TotalGaming Phase 2 Preview..

Here are the details..

Things are about to get very exciting for TotalGaming.net subscribers. We are about to embark upon TotalGaming.net: Phase 2.

First off, existing TotalGaming.net subscribers are going to be getting two new games shortly: Hacker Elite and Nexagon.

Shortly after that, we’ll be going into phase 2. It will be a different type of subscription model than what we’ve had before but one that we think will benefit gamers and developers more so than the current system.

TotalGaming.net Phase 2 will change to be as follows:

Price: $69.95
Time: 2-years
Tokens: 10

In the current system, a user pays $89 to receive all the games available plus what we come out with for one year. On paper, it sounds terrific. But in reality, it creates a real challenge to keep getting new content onto the system.

In the new system, different games will cost differing amounts of tokens. For instance, The Political Machine would cost 2 tokens. Celtic Kings would cost 2 tokens. Galactic Civilizations would cost 3 tokens, and so forth. The user would have 2 full years to use their tokens. If the tokens are used up before then, they can purchase booster packs at $34.95 for 5 more tokens at a time.

Through this system, game developers will be able to receive royalties based on the popularity of their individual game. This enables Stardock to provide newer games from a larger variety of sources for the player to choose from.

Existing TotalGaming.net customers would be transitioned to the new system. On the day of Phase 2’s launch, existing TotalGaming.net active subscribers would get all the existing games on TotalGaming.net automatically.

On top of that, they will receive 10 tokens to use on future games and two years to use them. This has the advantage of ensuring that players who want to get Galactic Civilizations II (for instance) don’t have to worry that it will come out after their subscription expires (it’ll be definitely out within the next year or so, let alone two).

Needless to say, if you haven’t already gotten TotalGaming.net, now’s the best time to get it since existing TotalGaming.net users end up with the best of both worlds.

And for game developers, the new system enables them to receive royalties on the tokens spent on their game. Games can still, of course, be purchased stand-alone.

Stardock also has a massively multiplayer real time strategy in development that will be available first in beta for TotalGaming.net subscribers.

If you’re a game developer and want to have your game distributed on TotalGaming.net, contact [email protected].

To learn more, visit http://www.totalgaming.net
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Reply #1 Top
Let me see if I get this straight. I started my TG sub in November 2004. With the "phase 2" starting some time this year, do I get (from that day onwards) the 10 credits/tokens to use till the end of 2006? Or when the phase 2 starts I get the 10 tokens till November 2005?
BTW, the new "old" system makes more sense for the reasons you explained earlier so that developers get more money if the people choose their games. I think it will work fine.
Reply #2 Top
I have a question about Phase Two of Totalgaming...

In the existing system, a subscriber can download and install any and all of the games on the network, at a later date if that user reformats his system, all he has to do is log back into Stardock Central and re-download those same games again. The user is ENTITLED and ENABLED to do this whenever and however many times is neccesary.
In the new Phase Two system, when a user downloads a game using some of his tokens, is that game then ENABLED for download at ANY later time? Can I come back and download that game again in a few months if I format over the install?

Secondly, for those of us on Totalgaming already, who have downloaded the existing games. When Phase Two roles around and we have our additional Ten Tokens for the NEW titles... Will those tokens be used up if we re-download one of the games that was on the network PRE Phase Two (One of the games we already HAVE, but might need the install for again)?

Thanks for any answers you can give.
Reply #3 Top
I too have a question.

At present we have access to all the games all the time, even once our subscription expires. Since this was a cornerstone of our subscription are we going to lose this ?

At least we are going to get access to our exisiting games whilst in pahse 2 at no credit cost, from what i understand reading your post. It is my feeling that anything in pre phase 2 should be available under the origional agreement you had with us.

I am happy totalgaming.net is finally moving forward and hope it grows in the future
Reply #4 Top
Let me see if I get this straight. I started my TG sub in November 2004. With the "phase 2" starting some time this year, do I get (from that day onwards) the 10 credits/tokens to use till the end of 2006? Or when the phase 2 starts I get the 10 tokens till November 2005?


