Start11 RC3 Issue Report Thread

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With the Start11 RC3 release, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining Start11 RC3

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Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and links included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that Groupy does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 RC3 Changelog

I have left the internal update date included as, frankly, there is a lot here and helps break it up...
 
10/26/2021
Note: Users who were prompted for RC3 (0.93 on the About tab) on 10/25/2021 will be prompted again for this release, RC 3.1 (0.94).
  • Fixed issue with menu not always positioning correctly when switching between displays of different dpis especially in a stacked configuration
  • Fixed issue with taskbar losing system tray icons on occasion on Win11
  • Implemented tweaks to config UI for making settings more obvious
  • Fixed message box when clicking on one control in the UI
  • Changes : Fixed issue with moving an item back to a previous page in Win11 menu showing error prompt instead of moving the itemAdded in option to move items to next and previous page in Win10 menu, previously only offered moving entire groups
  • Fixed issue with negative window coordinates causing menu to not open or open in the wrong place sometimes
  • Disabled sliding animations on contents of Win10 menu when opening it
  • Fixed issue with switching between displays with different dpis causing Win10 left hand list to repaint incorrectly until mouseover
  • Fixed issue with not closing folders in treeview list and resetting scrolling to the top of the list when you close the menu
  • Disabled experimental tile loading support for Win10 menu as enabled by default in error. This can be enabled via a registry key if you wish
  • Fixed Win10/11 and Win7/Modern menus refreshing contents more often than needed when recent apps are not shown on them
  • Fixed issue with tooltips not always showing on items in Win10 list when in smallest tile size (or when using a custom tile image)
  • Requested installer tweak to fix universal applications expanding menu being blank in some installs
  • Fixed issue with universal apps folder being called Modern UI Applications still on English installs
  • Filtered out Microsoft edge from Universal apps list as defective leftover link in OS
  • Fixed issue with characters which sort before 'a' breaking filter list for Win10/11 style all apps list
  • Improved issue with flicker of menu on screen below active screen (in stacked config) at end of animation
  • Fixed issue with winkey always opening menu on primary display
10/25/2021
  • Updated the following languages:
    • German
    • French
    • Russian
    • Portuguese - Brazil
    • Korean
    • Spanish
    • Chinese - Simplified
    • Chinese -Traditional
  • Fixed issue with Win10 style menu when in hide apps mode not scaling apps / tiles switching bar when changing scale mode
  • Enlarged page switcher bar and increased hotspot size considerably to make clicking on them easier
  • Made it so swipes left / right on precision touchpad act as change page in menus (when the mouse is over the list) or back when in all apps list on Win11 style.
  • Made it so horz wheel mice act as change page in menus
  • Fixed issue with menu style picker at 125% scaling being clipped
  • Fixed issue with app shortcuts not repainting in Win7 style mode after returning from a search
  • Fixed issue with Win10 style all programs list in Win7 style mode painting text as white always
  • Limited max-width of jumplists in menus to ensure menu widths remain sane (Vivaldi browser)
  • Fixed issue with pinning items from Win10 style all programs list when using Win7/Modern style
  • Added prompt about Win10 taskbar left or center-aligned on first run
  • Tweaked config preview to show centered start button when enabled on Win10
  • Added UNINSTALLFULL command line to Start11Config to reset Win11 on top taskbar and taskbar size settings
  • Fixed clicking on color option in menu instead of opening the submenu would open the submenu and then close the entire menu
  • Adjusted sorting of Chinese apps in Win10/11 all apps list
  • Fixed tooltips showing when text already fitted correctly on screen so were redundant
  • Fixed swapping from Win10 fullscreen to Win11 fullscreen resulted in shifting down of menu items incorrectly
  • Fixed auto-hide taskbar + fullscreen mode Win10/11 menus shifting offscreen
  • Disabled dragging to start button to pin items for Win10/11 menus as they did not support this. You can add things for those via right-click menus easier.
  • Fixed pin to Start11 menu option when in Search so it doesn't detect the pin state for Win7 menu when in Win10/11 style.
  • Fixed issue with some universal apps loading up smaller icons than ideal
  • Automatically imports Win11 start menu pinned items on first run (system thats not run prior Start11 versions only) to Win10 and 11 menus
  • Tweaked search folders to be aware of OneDrive
  • Fixed not being able to drag items from all apps in Win10 mode having switched to hide all apps and then back again
  • Fixed dragging outside of list in Win 10 mode not canceling drag correctly and acting as a drop operation
  • Fixed issue with Win10 style pinning always inserting at the start of the list rather than the very end
  • *** Added experimental option for loading up Win10 tile images. Enabled via registry only adding HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8\LoadTiles=1 and signing out and in again.
