“Monster” - defined in retrospect

Do your “tastes” make you one?


Have you ever read Emperoroficecream's blog? He’s Little Whip’s hubby, Simon.

I didn’t always respond to his blogs because for one thing sometimes I don’t know what to say and I feel that I might come off sounding stupid, especially if I’m in a rush and I don’t have time to really think as I write and end up saying the wrong thing.

Lately I’ve been taking the time to read and respond to his blogs. He’s a good writer who always has a lot to say. Granted the subjects he writes about might seem too intense and way over the head if you want a quick read, but he, like his wife, writes well.

In one of his blogs he wrote that he’s not “normal” and might have a “monstrous nature”, because of the way he thinks or feels about things which is not the norm;



His words:
"...with my own perverse nature. I know myself to be a monster, and the ease with which I pass for a 'normal' man among my neighbours and co-workers affords me endless amusement. Do I suffer guilt because of my monstrous nature? No. The judgments I pass upon myself are aesthetic in nature (so it is as true of me as of any other man - that I have created my god, for whom I hunger in many ways, in my own image)."

My response:
"Why do you consider yourself as a "monster" because you think and feel this way? I know you mentioned because it is not "normal', but who is to say what is normal? Many people experience different things that gives them pleasure, whether it is of the flesh or "aesthetic in nature" as you put it. Is that not normal? Is that not being human? Is that not God's way? You might not want me to ask if it is not God's way but whose way would it be? How else do we know?



It is not that you're a monster, but rather it is your way of being, that which makes you, you and who you are, different and perhaps not so different from others. Of course your intellect and your open-mindnedness and your obviously...I'm trying to find the right word here......."superior", may not be the right word, but if you get what I'm trying to say.....way of thinking sets you apart from the norm. A lot of people see themselves in that way. What's to say that I don't have some perverse form of pleasure that only I know about, would that make me a monster? What I'm trying to get at is that your ways might just be normal, just like everyone else who enjoys something different.
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[if you would like to read the blog and responses in it’s entirety: Link



As you read, I responded that I wouldn’t call him a monster just because his thoughts or what he liked was different and might not seem normal to me or others. After all, I might like something too that others may perceive as perverse. Who knows?

That got me thinking that there are some things that I like that might seem weird to others, whether its things of the flesh that gives me pleasure or something aesthetic (like he said in his response).

I like receiving and giving pleasure. What I do and how I do it is for me to know and for you to never know. Heehee

I do love having my feet massaged. There’s a difference in getting a foot rub from my kids who sometimes volunteer when they want to bribe me…hehee, kids! And there’s a major difference in having my feet massaged (notice, foot rub vs. massage!) by my hubby!

So getting my foot massaged doesn’t sound too weird, well, there are specifics to it that I won’t get into but let me just say I’m transported to another place afterwards! Is it a foot fetish….hmmm, perhaps?

I enjoy reading magazines. The weird thing about that though is that it has to be in mint condition, no dog ears, i.e., none of the pages twisted or watermarked no torn pages, no marks. It has to be crisp for me to read it. Now that’s weird isn’t it? Believe me, when you have two other females around you that like to look at magazines, you would want it that way too!

I won’t go into the other things I enjoy that might seem weird and make me different from you. However, my point is, just because we don’t like the same things and you might think differently about something than I do, doesn’t make you a monster.

You might be a bit of a pervert, but you’re definitely not a monster! LOL!…and don’t talk to me about perverts; there are perverts and there are perverts, if you know what I mean!


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I don't know forever.

He seems to know himself pretty well and I think if he classifies his actions or self as monstrous, then we can believe it.

I read your blog forever, and even some of your poetry, which says something because I hate poetry....but I think you are looking for the silver lining here.

In the blog about Sadism he wrote...and I'd quote but for some reason I am having issues with JU right now being really slow....but he talked about beating LW, cutting her with a razor and then beating the cut so that blood spattered on the walls, and that he raped her.....if monstrous doesn't fit that, what does it fit?

I think he knows himself very well and has described himself aptly.

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In the blog about Sadism he wrote...and I'd quote but for some reason I am having issues with JU right now being really slow....but he talked about beating LW, cutting her with a razor and then beating the cut so that blood spattered on the walls, and that he raped her.....if monstrous doesn't fit that, what does it fit?

Damn!

