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How to keep Windows XP stable

How to keep Windows XP stable

Using the task manager to make Windows XP perform better

My work machine stays up for weeks and often months at a time. In fact, the only time it gets rebooted is when our office loses power (which is too frequently, yea I should get a UPS).

People are often shocked at this. How do I keep my system running for so long, especially given how hard I push it day in and day out while running all the major components of Object Desktop? On Windows XP, it's actually pretty easy -- once you know what affects stability.

It all starts with the task manager.  To get to that, hit CTRL-SHIFT-ESC. When you do that, the task manager in Windows XP will come up.

Whenever you have a problem with your system, whether it be acting slow or saying it's out of memory or just acting weird, you'll want to pull up the task manager.

Once you do that, go to the Performance tab.  Check and see how much RAM is in use.  A lot of young techies get obsessed with the amount of memory committed. Don't.  Check to see if your CPU meter is pegged too high, check to make sure you're not using a ridiculous amount of memory (I have 1 gig installed so 419MB in use is no biggie).  But most importantly: Check the handles in use.  This is what slows down your system.

The # of handles in use should never grow much beyond 12,000.  When you get to 15,000 handles, weird things can start to happen and you'll feel your system slow down. This is where most people just reboot. They'll throw up their hands and say "Well, time to reboot." But that's unnecessary because the task manager can tell you what program(s) are using up those handles.

So now click on the processes.  You'll want to go to View->Select Columns and choose the items that are chosen here.  You want to know things like the handle count, the GDI objects, and the User Objects.  If any of those numbers are >2,000 on a given item, that item is doing something bad.

Once you have that set up. Look at the column headers. Sort by the ones I've highlighted in yellow first. Is something using up most of your CPU? Then kill it if it's not supposed to. Is something using more than 2000 handles? If so, you should probably kill that too. Same for User Objects and GDI Objects.

And then finally, sort by memory usage and then VM size. Don't worry too much about those numbers unless you're running low on RAM. The VM Size column isn't terribly useful anyway because it double counts libraries being loaded (i.e. a program that needs to read .PNG files will load a library that uses that but another one that uses the same library will get that counted too. Mem Usage is the one to keep an eye on.  But again, even there, don't sweat that number too much unless it's using a signficant percentage of your installed memory.  Internet Explorer is using 21 megs of RAM. Sounds like a lot right? But that's only 2% of my installed memory.  Back in the old DOS days of 640K 2% would be just over 12K of memory.

CPU, Handles, GDI Objects, User Objects, these are the things to keep an eye on. If you kill processes that are using up an unusual amount of these resources, you can keep your system up indefinitely.

 

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Reply #26 Top
that was very interesting becuase I can't find actual numbers of what each one should be. it gaives you a little and you have to figure out the rest in reading and it's given me headaches trying to understand it and this one was more difficult for me than anything else. so thanks.
Reply #27 Top
I would like to Know if it's the same for Windows 2000?
I have a machine with Windows 2000 Server and Handles total it's around 3.000.000.
Thanks, Isabel
Reply #28 Top
thank you...a great article...i use task manger a lot, but not like this, and this is very useful...i appreciate you taking the time to write it all down...

it's very interesting to see what is using system resources like this...this only thing a have with over 2000 handles is the 'system' process...is that normal? (it has about 2,730)
Reply #29 Top
hey. thanks for that article. i've been trying to figure out why explorer.exe seems to grow like a weed with VM usage. mine starts at some value around 20 megs and then after a day or so the VM size is 135 megs + i have no clue why and can find no info on the net. i did notice (after reading your article) that it has 23,478 handles !!! ha. that's quite a bit more than the 2000 or so limit. again. i have no clue why. aside from explorer.exe i typically use about 100-150 MB of the 384 MB RAM i have. i have the page file set to 999 MB (just picked that randomly. i don't like even numbers). if anyone has any thoughts i would appreciate them. thanks again. also, the computer runs pretty well. i don't notice any major slowdowns. but it is definitely quicker before the explorer.exe VM grows. for now i just occasionally end task explorer.exe and then restart it.

and don't listen to infernoz... he'll have you believe women in short skirts created sexual harrassment.

Reply #30 Top
Hey guys, can anybody tell me what the "SVCHOST.EXE" process is all about? It uses almost 2,000 handles and it has "sub-friends"!

Thanx.
Reply #31 Top
My computer uses 302,218(that's big) handles and it still stays running for days without rebooting.
Reply #33 Top
Tarkus, thanks for the link. Been fretting about just that very thing. Now have more tools and knowledge re:SVCHOST.EXE issues Draginol, thanks for the thread, too!
Reply #34 Top
First of all Thanks for all this info.

on my System when I started reading this and all the comments it was 2,800 NOW as I started typing it is at 3,018 for the handles for CPU , User Objects and GDI Objects are all at 0 (zero)
Memory Usage 240k, VM size 28k...
Now for my question. If I end the process of the System will it stop everything to where I will have to reboot. And how do I restart the system with out rebooting...