10/22/2021
  • Altered config UI to make taskbar + start button centre options a combo box choice on Win10
  • Added taskbar and start button center options to start button page on Win10
  • Fixed text on "Control what right-clicking on the taskbar does" section on Win10 to not reference Win11
  • Added option for hiding search box in Win11 mode unless in search mode
  • Adjusted US English translation file to say have Center vs Centre now it is using those files
  • Fixed issue with swapped mouse buttons and clicking sometimes
  • Fixed first right-click menu animation being skipped on some machines
  • Tweak to critical section allocations
  • Fixed Win7/Modern style left side being blank if you switched from Win10 style with hide all apps list enabled
  • Fixed all programs being blank on open sometimes when in Win10 mode
  • Fixed an issue with touch on multiple monitors where the start menu would open on the monitor where the mouse was located rather than where the touch input was
10/20/2021
  • Fixed issue with recent docs in Win11 menu with long filenames causing wrapping clipping issue
  • Fixed issue with all apps letter search going to the wrong location sometimes when clicked
  • Fixed issue with all apps letter search being able to scroll too far down
  • Fixed issue pressing escape whilst dragging items on menus (Win10/11 styles)
  • Moved Win11 substyles to drop-down box on first screen
  • Fixed issue with loss of focus causing the menu to stop accepting input until it is reopened if dragging was interrupted somehow
  • Fixed issue with dragging Win11 groups sometimes showing an insertion locations saying "Click here to name group"
  • Fixed issue with clicking outside an item and then dragging over an item causing that item to launch
  • Added in the translation files
10/19/2021
  • Added option for sub groups on Win11 style menu. The originally created group on the first page cannot be deleted regardless of where you have repositioned it however.
  • Fixed issue with resizing Win11 menu when menu scaling was not set at 100% causing hang of menu
  • Fixed issue with resizing Win11 menu when menu scaling causing a sizing issue on the borders not being resized
  • Sub groups have icon size picker so you can have sub-lists with different icon sizes
  • Added option to hide labels on groups in Win11 mode via right-click menu
  • Added CTRL + LEFT arrow and CTRL + RIGHT arrow to swap pages in page menus
  • Fixed Win10/11 menu losing background texture on resize
10/18/2021
  • MS Precision touchpad scrolling should work in the menus now
  • Fixed issue with closing menu when desktop icons were hidden and have mixed dpi and screen res setup
  • Added option to center the start button on Win10 like offered on Windows 11
  • Added in offset only if centered start button for Win10
  • Fixed issue with config showing rounded corners on by default for Windows10 when it was turned off
  • Fixed issue with center taskbar not always working on all monitors on Windows 10
  • Implemented smoother scrolling for non high precision wheel mice in lists
  • Right-click menus on Win11 menu shows highlight clearer
  • Added right click option to pin any file to Win10/11 menus
  • Added right-click option to pin any folder to Win10/11 menus
  • Visual tweak to right-click menus in Win10/11 menus to better space things and add shadows
  • Tweaked down arrow on drop downs on start menu page in settings to be bolder and larger as users missing them
  • Fixed issue where you could resize things so you had no scrollbar but were scrolled down and couldn't scroll back up
  • Win11 menu on close if in all apps list will no longer animate back to the previous page
  • Added compact mode to Win11 menu where border sizes are smaller
  • Added pin to taskbar option from right-click menus in Win10/11 menus
  • Added Win10 compact mode where apps list is hidden
  • Modified Win10 menu sizing to always size to a multiple of the grid size and allow sizing down to no columns
  • Fixed some broken settings icons on Win11 in search
  • Fixed animations for entering and leaving all apps on Win11 menu to be the correct direction
  • Added animations to right-click menus in Win10/11 menus
  • Added option to pick a custom color from a color picker for Win10 tiles if wanted
  • Added option for going to all apps by default (if showing all apps as separate section in Win10) or anytime for Win11
  • Fixed issue with pinning new items on Win10/11 menus not respecting icon size until later
  • Now allows Win10 groups to be rearranged leaving gaps between groups. If the group would not fit on screen then will be placed in left-most column
  • Start button image replacement defaults to off on Windows 11
  • Fixed issue with pressing down arrow not wrapping to top of the menu when menu first opened
  • Tweaked Win10 style margins to ensure lists fill the space fully
  • Fixed search for pictures showing results from the entire search library instead
  • Adjusted default width for Win11 menu as was too wide
  • Fixed issue with mouseover selection remaining on items in lists after you right-click on them
  • Enabled translation support in the config UI
  • Fixed issue where open location option was missing from right-click on some pinned items on Win10/11 menus
  • Changes to how Start11 starts up which should sidestep those game anti-cheat app issues
10/14/2021
  • Adds fix for MS precision scrolling
  • Centered start button on Win10
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Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top