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I finally got JU working again....here is the quote
"And let no one think that she 'enjoyed' these encounters. In the moments in which they took place she hated me and fought with all her strength. But she would have hated me far more fiercely if I had not, each time, succeeded in overcoming her and forcing sex on her."
"My wife hates me when I beat her, when I cut designs in her flesh with a razor-blade, when I beat the wounds after with the riding crop so that her blood spatters the wall. But she would both hate and despise me if I could not by force of will make her be still and endure these things."


Here is the link...but I wouldn't read it unless you really think you need too. http://emperoroficecream.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=35674
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I think we all have parts of us that compel us to benefit at the expense of others, to varying degrees.

What is monstrous to one of us may be appealing or even yawn-worthy to others. What may seem like the most horrible thing that can be inflicted on someone to me may seem like something to shrug off to someone else.

Sabrina and Simon's relationship is truly too complex for me to wrap my meager brain around. Their lifestyle, by its very nature, cannot be consensual. And yet, they both willingly entered into it.

Sabrina has been in an abusive relationship before, and she can make the distinction between that and what she and Simon share, and I think that that's all that matters. My thoughts or anyone else's thoughts on it are irrelevant.

I do know this, though. Simon loves Sabrina deeply, and I've seen him defend her ferociously. Sabrina loves Simon deeply, and I've seen her do the same. Just because I don't understand the appeal of their relationship does not make it not valid.

I would never undertake a relationship of that nature. It would be monstrous to ME. I cry unrelentingly when Adrian simply yells at me. But perhaps some aspects of the way Adrian and I relate to each other or the hurts that we've inflicted on each other would seem monstrous to someone else.

Different strokes for different folks, eh?

BTW, FS. I did get your email. Many apologies for taking so long getting back to you. Your daughter is absolutely lovely. Truly. I wasn't clear on what you needed me to do...do you need me to upload it to my photo hosting site and email you the address so you can post it? Just let me know, and I'll be glad to help you.

PS - I had a wonderful phone conversation with Sabrina last week, and I had the opportunity to briefly speak to Simon as well. He has the most delightful British accent you can imagine. Lucky Sabrina hearing that all day!
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My thoughts or anyone else's thoughts on it are irrelevant.


I would agree with just about everything else you have to say but this.

Once the door to the bedroom is opened and the public invited in, well there will be "thoughts and opinions." I don't think anyone is gonna go in, see what there is to see and walk away like it never happened. No matter how consentual it is people are gonna have thoughts and opinions.

Different strokes? I don't think so Tex. In some states like Ohio LW's husband could be CRIMINALLY prosecuted for doing those things to her without her ever bringing charges against him....like if he cuts her deep one day and she ends up in the ER and the police are brought in.....not the same as being yelled at by your husband, not even close.

Would the charges stick? Probably not with LW right there to tell them all to go to hell. But there is a saying in law enforcement. "You can beat the wrap, but you can't beat the ride." Meaning the DA may not prosecute you, but you are sure nuff going to be arrested and taken off to the pokey for a bit.

All that aside. Yes, I know LW has this desire and I am not going to meddle in that....but when its posted for all the world to see, I will have an opinion. And I won't ever blow it off as something minor or normal. LW herself has described it as "sexually deviant," so on some level she knows others will view it that way as well.

I am not judging her. I like her a lot. Not too wild about HIM though, but that is just my nature. I tend not to like men who beat up on women, even when the woman begs for it. But hey, that's just me. I don't expect everyone to agree with that.
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Once the door to the bedroom is opened and the public invited in, well there will be "thoughts and opinions." I don't think anyone is gonna go in, see what there is to see and walk away like it never happened. No matter how consentual it is people are gonna have thoughts and opinions.

I have to agree with that.

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Gosh, JU just closed down on me when I was trying to wrap up my discussion on LW's blog! I'm not going to individually answer each of you until the morrow. Thanks for the thoughts.

And Tex....yes, please do if you can upload it for me. I'm so clueless when I'm in a rush cause I do this from work and don't have the time for details sometimes and I do have to get back to what they're payign me for,! Thanks loads!
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In some states like Ohio LW's husband could be CRIMINALLY prosecuted for doing those things to her without her ever bringing charges against him....

IN Virginia it is also against the law, but they long ago quit trying to enforce bedroom morality, and I dont think it would be even thought about unless one party pressed charges.

