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Reserved post.

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Nice dialog: Lord Kona asked me to join his pirate hunt! :-)

- I assigned a governour. He got -20 loyalty "I have to manage things". Game did not tell anything (character traits or whatever) that this would or could happen.
- Precursor Nanites is a Manufacturing Improvement but it does not level up if you place Manufacturing stuff next to it. It should either get another category or it should level up.
- Merit does not reduce the recruitment cost of leaders.
- Where are the racial abilities of my own civ? How good are my current skills in persuasion, deception and intimidation?
- How many of my people are with the Warforged? How many are opportunistic?

Edit: Game Pacing and Research Pacing should be global multipliers but they are added to all other multipliers. This way early game is pacing faster/slower but the effect on mid and late game is not much.
Implementing global multipliers could be useful in other regards too. You could buff the importance of governours or relics for example.

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some problems"

1. the distribution of civilization by sector is very bad. In the new version, it always fell with another 3, despite having larger empty sectors.

2. My main leader, after a while, gets almost every turn gifting me with gold and control points.

3. most plants are tiny or small.

4. Adverse civilizations are not making the bases to mine, or, take the relics.
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Apologies it took so long to write up 0.60.208431a. I like to get deep into playthroughs to better appreciate mechanics and bugs. Turn 481, Slowest everything, Arm with largest sectors, 16 AI opponents, max separation.

 

Bug – Early in two playthroughs, about 4-5 worlds owned, my influence in my starting sector suddenly increased to span most of the sector. Later, after saving and reloading, the influence returned to normal, resulting in worlds that were in my sphere suddenly being in an AI opponent’s sphere and rebelling. This bug did not repeat after reloading.

 

Bug – About 400 turns in, my game began to hang when processing AI opponent turns, specifically unidentified opponent 11. This was similar to the hang in the last version. However, this time, hitting ‘esc’ and selecting resume caused the game to continue processing and advance to the new turn. This hang did not happen every turn, just the ones where player 11 showed up.

 

Bug – Prestige is broken. In the previous version, I won a prestige victory after only meeting 3 opponents around turn 200. In the first game I played on 0.6, I suffered a prestige defeat when I’d only met 2 opponents around turn 250. No warning. Just defeat. In my current play through, I turned Prestige off.

 

I just played my first game of Humankind. Their prestige victory condition, total points by a set turn count, works much better, and I can always check current standing even with opponents I have not met.

 

Bug? – The AI is still having issues, I think. I played my current game on Gifted because Normal was just too easy. Even so, it’s still easy. The AI didn’t really start spamming colony ships until later in the game. The AI in my sector didn’t start spamming them until I settled worlds near their territory. By then, I already had about 75% of the sector settled.

 

Bug? – At turn 481, I have 31 core worlds and 191 colonies. One of my core worlds and 5 of my colonies are those Class 77 worlds. These are ridiculously overpowered. Just the one 77 core world is providing 114.5 food. Increasing my core world populations and settling new worlds is so easy I barely pay attention to my food supply.

 

Mechanic – Please stop the pop-up spam. I didn’t really notice this until I had 26 core worlds and a couple dozen survey ships set to automatic. In GC3, turns were long so the pop-ups (apparently) weren’t as noticeable. Now, with turns moving faster, they are VERY noticeable and irritating.

 

If all a pop-up is doing is informing, please don’t have players have to click “ok” or otherwise acknowledge the pop-up. Just tell us and move on, or put the info in the slider on the left. The only pop-ups we should have to acknowledge are ones that require a decision.

 

Mechanic – Speaking of pop-ups, please make it so no pop-up “locks” the screen, meaning you have to answer the pop-up before being able to do anything else.

 

Mechanic – Okay, so I’m getting used to the mechanic behind ideology. I like that you have to select one side or the other, and choosing the opposite decreases the player’s standing. What is still missing is actually getting culture points. We either need more decision points to give culture points (not just a few improvements or a couple early missions), or we need a mechanism like GC3 where improvements can give points over time. Locking an improvement to an ideology over time, with only one side available, could make for a good game mechanic.

 

Mechanic – Vital resources like Tetrapod Hives should be available from colonies without having to make a core world. If the resource is on a “3” planet, and a star system has a “12” planet, I should be able to build something on the “12” core world that lets me harvest that resource.

 

Mechanic – Speaking of colonies, the current mechanic of a single improvement of a random type isn’t really adding anything to the game for me. Mostly, I ignore this. Suggest either removing it, or giving us better options for improvements (like mining a vital resource).