Known issues

TBD

ObjectDock - Access shortcuts and frequently used applications from an animated dock.
Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

***Reserved***

10/26/2021

Build updated to 0.94 - users will be prompted to update.

10/28/2021

With the release of RC4 (0.95), we are closing this thread.

Thanks to all that installed and provided vital feedback.

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

Huge list of added features and fixes, everything working perfectly this end.

Very grateful for this functionality having been added:

  • Modified Win10 menu sizing to always size to a multiple of the grid size and allow sizing down to no columns

No longer have disappearing task bar icons either. Great release, thanks for all the work! :congrat:  

 

Unfortunately after some time disappearing task bar icons, that redraw when you mouse over appear to still be happening. I don't lock/unlock my PC and haven't noticed any correlation with when it occurs. 

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Wanted to document some of my carry-over issues from RC2 still present in RC3:

  1. Universal Applications (Quick access side shortcut) menu is empty (Grid Modern Style)
  2. Task tray icons disappearing after being away from computer and unlocking (hovering over with mouse causes them to re-draw)
  3. Frequently used apps section (below pinned apps section) not updating with new apps (Grid Modern Style)
  4. Feature Request: Word wrap for Icon labels (Grid Modern Style)
Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Start 11 on Windows 10 version 21h1 OS Build 19043.1288

This has been an issue with each beta of Start 11, including today's update 0.93. If I purge Start 11 with the purge_start11.bat file, then install any start 11 version, I can get the taskbar icons centered on the task bar. However, after the computer is restarted, the taskbar icons revert to the left side position. This includes restarting the computer directly after installing each version on top of the previous version. Once this happens, there is no way to re-center the icons. Trying to change their position with the configuration utility fails over and over again. Purging and reinstalling works. But, then I must re-configure Start 11 all over again. Is this only a problem for me? A separate Center Taskbar utility, that I found on github, works flawlessly. But, with this supposedly built into Start 11, I ought not have to depend on yet another application in order to center the taskbar icons........

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

- System tray icons still disappearing with "custom start button image" turned off.

- Still a problem with Battlefield V/1, when you run or aim it stops all of a sudden, works fine without Start11 installed.

- Start menu not opening sometimes when you click the start button.

