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Start11 v2.5 Beta Feedback Thread

Start11 v2.5 Beta Feedback Thread

With the Start11 v2.5 beta release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining Object Desktop Insider Builds

Object Desktop Manager

Object Desktop members can get beta and Insider builds from within Object Desktop Manager with 'Enable Object Desktop Insider builds' enabled:

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Stardock Download Page

Or via their download page in the ‘Object Desktop Insider’ section

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Obtaining Beta Releases

Stardock.com

If a beta was released, Object Desktop Members would see it in the ‘Object Desktop’ section.

Individual purchases would see it on their registration of the product under their download page.

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Steam

  • Right-click the Product in Steam

  • Properties

  • Betas

  • Select the beta branch at the top right (there is no password)

Example

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Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 v2 a better product.

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Reply #26 Top

I had to disable rounded corners, because the start menu would no appear when I clicked in the upper left corner when rounded corners are enabled. 
When disabled the start meny appears when clicking in the upper left corner. 

Is it possible to fix so that the start menu opens with rounded corners enabled when we click in the upper left corner? I dont really want to do precise aiming with mouse and click on the start menu logo, to bring out the menu.

Reply #27 Top

Quoting selesn777, reply 25

Hello! Yesterday I installed this new beta version. Unfortunately, the added shortcuts from portable programs to the Start11 menu still work poorly: when you right-click, there is a long delay before the menu opens. Maybe the developer can fix it this way? Unfortunately, when recording a video, this is not visible properly, so I am not attaching it.

 

 

Are the portable apps installed on a slow drive?

If not I suspect the OS is slow returning jump list information for some reason.

Why is it not visible in a video?

Reply #28 Top

Currently testing Windows Server 2025 and as they have replaced the start menu with the horrible one from Windows 11 I thought I would see if Start11 would work. When I try to install it I get this:

It's removable on Windows Server as it's an unnecessary piece of garbage, along with the Edge browser replaced with either Brave or Firefox depending on the need - please can you make it optional so it can be ignored? Thanks.

FYI, I have it removed on all my Windows 11 machines that also run Start11 and it has zero effect on anything I run or care about.

Reply #29 Top

Quoting Taomyn, reply 28

Currently testing Windows Server 2025 and as they have replaced the start menu with the horrible one from Windows 11 I thought I would see if Start11 would work. When I try to install it I get this:



It's removable on Windows Server as it's an unnecessary piece of garbage, along with the Edge browser replaced with either Brave or Firefox depending on the need - please can you make it optional so it can be ignored? Thanks.

FYI, I have it removed on all my Windows 11 machines that also run Start11 and it has zero effect on anything I run or care about.

The webview2 runtime is a runtime control for use by other apps, not the usual MS edge.  It is a replacement for the older IE based HTML control the OS provides.  This is used by the new change log window.  I believe MS office 365 will also install it along with other apps.

Reply #30 Top

Quoting Neil, reply 19


Quoting GameBurrow,






Quoting sdrohan,








      • NEW Centred taskbar buttons mode in Win11 now works on > 2 monitor setups









Doesn't seem to be working, I have 4 monitors. Upon choosing the option, the start menu still aligns left on all of them:





Can you try uninstalling, rebooting and then reinstalling in case files are not being replaced correctly.

I confirm also that for me with 6 monitors it does not work. The start button remains left aligned. And I tried uninstalling, rebooting and re-installing, it did not help.

Reply #31 Top

Quoting Taomyn, reply 28

It's removable on Windows Server as it's an unnecessary piece of garbage, along with the Edge browser replaced with either Brave or Firefox depending on the need - please can you make it optional so it can be ignored? Thanks.

Quoting Neil, reply 29


Quoting Taomyn,

Currently testing Windows Server 2025 and as they have replaced the start menu with the horrible one from Windows 11 I thought I would see if Start11 would work. When I try to install it I get this:



It's removable on Windows Server as it's an unnecessary piece of garbage, along with the Edge browser replaced with either Brave or Firefox depending on the need - please can you make it optional so it can be ignored? Thanks.

FYI, I have it removed on all my Windows 11 machines that also run Start11 and it has zero effect on anything I run or care about.