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Once the door to the bedroom is opened and the public invited in, well there will be "thoughts and opinions." I don't think anyone is gonna go in, see what there is to see and walk away like it never happened. No matter how consentual it is people are gonna have thoughts and opinions.


I'm not saying you don't have the RIGHT to an opinion or to express that opinion, just that your (or mine, or anyone else's) opinion has no bearing on how they (Sabrina and Simon, heh, or anyone else) choose to live their lives. Just because we don't like or agree with something doesn't mean others can't choose to do it.

Different strokes? I don't think so Tex. In some states like Ohio LW's husband could be CRIMINALLY prosecuted for doing those things to her without her ever bringing charges against him....like if he cuts her deep one day and she ends up in the ER and the police are brought in.....not the same as being yelled at by your husband, not even close.


The law is a different matter.

Yes, I know LW has this desire and I am not going to meddle in that....but when its posted for all the world to see, I will have an opinion. And I won't ever blow it off as something minor or normal. LW herself has described it as "sexually deviant," so on some level she knows others will view it that way as well.


I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion. It's natural to make judgment decisions about the priorities and behaviors of others.

By irrelevant I mean that our opinions on the matter carry little or no weight because the decisions are not ours to make.

I don't like ground beef. I've even written an article about it. I think it's nasty. I can't understand how other people eat it. I'm welcome to my opinion, but stating that opinion is about as far as it goes. I have no right to demand that other people stop eating ground beef (and I'm not saying that you've made demands of Simon or Sabrina, I'm speaking generally here).

And Tex....yes, please do if you can upload it for me.


Will do.
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I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion. It's natural to make judgment decisions about the priorities and behaviors of others. By irrelevant I mean that our opinions on the matter carry little or no weight because the decisions are not ours to make. I don't like ground beef. I've even written an article about it. I think it's nasty. I can't understand how other people eat it. I'm welcome to my opinion, but stating that opinion is about as far as it goes. I have no right to demand that other people stop eating ground beef (and I'm not saying that you've made demands of Simon or Sabrina, I'm speaking generally here).


Gotcha. Sorry if I misread. You obviously have an actual relationship with them and know them a lot better than I do.

I am really making an effort to be clear that I am not coming from some moral high ground. I'm not. Or that I'm better. I'm not. I just don't understand.

I don't know how to say it, but when I read that blog, I cried like a big fat baby. It made me so sad for LW (which I know she doesn't want and will no doubt despise) .....to me it seems so self-destructive....and she is so talented and articulate, and well seems to have a lot to offer. I hate to think of her groveling at anyone's feet. And more I hate to think of someone who LOVES her as he says time and again, being the very instrument of that self destruction.

Am I saying any of this trying to get them to change? Nope. I am not so naive as to think anything I say can touch something this ingrained and to my mind, this dark.

But I do think The EOI (Emperoroficecream) knows himself well and when he says he is monstrous, I believe him. And when he says he loves LW I believe that too. I just don't agree with his method.
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I finally got JU working again....here is the quote
"And let no one think that she 'enjoyed' these encounters. In the moments in which they took place she hated me and fought with all her strength. But she would have hated me far more fiercely if I had not, each time, succeeded in overcoming her and forcing sex on her."
"My wife hates me when I beat her, when I cut designs in her flesh with a razor-blade, when I beat the wounds after with the riding crop so that her blood spatters the wall. But she would both hate and despise me if I could not by force of will make her be still and endure these things."


Here is the link...but I wouldn't read it unless you really think you need too. Link


I've known the both of them for more than a year, and I too know that they love each other deeply. They have a kind of relationship that is hard to get your head around and that most people consider abusive....until you begin to understand the dynamics of it. I used to think that if someone I loved treated me like that I'd kick them in the nuts....but now that I'm beginning to understand the way their relationship works I'm seeing things in a slightly different light. I won't be so presumptuous as to say that I know what their relationship is like, that I 'get it'...but I see little bits here and there that are starting to make sense. To be honest, they have a more functional, 'normal' relationship than some of the people who live on my street do.

The thing that I think you're forgetting is that it's a consensual relationship. If she wants to leave, she will. Do you honestly think, knowing what you know about LW from her writing here, think that she would stay if she wasn't happy?