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

I am not seeing a move "tiles to next page" option when using Win10 theme. The option is still present with Win11 theme and can move items to next page. But when I try to move items to previous page an error saying can not find "movepreitem11" pops up

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Two finger mouse scrolling works! Thank you! Thank you! This product makes Windows 11 livable! I will recommend to everyone I know! (I know the thread is for bugs.. but you guys deserve some love!)

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Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

I have a 3 monitor setup. The monitors are numbered by Windows as 1:3:2. Monitor 3 is my main monitor and has the Start button centered in a taskbar at the bottom. When I click the Start button, it loads the Start Menu in the center of Monitor 2. I have included an image below containing part of Monitor 3 and Monitor 2 to demonstrate this.

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  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
    • Edition Windows 11 Pro Insider Preview
    • Version Dev
    • Installed on ‎10/‎23/‎2021
    • OS build 22483.1011
    • Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22483.1011.0
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
    • Just left click on Start Button
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and links included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  •  
Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

On the Windows 10 Style start menu, folders in the program/app list remain collapsed even after closing the start menu and reopening it. For example, when I scroll down to the Windows Accessories folder and open/collapse it, I would expect the folder to be closed the next time I open the start menu. Instead, when I open the start menu again and scroll to the Windows Accessories folder, the folder is already collapsed and I can see everything inside of it.

Is this by design?

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

 

Bonjour,

Sous windows 11 pro build 22000.282 - start 11 rc 3 - style windows 10 - Lors survol avec la fleche de la souris, des icones épinglées le texte n apparait pas sur toutes les icones

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

Edition Windows 11 Home

Version 21H2 (OS build 22000.282)

Start11 version 0.93, Windows 10 Style

Issue:

As reported previously, the start menu pop-up when using the mouse to click the start button will still often times automatically close itself. It takes a couple of tries to have the start menu pop-up stay open. Same thing on fresh reboots. Below is a gif demonstration of the issue. 

https://gyazo.com/b2c1bcf0f2e84746d9c7fc651264946c

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

Using Start11 version 0.93 on Windows 11 Home.

 

Issue:

On a clean desktop nothing happens when clicking on the start button (regardless of menu style).

If I open another program window - it suddenly works. Closing the open program window and it doesn't anymore. I can open the start menu by pressing the windows key and I can access the windows start menu with Ctrl+Click.

It worked fine in previous beta versions.

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Mike3947, reply 7

- System tray icons still disappearing with "custom start button image" turned off.

- Still a problem with Battlefield V/1, when you run or aim it stops all of a sudden, works fine without Start11 installed.

- Start menu not opening sometimes when you click the start button.

With your battlefield issue, does this continue if you set Use the Start11 start menu to off in Start11 settings (on the start menu page).

Also what if you run battlefield in a window?

Finally do you have Start11 search enabled or disabled?

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting dctrbnsttr, reply 6

Start 11 on Windows 10 version 21h1 OS Build 19043.1288

This has been an issue with each beta of Start 11, including today's update 0.93. If I purge Start 11 with the purge_start11.bat file, then install any start 11 version, I can get the taskbar icons centered on the task bar. However, after the computer is restarted, the taskbar icons revert to the left side position. This includes restarting the computer directly after installing each version on top of the previous version. Once this happens, there is no way to re-center the icons. Trying to change their position with the configuration utility fails over and over again. Purging and reinstalling works. But, then I must re-configure Start 11 all over again. Is this only a problem for me? A separate Center Taskbar utility, that I found on github, works flawlessly. But, with this supposedly built into Start 11, I ought not have to depend on yet another application in order to center the taskbar icons........

I assume you are not using anything else to alter your button positions as that would cause a conflict?

Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top

Like some others have pointed out, on .93 my start menu also doesn't open when clicking, but does when pressing the Windows button. Thought it was a corrupted install or something but I reinstalled a couple times to no avail

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Kamology, reply 17

Like some others have pointed out, on .93 my start menu also doesn't open when clicking, but does when pressing the Windows button. Thought it was a corrupted install or something but I reinstalled a couple times to no avail

What is your monitor configuration?