 

Mechanic – I need to see which planets are defended on the map regardless of zoom level. Having to constantly scroll in and out is really annoying.

 

Mechanic – Colony rush. Yup. Still there. Longer as I’m still settling worlds at turn 481, but except for early game and early food supply, I found almost no impediment to spamming colony ships. Especially true with that 77 core world with 114 food I mentioned above. The free colony ship interval of 5 turns between use spending 20 Control Points should be increased to 10-20 turns between use or cost more Control Points.

 

Mechanic – It would be helpful if open border treaties did not expire but had to be revoked. It’s a pain to constantly have to keep track of this.

 

Mechanic – Why, when I am allied to another player, do non-aggression pacts expire? Also, shouldn’t allies share visibility?

 

Mechanic – Is it possible to get a game mechanic that improves the quality of leaders? I hit a dry spell where every leader was crap. Maybe shorten the time for the “Invite Leaders” Control Points option.

 

Mechanic – Civilization Policy gave me 2 options at the beginning. At turn 481, I still have not unlocked any others. I also don’t really understand the link between them and ideology at a game mechanic level.

 

Mechanic – Commanders still need work. Yes, I have used the ships available for planets or to form fleets. As currently implemented, though, not enough ships (like the Galactic Bazaar in GC3) or enough planetary effects (like the ships we got from government type in GC3). Additionally, I want commanders to actually mean something, to have a more dynamic effect on combat than just a few perks that (so far) haven’t really meant anything for my gameplay. I want a “feared” commander, and maybe some chumps would be interesting too. Like a commander who retreats from a battle and has to be relieved, or another who charges in with high casualties, so gets the job done but loses more ships. Keep him or relieve him? The choice is yours.

 

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- Creating a new rally point: character lore appears at the left side of the screen
- Tech reshuffle: xeno entertainment has a blue icon. No blue icon at reshuffle
- Corporate Sector command ship does not provide +20% income while in orbit
- We can quick save but not quick load. Please add a shortcut to load last quick save
- I want to reassign a diplomat as a governor. First I need to fire him (-10 loyalty unassigned). Second I assign him as governor (-20 has to manage things)
- Control relic does not give +1 control (xeno archeology lab has been built and I checked control at end of turn and start of next turn)

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I noticed that ship didn't improve the economy either.

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"Free trade" policy does not apply + 25% trade value (I ended a round, no difference)

A big wish for 0.65: a list of things that are only implemented visually.

There are so many things that don't work (ideologies, technologies, politics). I don't think these are bugs. Some may, but not all.
I suspect that you implement the graphics / text in one task and the logic in another task later.
It might be transparent to internal Stardockian testers, but alpha / beta players don't know what can't work because it's only been implemented visually.

Just an idea for future Alpha / Betas (no wish for GalCiv4 Alpha / Beta because too late): Mark things without implementation with a red flag

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Colony upgrades: it feels unsatisfying to be blocked to build a second colony upgrade after the first one
Fleet sort by attack: UI constantly forgets the sort setting

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Penultipox: I rushed the wonder. Nothing happened (next turns neither).
Galactic Achievements that put you in war against everybody. I would like if those events were changed to: all others declare war against the player and allies. Think about traders ;)

Edit: I am continueing my 0.60 game to see more of the late game. 0.65 late game would be better, but... ;)

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Is this still the case? You have to chose between mining a resource and improving approval for instance?

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Quoting Tue, reply 12

Is this still the case? You have to chose between mining a resource and improving approval for instance?

As of the .65 alpha (released under the test branch) all star bases mine resources. No more mining rings.

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Quoting Publius, reply 13


Quoting Tue,

Is this still the case? You have to chose between mining a resource and improving approval for instance?



As of the .65 alpha (released under the test branch) all star bases mine resources. No more mining rings.

I know :) I was referring to colony upgrades - are communication satellites mutually exclusive with mining a resource on the colony for instance - but may have misunderstood the original posters meaning

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- You got my meaning. I would rather like to build more than one upgrade if I got enough nanobots.

- Are minor civilizations invadable? I have done their quest already. I cannot attack them and in the dialogue I can only change the reward.

If they are not: I suggest to add an information to their tooltip. I already got two very powerful military stations next to their doorstep ... :D

- Free trade does not apply +25% to trade

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Quoting Commander4X, reply 15

- Are minor civilizations invadable? I have done their quest already. I cannot attack them and in the dialogue I can only change the reward.

If they are not: I suggest to add an information to their tooltip. I already got two very powerful military stations next to their doorstep ... :D

When you complete their quest, you become allies.  Otherwise, you can invade all you want.

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