[quote who="Leauki" reply="7" id="2166936"]Does anybody really believe that a treaty that allows India and China to pollute as much as they want will do much to protect the environment and that opposition against such a treaty is proof of ignorance? [/quote] Whether or not a treaty lets developing countries pollute has NOTHING to do with whether or not global warming is real. Skeptics need to be able to separate the two. "It's not fair that India's carbon
[quote who="the_Peoples_Party" reply="2" id="2166486"] First, why don’t you go here, http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php , and you’ll see that not every scientist believes this is man-made, BUT you’ll just use the illogical response that this is just some right-wing think tank political agenda. [/quote] Why is it "illogical" to point out that they are right-wing think tanks with political agendas? It's not illogical. You honestly don't see
[quote who="psychoak" reply="19" id="2166209"] Stop asking stupid questions and attempt to demonstrate at least a high school reading level before nitpicking my post. This idiotic attempt to disqualify my points by labeling me a pirate is getting old, I don't give a fuck about your ego. [/quote] Wow, did I strike a nerve? I was just asking you a question because I'm interested in hearing your answer. But instead of answering it, you're throwing
[quote who="Thoumsin" reply="16" id="2165976"] Quoting makeshiftwings, reply 14Sins didn't make money because of piracy; they made money because some people still feel that piracy is wrong and were willing to pay for the game. In my own case, Sins have make money because of piracy... i have first pirate sins... not because i like pirated software or because i have no money, or because i don't wish to pay... simply because the game have go out there in Europa severa
[quote who="Spartan" reply="15" id="2165859"] Quoting makeshiftwings, reply 14 If not, what do you think companies should do about it? Exactly what SD, GPG & IG are doing. In short, showing love to their patrons. [/quote] Their patrons responded to this love by pirating 10 copies of Demigod for every 1 that was purchased. Then they overloaded their servers because Stardock had massively understimated how many pirates there wer
[quote who="Thoumsin" reply="11" id="2164364"] Piracy are like the hookers... they have always exist and will always exist... use them for your benefice if you can, fight them is a loose of money that your honest customer need to finance... else ignore them... use the energy and money for make better product in place of fight in a war that you cannot win in the long term...[/quote] The problem is that the long term trend, if it continues, ends with everyone pirating everyt
[quote who="psychoak" reply="9" id="2164152"]I think companies should stop fucking me in the ass because some Romanian making $8k a year is stealing Windows. It doesn't do them any good, it doesn't do the Romanians any good, and it doesn't do me any good. Legality is irrelevant.[/quote] You really like that word "irrelevant". I don't think that word means what you think it means. It sounds like you don't want to answer my question because you f
[quote who="psychoak" reply="7" id="2163364"]I am assuming nothing. Romania has a blossoming tech sector, Romania has a 70% piracy rate. 100% of zero is zero. No piracy, no tech sector in Romania, no tech sector in Romania, no tech software in Romania. To complain about piracy in Romania is to complain about having 30% of something. When and how many of them become honest customers does not change the fact that piracy
[quote who="psychoak" reply="4" id="2161675"]When arguing with someone, you have to actually argue something, not just make shit up to disagree with and pretend to refute their point.[/quote] Yeah that's true; I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about at this point. Let me try to be a little more clear. I'm not really arguing about whether or not the current legal loopholes in Swedish law might make the Pirate Bay technically innocent. Whether it's currently l
[quote who="XSive_Death" reply="5" id="2161883"] Quoting makeshiftwings, reply 3 If piracy were legal or widely approved of, then everyone would steal THEIR software as well. Everyone would steal all software all the time, so all software businesses suffer. Thats not entirely Accurate. Though its very rare we have examples of releases which follow a "pay what you want" approach. Radioheads "in Rainbow" album for example. While the -Majority- of people pai
[quote who="psychoak" reply="1" id="2160859"]Why is irrelevant. Demands made by the pirate party are irrelevant. Legality is irrelevant. When something is unavoidable and necessary to accomplish a goal, providing excuses to avoid it will not accomplish the goal. Emerging tech markets are built, at little to no cost to the providers, by piracy. The goal of a business in that sector isn't to prevent piracy, it's to expand their market. Self delusion dosn't ch
[quote who="psychoak" reply="22" id="2160788"] The morality of it is irrelevant, it's good for business.[/quote] But not really... from what you're saying, the pirates started actually paying for the business software they pirated once they wanted to create copyrighted software themselves. Piracy helped open the door, yes, but the actual business only got better because they decided to STOP pirating. In other words, it was actually copyright, and the chance a
