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Study: More than a third of PC software pirated

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Study: More than a third of PC software pirated

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More than a third of the software installed on PCs worldwide during 2004 was pirated, with losses from unauthorized software increasing by $4 billion from 2003, according to a study released Wednesday by the software trade group Business Software Alliance (BSA).


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Reply #26 from WinCustomize Forums Top
... It's a loss of $10,000 of property belonging to the software company.....sales is immaterial.
A stolen car is not a lost sale either, if that's the case.
It's a perfectly good analogy.
Property is obtained without payment.
What, how or why is irrelevant.


I give up. There's only so much beating my head against the wall I can take.

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Reply #27 from WinCustomize Forums Top
*cough*youdon't"own"softwaretobeginwith,youlicenseit,soit'snot"property"*cough*

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Reply #28 from WinCustomize Forums Top
What I see is this...

people go to a store to "buy" software but what they are really buying is not the software, they are only buying the right to use the software... so... what it comes down to is... it's not the software being stolen, it's the "rights" of use that is being stolen! The comparison of the Ferrari being stolen is not a viable comparison because when you buy a Ferrari you get a Ferrari not just a "right" to use a Ferrari!

Stealing is wrong, granted, software piracy is partly the fault of the companies because of the way they sell it to the public as "buy the software" when they should be saying "buy the rights to use my software". I know if I where to go buy a Ferrari its mine to do with as I want weather I sell the original wheels I replaced or what ever.

lets say someone has a company and buys a vehicle that anybody can use for company business, not a concern of the automaker but, if a company buys a piece of software that everybody needs to use for company business, the software company wants to make sure said customer also buys the right for all employees to use it just because they have separate work stations. Good thing they're not required to buy a separate vehicle for each employee to use (any ones blood pressure jump just now?) as this would cut across the grain of what we know and understand, just as the way software is sold/licensed.

Yes, there are thieves in the world of every kind. Some steel Ferrari's, some steel the right to use a piece of software. This is a part of life as we know it in the modern world and probably not going to change in my life time. But it's my opinion that a large part of this piracy issue is the fault of the software company’s terms of use policies that just don't fit the way society views purchasing. When we go to the store and buy anything we expect to own it. But when we go and buy software we're not aloud to own it in the way we think we should own it and this is what I see as the biggest part of the problem.

So what this brings me to is an understanding that software piracy is mostly because of the fallout of corporate greed and partly because of human nature to keep up with the Jones’s.

In the near future I plan on building a new PC and will probable use the same programs I use on this one that I plan on giving to my child. Do I see this as wrong? No! I did pay for it and I consider it mine. I see the requirement of replacing all of it for my future computer as ludicrous. I will not remove it because I want my daughter to experiment and learn to use some of it. She is a nine year old with downs syndrome and she tries to use Photoshop like her dad does. Will I keep it from her or help some over paid executive buy a third Mercedes so he has one more than the guy next door? I think not!!!