Two years would get added to November 2004. So you would have until November 2006. So effectively an extra year. Plus you'll get all the games available on TG.net at the time of the switch-over without having to use any credits AND you'll get 10 credits to use on other games.

Reply #5 Top
In the existing system, a subscriber can download and install any and all of the games on the network, at a later date if that user reformats his system, all he has to do is log back into Stardock Central and re-download those same games again. The user is ENTITLED and ENABLED to do this whenever and however many times is neccesary.
In the new Phase Two system, when a user downloads a game using some of his tokens, is that game then ENABLED for download at ANY later time? Can I come back and download that game again in a few months if I format over the install?


Once a game has been "purchased" by you, you get it forever. So let's say you spent your tokens on MegaGame IV, you would be able to re-download as many times as you would like - months, years from then.
Reply #6 Top
At present we have access to all the games all the time, even once our subscription expires. Since this was a cornerstone of our subscription are we going to lose this ?


No, you'll still have access to everything, even if your subscription expires. The subscription expiring in Phase 2 just means you have until then to use your tokens.

Plus, it allows us to have special "active subscriber" type games on there such as our MMORTS.
Reply #7 Top
Great to here some news on the TGN front. And it sounds like a really smart restructuring of the TGN which should make it more attractive to current and future subscribers. Kudos to you for including those 2 promised games in before the switch to phase two as well.

My first question is whether subscribers could have a trial period with any of the newly released phase 2 games on TGN where they could be taken for a test run before using our tokens on them. I suppose this could be accomplished by downloading a demo of the game on that respective games website (if a demo is available) but the finality of spending these tokens on a game I might not enjoy is daunting, although in the grand scheme I guess this is not much different than buying a game from a retailer. Having a demo available on the TGN site though to try before spending tokens would I believe make the service more attractive to new subscribers though.

My last questions pertain to my subscription and I guess extends to any of those with existing subscriptions and forgive me if this was answered previously in response to Efthimios. My subscription expires in May 2005 (it began in Nov 2003) when will my subscription now end? Also, you say that the 2 new games will be released "shortly" and that "shortly" after that phase 2 will begin, any chance of nailing down the shortly's into a more solid time frame? With my expiration date am I in danger of expiring before these changes come about?

Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Reply #8 Top
Well Frogboy, sounds good to me!
Reply #9 Top
quick thought... what do we do with 1 token?
Reply #10 Top
I could tell you what you could do with it.
I guess smaller games like LW Ninja could cost 1?
OR, Stardock could expand and have mp3 downloads, and you could buy a number of the with 1 token?
Reply #11 Top
the 2 games look pretty decent that are coming out. theres a free demo of Uplink: Hackers Elite
Reply #12 Top
How does one check when their subscription ends?
Reply #13 Top
Is there any hope of a customer-recommended game being added to the system? It still looks like Strategy First related titles are being picked, for whatever reason.

My choice: Planescape Torment if the rights are available.
Reply #14 Top
How will be the beta handled? Will the cost tokens, allowing to have full upgrade of the game even if the suscription runn out?
Reply #15 Top
Is there a dollar value on these tokens ?

Not to happy about the concept.

In the past you can download a game like it you keep it.
Now you download a game hate it you wasted tokens.



I assume by past experiance any program that you buy you get free updates until the next major release.

For example if Stardock has the same policy for Object Desktop you pay whatever 3 tokens for Windowblinds get
Windowblinds 4.x forever but when Windowblinds 5.x is released you have to pay again.

Please do not change the Object desktop model.
Reply #16 Top
Windowblinds should be less than 3, considering the dollar value. SInce it is not a game, I don't see it happening though.

Technician, I can see your point, but, you can just play the demo of the game before, right? Well, at least when there is one.
Reply #17 Top
There is not a working demo in every case, but it be great if you can play the game before you commit on purchasing.
Reply #18 Top
I think I like the concept. Bit hard to grasp when you first wake up.;)

There is not a working demo in every case, but it be great if you can play the game before you commit on purchasing.


