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Sex Talk

A thumping red white and blue basketball on the concrete drive is becoming the background music of our home.  My ten year old son spends most days now, as winter turns to spring, attempting to make every shot his skinny arms propel toward the basket.

In the last several days the thumping is more sporadic and even halting for long periods of time.  Every time I notice this phenomenon I look out to see the cause.

There standing in my drive is a well developed, curvy, twelve year old woman child.  She just moved in with her grand parents next door.  When the basketball starts stuttering, I know she is on the court.

I was debating on when to start talking to my son about sex.  This and a few other things  propelled me to do it now.

Yesterday I brought him into the kitchen and this is how the conversation went.

“H do you know the difference between boys and girls?”  I asked.

He rolled his eyes.  He is an innocent ten, but still thinks he knows everything.

“Uh yeah mom.  Girls have boobies.”  He said.

I nodded.  “And is that it?”

He sucked his teeth.  “Yeah.”

I said, “Well no baby that’s not the only physical difference.  Girls don’t have a penis.”

His blue eyes rounded.  “Huh?”

I said, “Remember the other day when your brother (3 year old) was saying ‘uh oh mommy!  No pee pee.  Mommy’s pee pee ran away!’

H nodded.

I said, “Well what do you think he meant?  He saw me in the shower and was shocked to see I was missing something.”

H snorted.  “I never listen to him mom.”

I said, “So tell me H what have you heard at school.  Have you heard about sex?”

He sat up straight and took a deep breath (obviously glad to be on firm ground).  He said, “Well, I know one thing for sure.  Girls can’t pee unless they’re on their period.”

Buwhahahahhahaha.

I laughed I couldn’t help myself.

I said, “Nope that’s not quite right, but it is funny!”

I explained the basic anatomy of a woman ‘down there’ and used all the appropriate names.  Then explained in sketchy details how a woman has a period and gets pregnant, by her husband of course!

When I was done, his face was red and he looked like he just ate a very sour lemon.

He said, “Why would anyone want to EVER get married?  That is gross!  Girls are gross!”  (Which reminded me of the time he said he was never getting married because our house would be too crowded.)

I said, “Well I will remind you of that when your hormones are flying and you hit puberty.  Remember our talk about puberty?”

He nodded.

“So tell me what I just told you about sex.”  I said.

He sighed and looked at me like I was making him eat broccoli or clean the toilet.  “A boy gets married and uses the bathroom in a girl, and she has a baby.”

I laughed again.  That wasn’t quite right, but close enough for now I guess.

I said, “Do you have any questions?”

He said, “No!  Are we done?”

I said, “Just one more thing.  Anytime you hear something at school from your friends, come home to me and we’ll talk about it.  Most of it will probably be wrong so don’t  be freaked out if you hear something from your friends that is scary or weird.”

He looked me right in the eye and said, “Mom my friends could never say anything weirder than what you just told me.”

I raised my eyebrows and said, “We’ll see.  You can go back outside now.”

He jumped up and started to trot out the kitchen door when he sighed.

I said, “What’s wrong?”

He said, “That old gross girl is always coming over trying to play basketball mom.  Doesn’t she have any manners?  Doesn’t she know she wasn’t invited?”

I said, “H she just moved in and is trying to make friends.  If you don’t want her over here though, I can talk to her.”

He rolled his eyes (he’s at that stage, sometimes I wonder if he ever sees anything but the ceiling all day).  “Maybe if I ignore her she will go away.”

Today when the basketball started stuttering, I looked out and my son was doing his very best to pretend she wasn’t standing right in front of the basket talking.

Finally, she slapped the ball out of his hand to get his attention.  He looked at her and she giggled.  Then she ran (assuming I suppose he would chase her).  He picked up his basketball, muttering under his breath and started dribbling again.  No stutters.

She didn’t come back….yet.

I wonder how long it will be before the roles are reversed, and he is the one looking for her company?

ARGH!  Hopefully a loooooooooong time.