Do you have a secondary monitor to the left of the primary?

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 18


Quoting Kamology,
reply 17

Like some others have pointed out, on .93 my start menu also doesn't open when clicking, but does when pressing the Windows button. Thought it was a corrupted install or something but I reinstalled a couple times to no avail



What is your monitor configuration?

Do you have a secondary monitor to the left of the primary?


I do indeed, 1 ultrawide primary and a flipped portrait secondary to the left. Taskbar only on primary monitor

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Kamology, reply 19


Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 18






Quoting Kamology,

reply 17


Like some others have pointed out, on .93 my start menu also doesn't open when clicking, but does when pressing the Windows button. Thought it was a corrupted install or something but I reinstalled a couple times to no avail



What is your monitor configuration?

Do you have a secondary monitor to the left of the primary?




I do indeed, 1 ultrawide primary and a flipped portrait secondary to the left. Taskbar only on primary monitor

Thats good then as we have sorted that internally for an update later today.

Sorry about the problem.

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting gabelou, reply 12

 

Bonjour,

Sous windows 11 pro build 22000.282 - start 11 rc 3 - style windows 10 - Lors survol avec la fleche de la souris, des icones épinglées le texte n apparait pas sur toutes les icones

Thank you for the report.  There is an issue with short text not showing a tooltip correctly.

This has been resolved internally for the next update.

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting shogran, reply 4

Huge list of added features and fixes, everything working perfectly this end.

Very grateful for this functionality having been added:

 

    • Modified Win10 menu sizing to always size to a multiple of the grid size and allow sizing down to no columns

 


No longer have disappearing task bar icons either. Great release, thanks for all the work! :congrat:  

 

Unfortunately after some time disappearing task bar icons, that redraw when you mouse over appear to still be happening. I don't lock/unlock my PC and haven't noticed any correlation with when it occurs. 

Are you using a custom start button (and if so which one) and are your buttons centred or left aligned?

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting BK11, reply 5

Wanted to document some of my carry-over issues from RC2 still present in RC3:

 

    1. Universal Applications (Quick access side shortcut) menu is empty (Grid Modern Style)

 

    1. Task tray icons disappearing after being away from computer and unlocking (hovering over with mouse causes them to re-draw)

 

    1. Frequently used apps section (below pinned apps section) not updating with new apps (Grid Modern Style)

 

    1. Feature Request: Word wrap for Icon labels (Grid Modern Style)

 


Do you have a custom start button image and if so which one and if not are you left aligned or centred taskbar buttons?

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 16


Quoting dctrbnsttr,
reply 6

Start 11 on Windows 10 version 21h1 OS Build 19043.1288

This has been an issue with each beta of Start 11, including today's update 0.93. If I purge Start 11 with the purge_start11.bat file, then install any start 11 version, I can get the taskbar icons centered on the task bar. However, after the computer is restarted, the taskbar icons revert to the left side position. This includes restarting the computer directly after installing each version on top of the previous version. Once this happens, there is no way to re-center the icons. Trying to change their position with the configuration utility fails over and over again. Purging and reinstalling works. But, then I must re-configure Start 11 all over again. Is this only a problem for me? A separate Center Taskbar utility, that I found on github, works flawlessly. But, with this supposedly built into Start 11, I ought not have to depend on yet another application in order to center the taskbar icons........



I assume you are not using anything else to alter your button positions as that would cause a conflict?

Correct. I run other Stardock software.... Curtains, Groupy, Window Fx. But, I would not expect these programs to cause such an issue.

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Just wanted to point out that the start menu issue is not only present when using a multi monitor setup. I turned my secondary monitor off (located to the right) and restarted Windows. Still the same issue when pressing the start button (no start menu appears).

Also, if I display a taskbar on my secondary monitor and press the start button on the secondary screen - the start menu opens.