The webview2 runtime is a runtime control for use by other apps, not the usual MS edge.  It is a replacement for the older IE based HTML control the OS provides.  This is used by the new change log window.  I believe MS office 365 will also install it along with other apps.

Neil is correct on all fronts.  Nearly all normal Windows 11 installs should have this installed by default (and a very high % for Windows 10) as MS uses it themselves. 

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #33 Top

All,

The Start11 beta has been updated to 2.4.9.1. For details, please see

https://forums.stardock.com/532897/get;3953520

As always, thank you for your time, feedback, and support.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #34 Top

Quoting Hreich1, reply 32

Can somebody point me how to enable vertical taskbar in new beta start11 ?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #35 Top

OS Version: 

 

Issue description:

When vertical taskbar enabled, typing features like auto complete window in English and typing word candidates window in Chinese are missing.

 

Steps to recreate the issue:
1. Enable vertical taskbar

2. Try typing in any application

 

Screenshots:

[when using horizontal taskbar, auto complete window in English functions normally]

[when using horizontal taskbar, word candidates window in Chinese functions normally]

[when using vertical taskbar, auto complete window in English is missing]

[when using vertical taskbar, word candidates window in Chinese is missing]

Reply #36 Top

Fix for >2 monitor taskbar center mode.

I am here to happily announce that I now have centered icons and start menu button on all my 6 monitors.

Thank you guys, you are doing a great work and the novelties just before Christmas was a great gift.

 

Reply #37 Top

Quoting Nikosyan, reply 36

Fix for >2 monitor taskbar center mode.

I am here to happily announce that I now have centered icons and start menu button on all my 6 monitors.

Thank you guys, you are doing a great work and the novelties just before Christmas was a great gift.

 

Very pleased to read and thanks for the update.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #38 Top

I bought a license for Start11 as soon as I saw aligning the taskbar to the side of the desktop was now an option 🤩

When left-aligned, application right-click jump lists are too small:

The issue appears to be due to the program icons being close to the top of the screen, and the Start11 context menu always starts close to the program icon, which means there's not enough vertically to contain the jump list so it shrinks it. I would prefer if the context menu retained the full jump list that is present when the taskbar is on the bottom/top of the screen, without resorting to having to scroll through it.

Another issue with side-aligned taskbar is that there are no window previews when hovering over active program icons.

Also, with combined icons on the taskbar, there is no way to activate an application which has had its icons combined-- clicking on it does nothing where in top/bottom alignment clicking will at least activate one instance of the application. 

Hopefully these can be addressed during beta!

Reply #39 Top

Quoting CapnBry, reply 38

I bought a license for Start11 as soon as I saw aligning the taskbar to the side of the desktop was now an option 🤩

When left-aligned, application right-click jump lists are too small:



The issue appears to be due to the program icons being close to the top of the screen, and the Start11 context menu always starts close to the program icon, which means there's not enough vertically to contain the jump list so it shrinks it. I would prefer if the context menu retained the full jump list that is present when the taskbar is on the bottom/top of the screen, without resorting to having to scroll through it.

Another issue with side-aligned taskbar is that there are no window previews when hovering over active program icons.

Also, with combined icons on the taskbar, there is no way to activate an application which has had its icons combined-- clicking on it does nothing where in top/bottom alignment clicking will at least activate one instance of the application. 

Hopefully these can be addressed during beta!

Hello,
Sorry to hear you are having issues. It is best if you could also report your full Windows 11 version and OS build number. Please use Winver.exe.

Thank you.
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

Reply #40 Top

Quoting CapnBry, reply 38

The issue appears to be due to the program icons being close to the top of the screen, and the Start11 context menu always starts close to the program icon, which means there's not enough vertically to contain the jump list so it shrinks it. I would prefer if the context menu retained the full jump list that is present when the taskbar is on the bottom/top of the screen, without resorting to having to scroll through it.

This definitely needs to be addressed. However, as a workaround set "Vertically center the taskbar buttons." This will provide more room for jump lists.

I don't see the other issues on my system.

Please reply with your Windows version as Basj requested above.

Reply #41 Top

Sure! Here's my info from winver (windows 11 x64)

Thanks for the tip about centering the taskbar buttons, that definitely helps not squish the jump lists against the top of the screen.