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Reply #26 Top


yup, that was the best

HAHA.  Kinda like a toilet with reproduction capabilities.....NIIIIIIICE.

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will check that book out though...now I am curious!


Ya, it was good. The young man that wrote it did a follow up called "Boy Meets Girl." It was about meeting his wife. He's also a very sought after speaker especially after those books came out. If you're familiar with Focus on the Family with James Dobson, he's had him on the radio as well and you can listen to a past broadcast. He's been on a couple of times including a speech to a Jr High or HS group. He really knows how to speak to the young people. He talks to the boys and to the girls and you can hear the laughter in the background. He hits the nail on the head while he speaks their language.

The good thing about waiting to date is maturity. Most kids get too emotionally attached too early and it's devastating. They then go from gal to gal or boy to boy. And I think it sets them up easier for divorce down the road.

I liken dating to duct tape. When you are emotionally attached to a person both physically and emotionally it's like taking a piece of duct tape and taping it to your arm. You are tied together. When you break it off for whatever reason, it's like ripping that tape off...separating. It hurts and hurts badly. Then when the next relationship comes along you put the tape back on. It's not quite as tight but still sticks ok. After a few more relationships come and go, the tape is loosely fit. It doesn't quite hurt as much or stick as well, depending on how many times you've been ripping it off.

With each tear, stuff gets left behind and added to the next adhesion. So I think the less dating one does before he gets married, the better it will stick and less baggage comes into the marriage. That's what I've seen not only with my boys, but just in general.
Reply #28 Top
We didn't encourage our boys to date

I've really never heard of this approach. It sounds great but I have to wonder if the down side isn't them latching on to the first girl they date "first love" and marrying them. I remember how hard the first love is to get over...and even after too many years to say I often wonder about him, but thank God everyday I never married him!haha.


We tend to downplay dating as well. We believe in "courtship" rather than dating. There are substantial differences between the two, and although at times it may seem similar, the attitude is entirely different. If you're interested in hearing more about the different philosophies, though, I'd rather discuss them privately, as many nonChristians tend to have a heyday with it because they don't understand our personal beliefs. I will only say this much: courtship is NOT "arranged" marriages, and we don't hide our daughters behind burqas.
Reply #29 Top

We tend to downplay dating as well. We believe in "courtship" rather than dating

This is probably more along the lines of what I mean when I say "date."

For example, I was pretty immature as a teen...ok I won't lie, I was the biggest immature brat you can imagine.....when I "dated" it was good for me because it let me know right away what I wanted in a future mate.

For example, I dated a guy who was a straight A student my junior year.  He was such a nice guy all the parent's wanted their daughters to date him.  He asked me out, and I figured, Sure why not?  He's a nice guy.  So we went to a festival down on the river.  We chatted and walked around.  It was fun.  But by the end of the night I KNEW he was not the kind of guy I wanted to ever be with.  He was a bit free with his hands, but I handled that well enough.  I can't really put my finger on it, but I left thinking, this guy isn't as nice one on one as he is in a group.

Second example, I dated a drop dead gorgeous "musician" my junior year.  I didn't know he was in a band until our second date when he played my favorite Scorpions song on his lead guitar for me.  He was great and we had so much fun together, fairs, movies, eating out, talking.  But after awhile I knew he wasn't the kind of guy I'd marry.  There were lots of reasons, but the main one was he was toooooo into me.  Calling a lot, sending me flowers, stuff like that.  I remember thinking, SHESH I am only 16!  I'm not your wife! hahahaha.

When I say date I mean just that.  Spending time getting to know someone with no expectations.  No goodnight kiss, no holding hands.  Just hanging out in a populated place.  And most of the time I paid my own way and made it dependent upon a yes or no to a date.  I figured why should a guy my age, who is probably working the same type job I am, pay for me?  We are spending time together, getting to know one another.  Why should he have to pay for my time?

But that was me...and when I met and started dating my husband, he had a hard time with that part.  But he got over it quick enough!

 

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The good thing about waiting to date is maturity. Most kids get too emotionally attached too early and it's devastating. They then go from gal to gal or boy to boy. And I think it sets them up easier for divorce down the road.

