Multiplayer Discussion

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Hey All!

Making a thread to post aggregate MP feedback & discussion, please share your thoughts!

MP is coming along OK.  I was disappointed with the playability of MP in GC3 and was pleased to hear that it would be implemented sooner and a more core dev goal for GC4.  Since covid I've been doing a LOT more MP games generally and MP is now a much greater 'must have' for me than in the past.  So this is to say that I want to see MP be everything that it can be, and I'm happy the team is working on this.

My thoughts thus far:

  1. First of all, MP is FUN!!!  GC4 is a great game to dink around playing with a friend.  Much like a long tabletop board game would be.
  2. Stability is an issue.  I posted quite a few debug.err's on the discord siterep81 thread.  The stability is bad enough that we can't really get out of the early game.  Clearly there are some issues that need addressing.
  3. Game modes:  Schism mentioned that Derek could answer for the various game modes being implemented.  While the 3 so far seem fun, and like game modes that are just dandy and all; they seem like offshoots of a core MP game type that is not available.  It's like visiting a bunch of suburbs without a city in the middle.
    1. MP NEEDS a default 'Free For All' game mode, which is just like the single-player experience but with more than one player.
    2. Multi-headed Juggernaut may I suggest this as an additional game mode (this name seems cool but I just made it up, it could be called anything really)?  Way back in the day there was a Magic the Gathering group game mode called "double headed ogre" where a team of two players would share resources between them and compete against other teams of two players.  I think something similar for GC4 would be a ton of fun.  You could select teams of 2, 3, 4, etc players that would compete against other same-sized teams.  Depending upon how much effort anyone wants to put into this game type there could be several unique possibilities with this format (but wouldn't need to be, just sharing vision and being on the same team would be great too!).
      1. Resource Sharing.  Resources could be shared to varying degrees.  A straightforward way of doing this would be to allow for resource pooling.  Either automatically or allowing there to be a 'pool' that a player can throw their resources into that's available to everyone on their team.  The code for something like this would probably be similar to the bazaar.
      2. Share vision automatically.  duh
      3. Share techs automatically. duh also. (maybe just implement a UI that says what team-members are researching so you don't automatically double-up).  A bad researching race could even just not research at all and feed their points to another player.
      4. Diplomacy.  Allow one team-member to be good at diplomacy and speak/negotiate on behalf of the others
      5. Proxy Wars?  Maybe the entire team wouldn't need to go to war with an entire other team, just single members.
      6. etc. There are some cool possibilities here.  It would definitely be fun to see which amalgams of races tend to be strongest.
  4. My lovely friend Seilore suggested in the siterep81 discord thread that for human MP team games not accidentally doubling up on tech research and auto-trading it would be a nice feature.  I agree.
  5. The single player game allows for faction customization (ie moving the 'points around' between the various attributes).  This should also be available for MP (along with custom races).  It's unclear to me whether this just isn't in /yet/ or isn't intended to be at all.  But this all should be available.
  6. Oh yes.  In the MP menu you cannot see what special abilities races have.  You should be able to see these..
  7. Spawning, changing ownership, giving, etc ships causes a LOT of desyncing..

I'll edit-in further thoughts as time goes on maybe.  But wanted to get a MP thread up.  It's fun so far, stability is a serious issue though.  Glad to see it in the beta!!

cheers

-tid242

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Reply #1 from GalCiv4 Forums Top

Good post, tid242.

A friend and I played about 4 hours of a MP game on my LAN last Monday. We had at least 3 disconnects and two crashes with a pop-up window.

We don't like to play the three modes. We are asking for the standard sandbox game, similar to a solo game, where you pick your victory conditions.

DG

Reply #2 from GalCiv4 Forums Top

I have waited a long time for MP to be implemented in the GC4 beta.  I had assumed that it would be similar to MP in GC3. I am not pleased with the available game type modes in MP games .

I began a game with 2 humans and 4 AI players. I picked Agenda as game type. I picked Starburst - 5 sectors as galaxy type.

In my starting sector, the other human is only halfway across the sector from me. In addition, there are at least two other AI players in this sector. So out of six races playing, at least 4 are in my sector.

My victory condition is 'Capture 5 Precursor Worlds'. This is totally unreasonable as, after building up my empire with 4 core worlds and some colonies, I am totally boxed in by the other human and the AI players. I have found not even one Precursor World.

All my friend and I wish to do, is play MP against a picked number of AI players, with typical galaxy setup choices and multiple choices for victory conditions, including Prestige points.

We have played GC3 MP this way for years. Could you please implement this style of MP play, in the GC4 beta? Otherwise we will have to drop playing the GC4 beta in MP mode, and go back to GC3 MP.

Otherwise, we love how this game is shaping up.

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Reply #3 from GalCiv4 Forums Top

Quoting dg551, reply 2

All my friend and I wish to do, is play MP against a picked number of AI players, with typical galaxy setup choices and multiple choices for victory conditions, including Prestige points.

Otherwise, we love how this game is shaping up.

Agreed, a normal Free For All mode is definitely needed.

One further note on the available game modes.  Diplomacy is a HUGE mechanic in the GC franchise, IV included.  One of the issues with the available game modes is that they pretty much eliminate diplomacy from the game.  The survival-type mode has every AI automatically at war with every human.  So if you want to play a race that's good at diplomacy, that race actually just flat-out sucks at this game mode.  Similarly all of the events that involve diplomacy or diplomacy bonuses aren't worth doing.

I think our next game will be the above that dg551 described where it's just objective-based.  Maybe there is actually diplomacy in that mode, and one can play the AI's off of each other?

I'm guessing that if there were a standard FFA game-mode, 98% of games would be chosen to be this type.

 

But def, agree that the game is shaping up to be fun!

Reply #4 from GalCiv4 Forums Top

I appreciate the feedback.

We will add sandbox mode for MP in the next update.

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Reply #5 from GalCiv4 Forums Top

Quoting DerekPaxton, reply 4

I appreciate the feedback.

We will add sandbox mode for MP in the next update.

That's fab, It'll be much appreciated!

Thanks Derek,

Reply #6 from GalCiv4 Forums Top

Good news, thanks, Derek!

Reply #7 from GalCiv4 Forums Top

I am also happy about the news to add standard sandbox.