Reply #42 Top

Found another little bug.  Using MS Surface Pen 2 on a MS Surface Studio 2 laptop. Taskbar vertical on the left. Cannot resize the taskbar with the pen even though the double-ended resize arrow shows when hovering the pen over the right hand edge of the taskbar. I would say this is a low priority bug! Just wanted to bring it to your attention.

Reply #43 Top

Thanks for the answer! Portable programs are located on Samsung SSD. And this is not a problem with this particular beta version - it was the same in the final version. I reported this earlier.

 

And regarding the problem with the search in the start menu in Russian: in the native start menu, search in Russian works without problems.

 

 

Reply #44 Top

Just played around with vertical taskbars. Unfortunately, they seem to be in early beta because hovering over the icons does not show anything. So either you have to drag the taskbar to be pretty wide to be able to read the labels, or there is no solution to find and click on your open window since all open windows of the same app have the same icon. The name of the app appears when hovering on icons of apps which are not open, just pinned on the taskbar, but nothing on open apps.

Reply #45 Top

Quoting Nikosyan, reply 44

Just played around with vertical taskbars. Unfortunately, they seem to be in early beta because hovering over the icons does not show anything. So either you have to drag the taskbar to be pretty wide to be able to read the labels, or there is no solution to find and click on your open window since all open windows of the same app have the same icon. The name of the app appears when hovering on icons of apps which are not open, just pinned on the taskbar, but nothing on open apps.

It should be showing thumbnails

Which OS are you on including build number?

Also what other software do you have installed, Fences, Deskscapes, WindowBlinds, anything else that might impact explorer or the taskbar?

Reply #46 Top

Quoting Neil, reply 45

It should be showing thumbnails

Which OS are you on including build number?

Also what other software do you have installed, Fences, Deskscapes, WindowBlinds, anything else that might impact explorer or the taskbar?

I realise you weren't talking to me, but just to give you another data point, mine is working as described: a thumbnail for the open programs, and the program name for the rest of the icons.

Start11 2.49

Window 11 Home, 24H2, Build 26100.2605

No other Stardock programs installed.

Reply #47 Top

First, thanks for vertical taskbar.

I got a bug, Star11v2, ver2.49.1; Windows 11 23h2 (v22631.4602); in 4k resolution the taskbar cant 'be resized, its small. I've tried:

  • Taskbar -> Enhanced taskbar setting -> Additional Settings -> Allow the taskbar to resized
  • Lock all taskbars disabled
  • Taskbar -> Taskbars size -> large
  • Restarted windows

 

Reply #48 Top

Quoting Neil, reply 45


Quoting Nikosyan,

Just played around with vertical taskbars. Unfortunately, they seem to be in early beta because hovering over the icons does not show anything. So either you have to drag the taskbar to be pretty wide to be able to read the labels, or there is no solution to find and click on your open window since all open windows of the same app have the same icon. The name of the app appears when hovering on icons of apps which are not open, just pinned on the taskbar, but nothing on open apps.



It should be showing thumbnails

Which OS are you on including build number?

Also what other software do you have installed, Fences, Deskscapes, WindowBlinds, anything else that might impact explorer or the taskbar?

No other programs installed, I had a Windhawk mode, "Taskbar Thumbnail reorder" and your reply made me think that this might be the problem, I deactivated and rebooted without it, still no thumbnails.

My Windows version is 23H2, 22631.4602.

I will try to re-install Start11 and come back here to write if it fixes the issue

Reply #49 Top

CHANGE Request (If this belongs elsewhere, please let me know.)

When hovering the pointer over running programs on the task bar, the pop-up window is teeny tiny - way too small to make out any details. I would like them to be twice as big both vertically and horizontally. Even better would be to let the user choose the size in the Settings. 

Reply #50 Top

Quoting SteveThackery, reply 49

CHANGE Request (If this belongs elsewhere, please let me know.)

When hovering the pointer over running programs on the task bar, the pop-up window is teeny tiny - way too small to make out any details. I would like them to be twice as big both vertically and horizontally. Even better would be to let the user choose the size in the Settings. 

That's the standard windows thumbnail window.  It should be identical to the size used without Start11.

I believe there are some OS registry keys to alter the default size but there was a suggestion those were broken in recent insider builds.