I think it depends on the person.  I dated a lot.  I had over a dozen boyfriends before I met my husband.  If anything, dating showed me what traits in a person I didn't want in my husband.  Our 10 year anniversary is next month, and we have had zero marital problems.  When I met my husband, I knew he was the "one" because I had already met ones that weren't.

Now, my husband had never dated anyone before me, and it showed.  It was hard for him to adjust to having to consider somebody else when making decisions, or to compromise on certain things.

 

Reply #31 Top
I was talking with a friend who said his wife slapped him the first time he stole a kiss. My response was, "you know, that should have told you quicker'n anything that she was marriage material". While guys like "easy" women when they're single, they certainly don't marry them. I think they realize that if a woman's "easy" before they have a fairly solid relationship (note: I did not say "marriage". While sex should, ideally, be reserved until after marriage, I know of many couples with very solid relationships who are not married), then she'll probably be "easy" after they get married. And most guys don't want that.
Reply #32 Top

Most kids get too emotionally attached too early and it's devastating.

I don't see this happening much KFC...except people who start dating in 10th grade and date for like 4 years then get married.  It seems like most of the teens around here don't get emotionally involved much at all....you've heard of cuddle puddles (HC articled on it) and girls giving oral sex at school?  I don't think they are getting anything emotional out of these encounters...at least nothing good.

I understand what you are saying though, and I am gonna get that book.  I do think interaction with the opposite sex is important.  I am not saying date means sex or physical touching at all.

I told my oldest when he starts dating to remember the girl he's dating most likely isn't going to be his wife.  So that means her husband is out there somewhere.  And while her husband is not there to protect her, he should always remember she belongs to someone else.  That kissing her or anything else is in essence STEALING from her future husband....And then I ask him how he'd feel if someone stole something that belonged to him.

It's still a little over his head, but a lot of kids tv shows have teens dating and kissing so I had to address it.

 

Reply #33 Top

When I met my husband, I knew he was the "one" because I had already met ones that weren't.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That sounds like me!  I used to tell my girl friends, if one guy could have the brains of so and so, the brawn of so and so, the personality of so and so, I'd marry him.

Then I met him and what an incredible 19 year ride so far.

Reply #34 Top

I don't see this happening much KFC...except people who start dating in 10th grade and date for like 4 years then get married.

You got to meet my sister!  NOt the Trudy one, but the one a year younger.

hey!  I got sisters for every situation!

Reply #35 Top

I got sisters for every situation!

Most Catholics do!

Buwhahahahahhahahaha..

Reply #36 Top

I was talking with a friend who said his wife slapped him the first time he stole a kiss.

Buwhahaha.  And he asked her for a second date?  WOW.

 

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Most Catholics do!
Buwhahahahahhahahaha..

Not my aunts.  They have 1 girl between them, and 7 boys!

Reply #38 Top

Not my aunts. They have 1 girl between them, and 7 boys

Not like that silly!  Besides having big families..which I really wasn't referring too...I mean don't Catholics call their nuns "sister?"

So there is an abundance of sisters in Catholic families...get it?

Reply #39 Top

Not like that silly! Besides having big families..which I really wasn't referring too...I mean don't Catholics call their nuns "sister?"

DOH!  Sorry, slow today.

My Great aunt was actually a nun (My Mother's father's sister).  So that makes one more for me!

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So that makes one more for me!

~does the cabbage patch~

"WE ARE FAMILY!  I GOT ALL MY SISTERS AND ME..."

 

Reply #41 Top
We believe in "courtship" rather than dating. There are substantial differences between the two, and although at times it may seem similar, the attitude is entirely different.


I agree and that's what the book "I kissed Dating Goodbye" is all about. Courtship rather than what we call dating today. I was Shocked T to find out that the kids in sixth grade are having sex today. As a coach in the local HS...believe me I see alot. Dating today is not the dating you and I grew up with. The kids are much bolder and having sex right on the school property now. I find used condems all over the place. My son David has gone running and twice came upon two couples going at it.

