsoft would be about the only one you got right. Hitachi, Toshiba, Sony, Nintendo, and several hundred others are in fact based in Japan and have much to do with computers as they are now. Your wrong about R&D also. To get technical it would not be based in the USA proper. Need you a computer history? After IBM, Japan broke most of the tech you use now. Sorry to burst you bubble. Japan has always been on the edge of the envelope concerning computers and micro-units. I really do not know where some of you guys come up with this. I guess from following such games as GalCiv2 *coff* lmao.

Sony is a Japanese company

They are in fact a multinational company, who have many branches in different areas. and in fact their current (or soon to be) manager is American
thank you very much.

Japan has always been on the edge of the envelope concerning computers and micro-units

your right, I mispoke in a certain sense
they do have their own massive amount of R&D going on, but more of it comes from here. all those companies do have large R&D branches rooted in the US. I havent seen a patent in computer technologies not sold to japan yet.

many of the managers of these "japan based" companies are in fact Japanese-Americans or Americans. and the tight ties between the two countries in term of economy has them relying on us for the tech, and us relying on them for the production.
Japan is a production based economy, definately not a techno-advancement based one.

All we say is very biased, concerning who we like the best. We are angeling some of the information to help our side of the arguement.

Your right about management, most company chair people would want to move the management branch here. Why? One reason, money. In most other countries there is a limit to how much the mangement can earn, here however the CEOs get more money than they should. Most of them dont even do anything and they get millions. In Japan, they have a very strict law, i cant remember correctly but the amount the CEO earns can only be some precentage more than the lowest ranked employee.

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Master of Orion is dead... LONG LIVE GAL CIV 2!!!

there is a limit to how much the mangement can earn, here however the CEOs get more money than they should

but there is a certain genius behind this system. sure its not exactly great for protecting the employees, but the system ensures that the company will be productive, otherwise the CEO wont get a lot of money.

besides, rich CEO's are very good for stocks.

CEOs get more money than they should

they get more money than they should everywhere...
but then again, I'm the typical caucasian Christian Protestant, typical CEO type person, so i'll admit I'm very biased.

South America: Oil and cheap labor

what? this show you source is wrong, one country(venezuela) has lot of oil, the rest are small markets, except form brazil and argentina. Brazil sell lots of stuff(agriculture and stuff from factory). Argentina sells a lot of grain and other stuff like that(in some areas we sell more that anyone in the world). Plus we make software.

yes sony is a multinational but a japanese one. one thing is the ceo ,other is the owners.

I still think that the CEOs dont work enough for the money they earn. Some do, others dont even care about their company, just about the money.

what? this show you source is wrong

when coca cola uses military tactics to enslave people, trust me its a cheap labor market.
whens the last time you've gotten imported "south american" grains or fruits?
not me.

Um most of our cocoa comes from there, or the carribean, as well as sugar.

true, I'll admit I made a mistake
but beyond that there isnt much to speek of.

The rest of the world offers a lot, its just it not always profitable for those countries to sell things here. Open your eyes and broaden your horizons a bit, is all i have to say.

The rest of the world offers a lot

yes, but they have limited markets that are way overdue for massive fluctuations. America's economy is far more rooted. and besides, there is never a lack of need for new technology xD

Yes but how long before technology become relly hard to control. I mean some companies are already slanting laws in their favor, and coroporations havent payed attention to ethics since their insception, the only thing holding them back is the government, but how long before they gain too much strength.

strictly speaking of economics, all of that is favorable.
it provides nice cash influx (unless they send away jobs)
besides, the biggest real inventors of stuff are small, individual based companies, not large ones.