If that makes me a PIRATE than so be it!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

~~~FESTER~~~
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, it is stealing, but the scum software companies bring it on themselves.
Reply #30 from WinCustomize Forums Top
My only comment is. Where do all of you see this conversation going? In all cases all are right and all are wrong. Each of you has one little peice of a much larger puzzle. Its very simmilar to dealing with illegal aliens in the united states. You cant keep track of them, they commit crimes, they do damage to property, the don't pay taxes, they don't have insurance, they cause higher health care premiums, etc. But if you get ride of them, then the entire construction industry in the US would completely shut down. Not to mention alot of the auto industry, fast food (dishwashing and other) They fill millions of jobs in the US that the US citizens are too proud to take.

Perhaps its not what is wrong you should be looking at but how the right. How many more software licenses are sold each year because the person who bought it knew someone who pirates (and most pirates know their software) how many of them bought the software because they trusted someone who knows it.
Do any of you care to see how it helps the industry. I do admit that it does alot of damage, but you have to be willing to look at both sides of the picture. If anyone is limited to only one view on things you are being decieved, either by others or by yourself.

Moderation in all things my friends. Seek information not opinion.
Reply #31 from WinCustomize Forums Top

". I know if I where to go buy a Ferrari its mine to do with as I want

Wrong.

Try putting an 'Uncle Fester' badge on it and selling it as your own creation.

Guess what?  Ferrari still owns the design and any/all inherent trademarks, etc.

You can crash it into a tree all you like....but you cannot claim it as your intellectual property...that still belongs to Fiat.

Reply #32 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Try putting an 'Uncle Fester' badge on it and selling it as your own creation.


so now the subject is copy right infringement? i thought it was software piracy...

More than a third of the software installed on PCs worldwide during 2004 was pirated, with losses from unauthorized software increasing by $4 billion from 2003, according to a study released Wednesday by the software trade group Business Software Alliance (BSA).


nothing in there about copy rights and i'm not stupid enough to change the name from photoshop to festers artstudio and try to sell it.

people in school, includeing some friends, that know i have photoshop have asked me to make them a copy for them. i'm not about to do that with any of my software, i had to buy it and so can they. if they can't aford thirteen hundred bucks for the creative suite they can allways pirate it. LMAO besides, it gives me one up on the ones who don't have it. what can i say, it's a dog eat dog world out there. LOL
Reply #33 from WinCustomize Forums Top

 Citizen unckle fester   ...amongst other things [such as property theft] warez is about theft of copyright....distribution rights.

Just because YOU haven't had it spelled out for you in the subject title does not negate its reality...

Reply #34 from WinCustomize Forums Top
warez is a program for downloading shared files and yes that is a big part of piracy. how many pirated copys of software are modified to look diferent and sold as a diferent piece of software by a diferent company? not many i bet...
Reply #35 from WinCustomize Forums Top

warez is a program for downloading shared files

No, 'warez' is an accessible and unauthorised [stolen] program, either on a compilation CD or somewhere on the net.

Call it trend-speak for 'stolen property', nothing more...

Reply #36 from WinCustomize Forums Top
okay, i'll give you that. i heard of it in the past as a P2P site much the same as kazaa. your talking about copy right infringement though, not the stolen rights of use that piracy is about.
Reply #37 from WinCustomize Forums Top

not the stolen rights of use that piracy is about

Strangely it's the same animal, actually...

Reply #38 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I do think the tons of the stolen software, and mostly photoshop is stolen by people that never use or know how to use it. Which if you do steal photoshop and only use it once or so a month, really no point in paying 700 bucks for it is there? Which must be why adobe is generous enough to basically give away free copies of elements.

I think the way they figured this number, or perhaps just the way they word it is flawed. 4 billion is the amount of theft, not the amount of lost sales. They could at least say lost 4 billion in potential sales. You could say they don't lose anything tangible as in an item that they sale, but they lose a potential customer for sure from each successfully stolen copy. None of the people that steal a product are goign to then buy it. So they have lost something.

But ferrari and adobe and other companies all let you take test drives. Although test driving a ferrari isn't as simple
Reply #39 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm probably the only guy who still uses Photoshop 5.0 LE, that came with one of my scanners years ago.

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Reply #40 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Looks to me the hole number is greater than the number quoted because it says "increasing by $4 billion from 2003". To get the complete figure you would have to add the number from 2003 and I’m not going to look it up but it would be interesting to know what it is.

More than likely it’s probably higher than the true figure just to emphasize the point. To get the true number they would have to know exactly how many pieces of software where illegal. If they knew that they would know who had it. If they knew that there would be even more overcrowding in prisons across the globe.
Reply #41 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Prisons? Not likely, since the real issue here is money I'd say it's safe to assume they'd prefer to fine everyone at 30x the retail price
Reply #42 from WinCustomize Forums Top
No, 'warez' is an accessible and unauthorised [stolen] program, either on a compilation CD or somewhere on the net.



Jafo, Jafo, Jafo, you prove your youth.
Warez dosen't actually mean stolen/pirated software.
Its short for software.
Don't you remember BBS's? Probably not.

I saw an amazing thing in Malaysia a few years ago.
It was a copy of Windows XP Pro being sold by a street vendor.
It had the real hologram and whatnot on it.
It had a valid serial number.
Yet it was only about $5 US.

And anyhow, you've got to stop it with the car theft comparison.
You're comparing apples and oranges.
IP laws and physical property laws do NOT co-exist nor do they work together.
Reply #43 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Doomgaze, Doomgaze, Doomgaze ...my 'youth' is twice your age ... so your 'proof' is fubar'ed.

Nice try, though....

Reply #44 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Re the 'warez' shift of meaning...think of it like 'gay' .... in my time it meant 'happy'.

My point was that 'warez' is not a replacement for Kazaa, it's that which is got with Kazaa....

And as for 'apples and oranges', no....I was actually comparing data theft with car theft .... both IN FACT 'property theft'.

Reply #45 from WinCustomize Forums Top
heres a brand new quote this thread has inspierd me to come up with...

mastering justification is a danger we should all avoid and a lesson we should learn from when it blows up in our face...

~~~ Thomas R Johnson ~~~

circa ~ 2005

lets see what he comes up with for that!!! lol
Reply #46 from WinCustomize Forums Top
mastering justification is a danger we should all avoid and a lesson we should learn from when it blows up in our face...


If you can not justify you will either be indecisive or make poor choices. What if the justification is truly valid?

Since we are talking about stealing:

Should it not be more towards: The mastery of justifying that behaviour which is deemed inappropriate by society as a whole and illegal by law...?
Reply #47 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Why not just use mine....

"The problem with mankind is he is just too intelligent to understand just how stupid he really is." © Jafo

Reply #48 from WinCustomize Forums Top
i LIKE that.