Duckduckgo, Microsoft, Searches, Privacy and Censorship

Privacy that isn't, secret censorship and opacity.

This past week, two articles taught me (once again), "Don't believe anything they tell you and suspect everything."

The first (chronologically) reported that online searches done even in the U.S. and Canada using Bing are censored in the start menu search, Bing, and even Duckduckgo which uses Bing's (but not Google's, lol) autosuggestion and shares data with MS. More on that, later. The duplicity of that in its advertising alone is staggering considering how Duckduckgo states how it respects your privacy and prevents tracking a la Google. 

Notice which company isn't mentioned in this graph from Duckduckgo's website: Microsoft.

What's being censored?

"You may find it hard to search for people considered politically sensitive in China if you're using Bing — even if you're in the United States. The Citizen Lab, a research lab based at the University of Toronto's Munk School, has analyzed Bing's autosuggestion system and found that names of Chinese party leaders and dissidents don't automatically show up like they usually would when you start typing. They're apparently the second largest category of names censored by autosuggest, next to names related to pornography and eroticism.

The lab found that the censorship applies to names typed in Chinese characters and in English letters. Plus, it affects not just Bing, but also the Windows Start menu search and DuckDuckGo, which uses Bing's autosuggestion system. Perhaps more importantly, it applies to various regions in the world, including China, the US and Canada. Some of the most prominent examples of names Microsoft won't autocomplete are President Xi Jinping, human rights activist Liu Xiaobo and the Tank Man, which is the nickname for the unidentified Chinese man who famously stood in front of the tanks leaving Tiananmen Square." - M. Moon, Engaget

The second article revealed that Duckduckgo's searches aren't as private as we've been led to believe.

"DuckDuckGo made a deal with the devil. Due to a confidential search agreement, the DuckDuckGo browser does not block all Microsoft trackers. What’s worse, DuckDuckGo only acknowledged this “privacy hole” after it was discovered by a security researcher.

As you may know, DuckDuckGo pulls its search results from other services, primarily Bing. You may also know that clicking a Microsoft-provided ad in DuckDuckGo will reveal your IP address to the Microsoft Advertising service—this is explicitly stated on DuckDuckGo’s website and in the company’s search engine.

But this partnership goes a bit deeper than we thought. Security researcher @thezedwards found that the mobile DuckDuckGo browser does not block Microsoft trackers on third-party websites, such as the Facebook-owned Workplace.com....

Gabriel Weinberg says that DuckDuckGo is “working tirelessly behind the scenes” to improve its deal with Microsoft. Additionally, he expects DuckDuckGo to “include more third-party Microsoft protection” in a future update.

Yeah, that’s great. But why are we only hearing about this now? We’ve all seen the ads and billboards—privacy and transparency are the biggest features in DuckDuckGo’s browser. Oh, but Microsoft gets an exception, and users aren’t allowed to know about it?" - Andrew Heinzman, ReviewGeek

The lack of transparency, the deliberate misdirection, and the omission of truth in Duckduckgo's advertising and pretense of concern for your privacy are outrageous and egregious. They are deserving of contempt.

So, if you ask me which search engine you should use to ensure your privacy, I'll refer you to this article: "10 Privacy Oriented Alternative Search Engines To Google"...just disregard the first on their list.

 

Sources:

https://www.engadget.com/microsoft-censors-searches-politically-sensitive-chinese-names-060509232.html

https://www.reviewgeek.com/118915/duckduckgo-isnt-as-private-as-you-thought/

https://itsfoss.com/privacy-search-engines/

 

71,039 views 19 replies
Reply #1 Top

As a Massive Cynic always, i have never really believed all the crap posted about this app or this OS etc.. We all live and operate in a Digital world were almost everyone , be that a company spokesman, or the next best thing we can not live without, turns out to be either Lies, Part Lies, or even part truths. We are Lied too on a regular basis from the likes of MS, Apple etc..

I never jump into something before doing my own bit of research, yes there will always be peeps who jump in head first and later find , this or that is not what was expected, we have no control over that, but we as a forum always try to share tricks, tips and better ways of working within A Liars Market. Just as well there will always be peeps who push back, Make Good, Adapt and release things to help.

Reply #2 Top

Disappointed in DuckDuckGo, to say the least.  Switching to Brave's integrated search for now.

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Reply #3 Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 2

Disappointed in DuckDuckGo, to say the least.  Switching to Brave's integrated search for now.
End of Daiwa's quote

Precisely what I did. I use brave search on my phone and now on my laptop, as well.

Reply #4 Top

Shame is, DuckDuckGo's browser for iOS is really nice & has been my default there for some time.  Fortunately, Brave for iOS is quite nice as well.

Reply #5 Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 4

Shame is, DuckDuckGo's browser for iOS is really nice & has been my default there for some time.  Fortunately, Brave for iOS is quite nice as well.
End of Daiwa's quote

If one has to choose between appearance and privacy, for me the latter is preferable. Luckily, Brave isn't ugly.

Reply #6 Top

Quoting operator33, reply 7

there is no privacy or anonymity unless you unplug and don't use the internet or smartphone

there is nothing for free or free of charge everything is paid by data also with other allegedly private or anonymous offers
End of operator33's quote

Actually, Brave uses its own .onion network, like tor browser. That's pretty much as private as you'll get.

Reply #7 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 8


Quoting operator33,

there is no privacy or anonymity unless you unplug and don't use the internet or smartphone

there is nothing for free or free of charge everything is paid by data also with other allegedly private or anonymous offers



Actually, Brave uses its own .onion network, like tor browser. That's pretty much as private as you'll get.

End of DrJBHL's quote

Thought Brave was Chromium Based Browser Doc.

Reply #8 Top

I had been hoping DDG was working on a full-fledged PC browser for some time.  Now, not so much.  Brave appears to be about as 'private' as you can currently get.

Reply #9 Top

Quoting naroon1, reply 8


Quoting DrJBHL,






Quoting operator33,



there is no privacy or anonymity unless you unplug and don't use the internet or smartphone

there is nothing for free or free of charge everything is paid by data also with other allegedly private or anonymous offers



Actually, Brave uses its own .onion network, like tor browser. That's pretty much as private as you'll get.



Thought Brave was Chromium Based Browser Doc.

End of naroon1's quote

It is. So is Tor. The .onion is a network

 

Reply #10 Top

1) https://brave.com/new-onion-service/

2) Brave is a Chromium based browser.

"Developed by Brave Software, Inc., Brave is based on Chromium, a Google-sponsored free and open-source web browser. This is the same technology Google uses for its Chrome browser and Microsoft for Edge. Chromium is also the brains behind lesser-used browsers, including Amazon Silk, Opera, Vivaldi, and many more." - https://www.groovypost.com/explainer/what-is-brave-browser-and-what-makes-it-unique/

Reply #11 Top

I've been using a VPN for so long it sometimes slips my mind in these discussions.  Regardless of browser, a VPN is highly advisable, if not mandatory for maximal security.  They are not expensive.  My preferred at present is NordVPN.  I wouldn't trust a free one.

Reply #12 Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 15

I wouldn't trust a free one.
End of Daiwa's quote

Correctly so.

Reply #13 Top

Quoting operator33, reply 17

If your personal safety depends on remaining anonymous, we highly recommend using Tor Browser instead of Brave Tor windows.
End of operator33's quote

I think my personal safety is ok with Brave + vpn...I don't visit websites which would be problematic to my safety. True, Tor browser gives the best privacy, but is also a magnet for the folks who might ask, "Why does he need to use Tor browser?".