Simon's accent is from Bradford, I think. It's northern.....and it's very nice!
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The thing that I think you're forgetting is that it's a consensual relationship. If she wants to leave, she will. Do you honestly think, knowing what you know about LW from her writing here, think that she would stay if she wasn't happy?


Well actually she has written much about staying with men who treated her like crap. But I am not saying her husband now falls into the category.

The thing that I think you're forgetting is that it's a consensual relationship.


Nope. Haven't forgotten that for one minute.

Young girls who cut themselves do it voluntarily. Let me check, does it make it any less abhorrent to me? Nope.

I think its a testament to your friendship with LW that you are quick to defend their relationship. But I am not attacking it.

I am saying when someone tells you they are a monster, then gives you facts to back it up. Well, I think its a safe bet to take them on their word. I didn't call him that, he calls HIMSELF that.

I am not judging their relationship as a whole l because I don't know anything about it. What I am judging if you will, is what he chooses to share with us. I am not privy to any other part of his dynamic as you and Tex are.....so I can only write to what he reveals in his blog. And in his blog he says he takes great pleasure in cutting, beating, and raping his wife, who also finds pleasure in it. (Don't want you to think I forgot that part.)

This blog is about him classifying himself as a monster. I don't understand why people are trying to talk me out of it, when I am not the one who made that original claim. He did. I am just agreeing.
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This blog is about him classifying himself as a monster. I don't understand why people are trying to talk me out of it, when I am not the one who made that original claim. He did. I am just agreeing.

I am not.  I have no point of bearing to relate to it.  I am not condemning, but like you, let each call their own titles.

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But I am not attacking it

I know, and if I came across as if I were attacking you for attacking her/him, then I'm sorry - that was never my motive.

They have a different relationship, that's for sure.  Is he a monster?  I don't think so.  He's got himself figured out, see.  He knows what he likes, HOW he is.....he's in control of himself and his desires.  I'm more afraid of the stranger living in small town USA who likes the same thing EoIC but who has no clue as to why he's that way - and, more importantly, has no outlet for his desires.  Fear of oneself and ones desires, confusion about said desires and sexual frustration because one doesn't have an outlet for those desires.....THOSE are the things that make a person monstrous.

I am literally in awe of Simon sometimes.  He's incredibly intelligent and is really very charismatic.  He and LW....well, it must really be quite something to be a part of their household some days.  Oh what I'd give to be a fly on their wall......

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I know, and if I came across as if I were attacking you for attacking her/him, then I'm sorry - that was never my motive


You didn't d...you were eloquent as always.

Oh what I'd give to be a fly on their wall......


But not a fly on the wall of the bathroom in WAFFLE HOUSE!!LOL

Know this...He IS a monster.

Know this too, I've never been treated better in my life. I've never been happier in my life. Because I'm monstrous too, just at a different level.



Then there really is nothing left to say........


well.......maybe!
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Well. I'm really rather flattered.

Dear FS: since you're sincere in what you say, don't attempt to be anything other than honest in response, and are honestly curious, you should never fear to make a comment when you feel inspired to.

To Tova7: you're perfectly right.

I was going to conclude with a small anecdote, till I realised that this article has no 'adult material' warning. Another time perhaps.

It took me more than thirty years to face my own nature and come to grips with it. I have, in one way or another, spent the last eight or so years exploring the possibility of some inherent limitation to the cruelty of my desires. I eventually came to the conclusion that, inherently, I have none. Which is not to say that I don't practice a calculus of risk and satisfaction, that I don't impose limits on myself so that I can continue to enjoy many lesser pleasures while sacrificing a few that are more extreme. I practice such a calculus, I make the sacrifices.

Nor does it mean that no act disgusts me. Coprophilia is an example of such an act. But there is no possible intersection of sex, blood and pain which does not arouse me, and a woman is never more beautiful than when wearing the marks I have made in her flesh.

However, I could tell you all night long that I am a monster, and none of you would believe me (except Tove). Sadism is not about words and I've no wish to boast.

You'd have to get to know me in the flesh}:->
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Ah, forget it. Somethings are better left unknown.
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To foreverserenity:

as a response to what's been written here I wrote this (Link). Feel free to visit, and comment if you wish. And thank you. No one's ever written a blog about me before:)
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read your blog forever, and even some of your poetry, which says something because I hate poetry....but I think you are looking for the silver lining here.


Thanks Tonya! Just getting that out of the way first. I'm glad you like my poetry.


As for the silver lining....