I think that this would be a good idea. I did like the current way of you buy everything, but you can try stuff out. But with the token idea, you couldn't do that. So perhaps a free download of games, 1 or 2 hours of playtime to be used, with options disabled to make you buy it of course;), that way we could decide whether to buy it or not.

However, I REALLY like the 2-year extension. Thank you! You guys are awesome!
Reply #19 Top
Will there be a way to purchase additional tokens? I would hate to have my 2 year sub, hit year 1.5 and realize that MegaGame V (Sequel to mega-hit MegaGame IV) is about to come out, but I'm a token short... or worse, completely out of tokens. Would I have to sink another $70 into the system?

Maybe a slightly discounted price per token could be done for any tokens beyond the original 10 given.

I can't keep track of when my subscription will actually end anymore. I bought GC1 via SD Central, upgraded to Dregnin.Net for something like $30. Upgraded to TG.Net for free and that extended my subscription from that point. The new system is going to tack on an additional 2 years. Damn best $30 I ever spent!

Reply #20 Top
Rather than make multiple posts, let me try to answer some of the various concerns FAQ style.

Can I try a game before I spend tokens on it?

As a few people mentioned, this is exactly what demos are for. We do plan to have demos available for most (if not all) of the new games added during Phase 2. Of course, some titles won't have demos for varying reasons; in those cases you'll have to educate yourselves like every other gamer (i.e., read reviews, check the forums for what people think, etc.). I don't think there's really any safe way of letting people download the entire game and having it time out without massive DRM involvement.

Is there any hope of a customer-recommended game being added to the system?

There's always hope, but it depends on the game in question. A number of factors come into play in this regard. You can always make suggestions to us here in the forums for us to consider.

Is there a dollar value on these tokens?

This seems to be a question of simple math: $69.95 gets you 10 tokens with your subscription, so...

Will there be a way to purchase additional tokens?

Yes, we are planning to offer token booster packs.

Hope this helps.
Reply #21 Top
Will there be a way to purchase additional tokens?

Well, look at the top post:
If the tokens are used up before then, they can purchase booster packs at $34.95 for 5 more tokens at a time.

Which is half the price of a full 2 year subscription

And a token is roughly worth 7$
Reply #22 Top
So a game like Galactic Civilizations II, which is expected to have an SRP of $49.95 would cost 5 tokens. At roughly $7 per token, that's $35 (instead of $50).
Reply #23 Top
hmm, not sure if I like the new system. It makes perfect sense for Stardock, but we are going from getting all the games to only 3 or 4 (for 2 years). Consider 5 tokens for GC2, which I'd think most people would be buying, that leaves 5 tokens. Thats maybe 2, or at most 3 other games.

It is still a good deal (i.e. GC2 for only 35), but not nearly as good as it was.
Reply #24 Top
I don't know. At first Ithought it was a good idea this phase 2. But, if SD manages to get a much larger selection of games, with the same easy to buy and download/back up way it is done, and we can choose to buy/download as many as we want according to the tokens we have, then, it just sounds great. It does turn similar to other digital destribution systems, but only better. I hope that SD manages to get more developers into this now with the new system, I think the new system (phase 2) will make much more sense if they manage that. We will be able to choose from a wide variety of games and just download them. It just sounds like a win win situation for us gamers.
The only extra wish I have is that the games are already patched, and when/if there is a new patch, to be able to apply that one.

I mentioned earlier, half joking, that perhaps SD could also have some music for download with tokens. The more I think of it, the more I like it. Probably not something that SD wants, but I would prefer to have one place where I can download/buy my games and music than several. If of course the bitrate is higher than the lousy 128 and without the @#E!@$ DRM.
OK, I will shut up now.
Reply #25 Top
So a game like Galactic Civilizations II, which is expected to have an SRP of $49.95 would cost 5 tokens. At roughly $7 per token, that's $35 (instead of $50).

If the ratio is kept, that means we can easily match the retail price with the number of token:
1 token is equal to 10$ for Sales Retail Price, and 7$ for TGN license. This means a 30% rebate compared to retail price.