My boys had much interaction with girls. They did group things like youth group and get togethers. On my youngest's birthday once, I invited his three best girlfriends from church. They had a great time. He never dated any of the three tho.

Tova another idea with your son is to take him on a date once in a while. When he gets a bit older you and he can have a date night. You can teach him how to act properly during this time. So when the time is right, he'll behave like the perfect gentleman.....or you hope......lol.

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Reply #42 Top

Shocked T to find out that the kids in sixth grade are having sex today

YIKES....that seems so young!

I figure we have a few good years before hes wanting to spent time with girls.  I will have to do some reading between now and then.

It's weird.  Last night I was folding laundry and my husband came in to chat.  I asked him if he ever heard of teens not dating....(he was very popular and dated a lot in hs, actually I think he probably dated almost all the girls in his senior class at some time or another)...he shrugged and said it sounded like a good idea to him.  He believes dating (even the dating we did in the 80's) puts too much pressure on kids.

I will check out the link.  Thanks.

Reply #43 Top
YIKES....that seems so young!


ya I found this out at a teacher conference. I was sitting there with a couple of teachers and they all shook their heads saying, yes it's true after the first teacher told me this. I almost fell off my chair. I felt like I was very sheltered at that moment.

This was at my youngest's conference and he's 20 now.

He and his girlfriend now are wearing purity rings. They are committed to NOT having sex until they get married. David is no wallflower either. He's so good looking, he could be a model. Girls are constantly coming up and asking him out. I'm very proud of him and his gal. My eldest and his girlfriend have made the same pledge although they don't wear the rings.

Hey Tova.....we're told to be a peculiar people right? It doesn't get more peculiar than this in today's sex-crazed world.
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Hey Tova.....we're told to be a peculiar people right? It doesn't get more peculiar than this in today's sex-crazed world.

True.  I read an article not too long ago about a resort that has been providing honeymooners respite and holiday for a couple decades.

The owner was lamenting about the days when couples came, stayed in their rooms for 4-5 days and ordered room service.  Now couples come and want to be entertained so the resort has had to expand and have things for couples to do.

The owner attributes this to pre-marital sex.  He believes the honeymoon is no big deal, been there done that is kinda the attitude, now people need something other than each other on their honeymoon to keep them occupied.

I'm all for my kids waiting, and I hope they make that choice.  OF course my gentle prodding won't hurt! heheheh

Reply #45 Top
The owner attributes this to pre-marital sex. He believes the honeymoon is no big deal, been there done that is kinda the attitude, now people need something other than each other on their honeymoon to keep them occupied.


EXACTLY. How sad too. I've been able to counsel or have discussions with young girls about this. I told them that if they engage in pre-marital sex, what do they have to look forward to on their Wedding Night? Is it going to be....big whoop!! Been there done that type of thing?

I actually had a now married woman tell me she so regreted her pre-marital sex days and just before her husband and she married they decided not to have sex the month before the wedding so it would seem fresh. She said...it didn't help. It was still....big whoop in the whole scope of things considering what it could have been.

I also mentioned to these girls as well as my boys when the pressure from the other kids come into play to say this: "I can be you whenever I want to.....but you can never be me." Once you cross the line, you can't go back.

I'm all for my kids waiting, and I hope they make that choice. OF course my gentle prodding won't hurt! heheheh


Hmmmm I was like out there with this subject. My kids knew exactly what I wished for them in this area. I did all I could to make this hope become a reality while I could. But of course once they hit 18.....not much more can be said. But evidently it paid off. It was helpful that we had friends with kids the same age that were teaching their kids the same stuff. And the youth group leaders were very strong in their teaching in this area as well.

I've got tons of resources if you'd like but you can start with the books I mentioned already. There's also another called...."Sex, It's Worth Waiting For" by Greg Speck. He's hilarious. If you can get him on tape you'll love it. He's like a Christian Robin Williams....Good Luck!!!
Reply #46 Top
The owner attributes this to pre-marital sex. He believes the honeymoon is no big deal, been there done that is kinda the attitude, now people need something other than each other on their honeymoon to keep them occupied.