He seems to know himself pretty well and I think if he classifies his actions or self as monstrous, then we can believe it.


Yes, I agree with you he does. Oh I do take his word for it. But when I wrote this piece I was reflecting on that particular blog in itself, not what he wrote previously as I have not read all that he has written. Like I said, I used to not read his blog because they seem too deep and complicated but upon a second look, he does have an iteresting mind I think and reading what he has to say is somewhat fascinating. (goodness that almost sounds too syrupy!)

In the blog about Sadism he wrote...and I'd quote but for some reason I am having issues with JU right now being really slow....but he talked about beating LW, cutting her with a razor and then beating the cut so that blood spattered on the walls, and that he raped her.....if monstrous doesn't fit that, what does it fit?


No doubt this is what it is...Sadism. Some people are into that type of thing. I don't judge, this is not for me, not the cutting part anyway, but whatever gets their grove on!

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In the blog about Sadism he wrote...and I'd quote but for some reason I am having issues with JU right now being really slow....but he talked about beating LW, cutting her with a razor and then beating the cut so that blood spattered on the walls, and that he raped her.....if monstrous doesn't fit that, what does it fit?Damn!


Doc....your one word says a lot...utter amazement I would say,! Seems I've opened pandora's box eh!



finally got JU working again....here is the quote"And let no one think that she 'enjoyed' these encounters. In the moments in which they took place she hated me and fought with all her strength. But she would have hated me far more fiercely if I had not, each time, succeeded in overcoming her and forcing sex on her." "My wife hates me when I beat her, when I cut designs in her flesh with a razor-blade, when I beat the wounds after with the riding crop so that her blood spatters the wall. But she would both hate and despise me if I could not by force of will make her be still and endure these things."Here is the link...but I wouldn't read it unless you really think you need too.


No, I don't need to read it. The visual is quite clear! As I said before, it's what they like to do. It's between two adults who enjoy this sort of actity.

Upon reflection perhaps I should have put that "adult content" on this blog - big whoops! [I have to keep submitting as I write because my computer is acting up again].
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Reply By: Texas WahinePosted: Tuesday, November 01, 2005I think we all have parts of us that compel us to benefit at the expense of others, to varying degrees.What is monstrous to one of us may be appealing or even yawn-worthy to others. What may seem like the most horrible thing that can be inflicted on someone to me may seem like something to shrug off to someone else.


This is true Tex, very true!


Sabrina and Simon's relationship is truly too complex for me to wrap my meager brain around. Their lifestyle, by its very nature, cannot be consensual. And yet, they both willingly entered into it.


Too complex for me to even begin to try too...forbid the thought! I wouldn't even go there where their sexual tastes are concerned. I just know from what I've read from Whip and Simon, his fierce defence of her when it's necessary, the love there is very, very, deep. That's not questionable at all, nor is what they do to each other.


Sabrina has been in an abusive relationship before, and she can make the distinction between that and what she and Simon share, and I think that that's all that matters. My thoughts or anyone else's thoughts on it are irrelevant.I do know this, though. Simon loves Sabrina deeply, and I've seen him defend her ferociously. Sabrina loves Simon deeply, and I've seen her do the same. Just because I don't understand the appeal of their relationship does not make it not valid.


True, and I just said the same thing! Wow, we do think alike don't we.



would never undertake a relationship of that nature. It would be monstrous to ME. I cry unrelentingly when Adrian simply yells at me. But perhaps some aspects of the way Adrian and I relate to each other or the hurts that we've inflicted on each other would seem monstrous to someone else.Different strokes for different folks, eh?


Totally agree with you on this too. My relationship with my hubby might be too complex for some people. He's pretty sexual by nature, he talks dirty to me, and if I didn't pull the reign on him, he would be a lot more. But we dont' hide what we are from each other. What we do in the bedroom is for us and if we wanted to let someone in we would. But we dont' swing that way and we're both too possessive of each other to do that. So to each is own. If he yells at me I get upset too, I yell back and then I start crying because I get angry, that's me. I don't back down from him and that's our relationship. Does it mean he's abusive, no, not in my eyes, not by any standard. Couples disagree and argue and make up.


He has the most delightful British accent you can imagine. Lucky Sabrina hearing that all day!


Oh yes, we're all enrapt by that British accent aren't we? So sexy...French ones are too....!