[quote who="nosferat1" reply="17" id="2160220"] Well i do not know where you live,but in some countries,the best pay/month on a full time job is 700 dollars. [/quote] I was going to say more or less the same thing as WIlly above. I'm sorry you live in such a harsh place. But video games and mp3's are luxuries, not necessities of life; I don't think you're justified in demanding you get them for free. Textbooks are more understandable, but that's not really wh
[quote who="pedal2000" reply="18" id="2160325"] Well, obviously each suggestion is only as good as much as you're willing to accept that piracy will always exist. Rather than an elimination of it, you need to focus on reducing it. [/quote] DRM does reduce it. That's why they have DRM. Game companies aren't deluding themselves into thinking they will eliminate piracy. Like I said earlier, most game companies actually consider their DRM a "success
[quote who="nosferat1" reply="14" id="2160129"]Maybe when nothing will be for free.All your software+games would cost more then 5K euros...maybe then you will understand what deep implications this trial has.[/quote] Except then no one would be able to afford games, so the publishers aren't going to do that. [quote]But downloading a book that can not be found in your country and would cost more then 300 dollars to order,now that you can call anything but not piracy.[/quote]</p
[quote who="psychoak" reply="10" id="2159250"]The numbers you'll really want to know are how many of them are still playing it a couple weeks from now. Those are the assholes that should have been customers and just don't have any scruples. Anyone that drops a game after just a few days is either really loaded and has no incentive to pirate it to begin with, or never would have bought it outside of a whim. It's still not even remotely close to an indication of lost sales tho
[quote who="pedal2000" reply="24" id="2158124"] To put it fondly, "They're doing it wrong". [/quote] Ok. Then how SHOULD they do it? That's really the answer I've been looking for this whole thread, and I haven't actually seen any good suggestions. [quote] Seriously, DRM has driven me off certain products. If I buy I a game, I want to run it 10 years from now, I want to install it as many times as I need too and I want to be able to play it
[quote] [quote]What logical rules? A game is not a house because you don't get to keep the house for free if you say you don't want to pay for it. With the game, if you decide not to pay for it, you still have it. There's no incentive to pay for it. The "logical" rules you're talking about don't work when it comes to digital products. [/quote] Think outside the box... for example, let's take sins... put sins on a torrent site, so distributor will n
[quote who="psychoak" reply="18" id="2155676"] This dick you blindly choose as a point of reference is a prime example of why so many people appear to be without a conscience. He's a lying sack of shit covering his own fuckups by blaming everything on piracy when there are clearly other causes. If he were a developer instead of in marketing, I'd want to go pirate his shit just for that article. [/quote] I actually just realized I linked the wron
[quote who="Thoumsin" reply="7" id="2153910"] YES ... they already make it here... for the TV cable connection, around 50% of the price is for the connection itself and the other 50% is for the author right... If you use a antena, you only pay these 50% author right... So, yes, people are charge for watching show AND publicity...[/quote] I live in the U.S., and standard network TV is free; are you in the UK? It sounds from the other post like they tax TV there. I don'
[quote who="psychoak" reply="3" id="2153580"]Third, if you actually are doing harm to the providers, there's this funky thing that everyone who shouldn't be retroactively aborted on sight has. It's called a conscience, you've heard of it yes? [/quote] I guess most of the people in America don't have a conscience then (which actually isn't that surprising.) You can see from the vast majority of posters in the thread, and somewhat from you yourself, that almost all pira
[quote who="Malanthor" reply="22" id="2153206"] If the piratebay is going down for "helping to distribute copyrighted material" then google, msn and hundreds of other serviced also need to go down. First and foremost law need to be consequent, you cant just pick and choose what to pick on. If something is illegal then it is illegal, it has to be illegal all the way. [/quote] Actually, no, that's not how law works. That's why we have a gigantic legal system, wi
[quote who="PossiblyImpossible" reply="18" id="2152928"]The legitimate industries need to adapt to their "illegal" competition - it's basic capitalism. Until they can provide a comparable legal alternative, file sharing will continue to thrive, and rightly so.[/quote] So what is the "basic capitalism" method to compete with people who give away all the products of your labor for free? What's the comparable legal alternative?
[quote who="Bahu Virupaksha" reply="16" id="2152126"]I think the Swedes have got it all wrong. If their logic has any sense anyone who sends a textor vedio as attachment to anyone else is also guilty. The whole of the Internet is a free file sharing site.[/quote] These are all "slippery slope" arguments, and seem like an attempt to spread hysteria to justify your own pirating. Laws are not giant killer robots that obey their commands exactly as written. Laws
[quote who="the_Peoples_Party" reply="14" id="2152654"]In the 70s and 80s people were saying that we would be going through another ice age because the temperatures were dropping.[/quote] Yeah, a few random groups of people. There's a difference between "some people" and "every accredited scientific community in the entire world".
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