EXACTLY. How sad too. I've been able to counsel or have discussions with young girls about this. I told them that if they engage in pre-marital sex, what do they have to look forward to on their Wedding Night? Is it going to be....big whoop!! Been there done that type of thing?

I actually had a now married woman tell me she so regreted her pre-marital sex days and just before her husband and she married they decided not to have sex the month before the wedding so it would seem fresh. She said...it didn't help. It was still....big whoop in the whole scope of things considering what it could have been.

I also mentioned to these girls as well as my boys when the pressure from the other kids come into play to say this: "I can be you whenever I want to.....but you can never be me." Once you cross the line, you can't go back.

I'm all for my kids waiting, and I hope they make that choice. OF course my gentle prodding won't hurt! heheheh


Hmmmm I was like out there with this subject. My kids knew exactly what I wished for them in this area. I did all I could to make this hope become a reality while I could. But of course once they hit 18.....not much more can be said. But evidently it paid off. It was helpful that we had friends with kids the same age that were teaching their kids the same stuff. And the youth group leaders were very strong in their teaching in this area as well.

I've got tons of resources if you'd like but you can start with the books I mentioned already. There's also another called...."Sex, It's Worth Waiting For" by Greg Speck. He's hilarious. If you can get him on tape you'll love it. He's like a Christian Robin Williams....Good Luck!!!
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double post.....sorry!!
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Hmmmm I was like out there with this subject. My kids knew exactly what I wished for them in this area.


My kids know where I stand.

I approach the sex issue directly and by dealing with the personal responsibility issue daily now. I think if my sons can get that down, then it carries over into every aspect of their lives.

I don't want my son to come to me for condoms. I know that is UnPC, but I believe sex is an adult activity and if he is adult enough to be having it, why does mommy need to be part of the process? Furthermore, if he's adult enough to be having sex then he needs to be living and supporting himself.

When I went to live with my aunt she told me flat out, sex is for adults. If you start having sex, I will kick you out. If your adult enough to have sex, your adult enough to have a job. And I did have one, a couple actually, but not enough to live on certainly.

While this wasn't the only reason I chose not to do it....it was there in my mind.

I think the decision to have sex as a teen is made long before the teen years in how kids learn to handle personal responsibility. By the teen years, most kids think they have the world down pat and don't really listen to anything contrary to what their wisdom says. At least I didn't.

I can control the locks on the door when my kids are teens, but I can't control their thoughts or actions (when not present). The real work happens before the hormones start flying imo.
Reply #49 Top
KFC

Having said all that I am certainly willing to listen to the advice of someone whose been there done that and got the t-shirt!

I am sure I will have lots of questions and concerns in the not too distant future.
Reply #50 Top
Like I said before.....I really like your Aunt ....she's got spunk!! How is she doing BTW?

Pretty much I agree with all you said. I just heard about a childhood friend of my boys. We kind of lost contact since we moved here 8 years ago. But I used to babysit for Reuben. Well anyway...he dropped out of school February of his senior year.....because he turned 18. He now works at a local diner as a cook.

I asked why his mother let him quit and I was told....he's 18 what was she to do? KICK HIM OUT OF THE HOUSE was my reply. That's what I'd do. If he thought he was grown up to quit school....then I'd say...see ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Come and visit once in a while. Have a nice life. GOODBYE!!

I remember when this boy was little. His mother did everything for him and I mean everything. I've got a picture of my 3 year old helping this boy (a full year older) pull up and button his pants after he came out of the bathroom with his pants around his ankles.

I always felt my job was to help the boys be fully functional adults by the time they turned 18 and of course get there all in one piece. I threatened more than once to get between them and anything that would get in the way of that process.

I AM SO GLAD THAT'S OVER. It was enjoyable but hard at times and I'm very proud of the young men they have become. God is good; couldn't have done it without HIM.