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Once the door to the bedroom is opened and the public invited in, well there will be "thoughts and opinions." I don't think anyone is gonna go in, see what there is to see and walk away like it never happened. No matter how consentual it is people are gonna have thoughts and opinions.


This is true Tonya. It's impossible to not have an opinion and to not say what's on your mind once the 'door' has been opened.


Different strokes? I don't think so Tex. In some states like Ohio LW's husband could be CRIMINALLY prosecuted for doing those things to her without her ever bringing charges against him....like if he cuts her deep one day and she ends up in the ER and the police are brought in.....not the same as being yelled at by your husband, not even close.Would the charges stick? Probably not with LW right there to tell them all to go to hell. But there is a saying in law enforcement. "You can beat the wrap, but you can't beat the ride." Meaning the DA may not prosecute you, but you are sure nuff going to be arrested and taken off to the pokey for a bit.


Well, in a sense it is different strokes for different folks Tonya. It is what they like to do. What they do take pleasure in. I've been a voyeur in a sense sometimes, looking in at this type of relationship when I watch HBO and programs that featured couples who love these type of activities. When you see them, they're quite sane people, living regular lives, except when it comes to their sexual tastes, pain gives them lots of pleasure. So it is different storkes for different folks.

The laws in this country are not as open as the laws in Europe where those kind of sexual activities are openly accepted. I think we, Americans tend to be quite prudish at times when it comes to ADULTS and sex. As consenting ADULTS one should be free to do whatever they want with each other and if they are in an ADULT relationship and love each other, then hey, who am I to say otherwise? Who is the law to interfare? I think that's stepping out of the boundaries of what the laws should really be doing, don't you?



All that aside. Yes, I know LW has this desire and I am not going to meddle in that....but when its posted for all the world to see, I will have an opinion. And I won't ever blow it off as something minor or normal. LW herself has described it as "sexually deviant," so on some level she knows others will view it that way as well.I am not judging her. I like her a lot. Not too wild about HIM though, but that is just my nature. I tend not to like men who beat up on women, even when the woman begs for it. But hey, that's just me. I don't expect everyone to agree with that.


True, she does like it, she does allow it and I'm ok with that. As for as the beating goes, I don't like men who beat women, and I won't make an excuse for this if this is what he does. However, if this is done in a playfully sexully manner, i.e., for kicks because sadists use whips and such stuff on each other, then that's a different thing. If we're talking about a bloody beat down then that's definately not acceptable! I've seen enough of that in my childhood, one particular neighbor who used to beat his girlfriend and it was quite public. NO way would I tolerate that!

I like them both. Nothing wrong with how you feel Tonya, don't make apologies for it. At least you're honest and that's important.


IN Virginia it is also against the law, but they long ago quit trying to enforce bedroom morality, and I dont think it would be even thought about unless one party pressed charges.


As I said before in response above our laws are too prudish when it comes to ADULT relationships, consenting ones, what business is it of theirs being in our bedrooms, unless like you say Doc someone presses charges because they didn't consent.


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I don't like ground beef. I've even written an article about it. I think it's nasty. I can't understand how other people eat it. I'm welcome to my opinion, but stating that opinion is about as far as it goes. I have no right to demand that other people stop eating ground beef (and I'm not saying that you've made demands of Simon or Sabrina, I'm speaking generally here).


I didn't see that article. I love ground beef, I'm not going to stop eating it either.....! And Tex, if you were a meat eater, the way I cook it...you would lick your fingers!!!

Thx for the upload again... I wrote an article to go with it and it's lost on my disk...waaaah! I'm going to keep trying to get it back and post it tomorrow.
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You obviously have an actual relationship with them and know them a lot better than I do.


Yep, she and Dharma does with Whip and Simon.



I don't know how to say it, but when I read that blog, I cried like a big fat baby. It made me so sad for LW (which I know she doesn't want and will no doubt despise) .....to me it seems so self-destructive....and she is so talented and articulate, and well seems to have a lot to offer. I hate to think of her groveling at anyone's feet. And more I hate to think of someone who LOVES her as he says time and again, being the very instrument of that self destruction.


Oh Tonya..I'm sorry you felt sadden by it. I'm sure no one wanted you to feel this way. Gosh I'm sorry. And no you're not being a big baby, you just look at somethings differently.


The thing that I think you're forgetting is that it's a consensual relationship. If she wants to leave, she will. Do you honestly think, knowing what you know about LW from her writing here, think that she would stay if she wasn't happy?


Absolutely Dharma. And she does go on about him doesn't she! If that's not love I don't know what is!


Well actually she has written much about staying with men who treated her like crap. But I am not saying her husband now falls into the category.


She has written a lot about her past abusive relationships. The fact that she's alive and still so sane after what she has experienced is a miracle in itself to me anyway. But where her relationship with Simon is concerned, I've seen a totally different writing, a different person, almost girlishly happy to be so loved and treasured by someone who actually cares about her. This is what I get from her.


am saying when someone tells you they are a monster, then gives you facts to back it up. Well, I think its a safe bet to take them on their word. I didn't call him that, he calls HIMSELF that.


To me he isn't and I'll tell you why. And of course this is IMO. I've been around a lot of people in my lifetime, lived in a lot of different places. Seen people who I would consider "monsters" because what Simon is is tame compared to them. While what he does is mostly what he does out of sexual desire and pleasures, from what I gather... the people who I considered monsters did what they do in the real world to others who didn't want it or didn't consent to it. I'm talking physical violence, pain inflicted, perversity inflicted without thought for the others. I've lived in the ghetto in Jamaica, I've lived in what's considered good and bad places in NY...that's a life time of observation. I read a lot and I've read some lifestories and I watch television a lot and I've seen some autobiographies of what other people have experience that I'm amazed at how they lived through.

He says he's a monster, then I too will accept what he says, (I dont' think I said he wasn't) but I believe he said that because of what others would percieve him as just that because of his tastes, it's not the norm to what you or I would do. And he's right isn't he?


Yet there will be others who have the same tastes and interests that would disagree with you because to them, his sexual tastes is quite normal.

I don't know the ins and outs of their relationship and I won't even try to wrap my brain around it, and I don't want to. I will allow myself to know what information they want me to know from what they share in their writings, I will grasp from what they say only that which I want to know, no more. But being empathic in nature as I am, I totally understand where he's coming from and where she's coming from and the relationship they do have with each other. I can look at what he writes with an open mind. (and this is not a judgement on you or anyone else who thinks differently Tonya).


This blog is about him classifying himself as a monster. I don't understand why people are trying to talk me out of it, when I am not the one who made that original claim. He did. I am just agreeing.I am not. I have no point of bearing to relate to it. I am not condemning, but like you, let each call their own titles.


I agree with Doc that we're not trying to talk you out of what you feel. I would never do that. We're having a discussion as to what we each feel about this being a "monster" topic. No judgements here. Not on my watch people! (in my army voice harumph!)

[and I submit again before I lose all I just wrote]
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They have a different relationship, that's for sure. Is he a monster? I don't think so. He's got himself figured out, see. He knows what he likes, HOW he is.....he's in control of himself and his desires. I'm more afraid of the stranger living in small town USA who likes the same thing EoIC but who has no clue as to why he's that way - and, more importantly, has no outlet for his desires. Fear of oneself and ones desires, confusion about said desires and sexual frustration because one doesn't have an outlet for those desires.....THOSE are the things that make a person monstrous.


Exactly Dharma, exactly!



Oh what I'd give to be a fly on their wall


Me too eh, eh...now whose the pervert?!!





FS, you really must point me towards these types of articles because I almost missed it, thinking it was about the movie about Aileen Wournos entitled "Monster." (she was a female serial killer recently executed for her crimes, a rare bird indeed.)


I posted this in a rush yestereday and I was so busy with your blog I didn't get around to telling you! Plus my computer is not being nice to me since yesterday so.....but I'm glad you found it!



Know this...He IS a monster.Know this too, I've never been treated better in my life. I've never been happier in my life. Because I'm monstrous too, just at a different level.He is inclined to make a response now, so I'm going to vacate this seat. Before I do, let me leave you with one of His poems. I fell in love with Him reading His poems, long before we ever laid eyes on each other. I've never regretted it.


I'll take your word for it on the previous and be totally in awed with you on the latter!



I think I've read it before because you posted it before didn't you? It still amazed me too in what he wrote. While some would look and take it literally for what it is, painfilled terror, I do see the beauty in it by stepping out of my natural thought and not being literal but rather looking at it from the outside...if you get what I'm saying...sometimes my brain is warped and my explanations too complicated!