But this is just the tip of my problems that I have.
Please help if you can Thanks.

One day my computer runs grate another day it is slow ok, ok its slow everyday just some days its worse.
It will freeze opening a window or program I will go to TM (task Manager) and it dose not like to end process.

And most days when I Boot (start) my computer this one (svchost.exe) takes ALL memory well 97% there is 7 of them running but just one that dose it for about 5 to 6 minutes, if I don’t stop it .
Here is some info on my computer that mite help.

System:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service Pack 2
Computer:
Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 1600MHz 1.59 GHz, 1.00 GB of RAM
Graphics card:
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB
On a Crappie Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion xt948
Other then it being an HP this should be a good fast computer
Now for the Security: I have and use

Advanced Registry Optimizer 1.2.8
Avast! Antivirus Professional 4.7 build: Aug2006 (4.7.871) Xtreme Toolkit 1.9.4.0
CleanUp! 4.5.2
eTrust EZ Firewall 5.1.039.004 I have the rest of the suit just do not use
Lavasoft Ad-Aware SE Professional builds 1.05. Have Ad-Watch SE Professional do not use
MSConfig CleanUp 1.0
Spy Sweeper 2.2.0.44
XoftSpy 4.22

Just these start on start up:
Avast! Antivirus Professional 4.7
eTrust EZ Firewall

If I move any window around it makes a ghost as I move it as though my G card is not good enough for all the graphics but have NO problem with Games... I have an old driver for my G card 6.1.7.7 but the newer one dose not works as well (8.9.??)

Oh and my CPU clocks out at 100% a lot

Please, Please Help me
Reply #35 Top
P.S
and I had to re-install window more the ten times and it lookd like i will have to do it again
this is my first computer i got it 11/11/2001 even sent it back to HP to have it fixed when it was under waranty but all i seen that they did was take off the stickers that they put on it when it was made.. Made me mad that they did that to .

oh and i have upgrated my hard drive from 80GB to 160GB plus Have an 80GB hard drive
C:/ is 160GB Master F:/ is 80GB Slave ( storeage of all the stuff to reinstall with pix , music and download to


Took out C:/ 80GB to replace it with the 160GB why because so tech guy from a computer place told me that it sounds like my hard drive was BAD that is why it was always crashing .. But I found out that it was not true do to it still dose it
and i unpluged F:/ and pluged in the one that came with the computer and reformatted it and it work good well same as it did . so now i have a back up for a back up they just wanted my money but fooled them Best Buy got it $75.00 for 160GB hard drive grate price beings an 80GB was $99.00 plus
Reply #36 Top
Gawd. Or just disable process that are useless for 99% of the people, even power users such as myself. On system boot I only have 22 processes running, and that includes Windowblinds, two instances of Sysmetrix and Trillian. Nice an lite!
Reply #38 Top
Here's a free handy tool for personal use that can be used to tell you what those processes are and whether it's safe to shut it down etc,if link fails goolge for uniblue processlibrary

http://www.processlibrary.com/freetools/
look for "processlibrary.com Quick Access" should be at top and clik on download



EDIT:forgot to mention don't panic it requires internet access to display web page explanation of what the particular process is
Reply #39 Top
Wow just found this, hope someone is still reading this. it's a Great Article, like alot of people, though I use the task manager I didn't think about using the other columns. My biggest question is what's up with the svchost.exe... when XP first came out I would only have about 2 processes running now I have 7 running; 2 in network service and 1 on local service and the rest in system. I just reinstalled my OS, so i know it's anything that's shouldn't be there I guess. On top of all that svchost uses about 1500 handles (that normal?)
Reply #40 Top
Thank you for this informative article. What is funny is I DO use my Task Manager to check on the System, but I really didn't understand what I was doing. But Now I am learning. Thanks
Reply #41 Top
This was a very important find for me, and wanted to thank you for the excellent tip of watching handles. I am involved with developing scores of integrated systems for a specialized application. Several of my customer's systems will run only 3 to 5 days before requiring rebooting. I had attributed the problem to my software, because my software is always the major package running on the system when the system starts producing severe errors. However, after reading your article, there appears to be another culprit.

Discovery: A single program sold with the Netgear USB wireless adaptor that we use on many of our systems (RtlWake.exe) continually racks up handles until the system runs out of resources. The problem is less pronounced on Windows 2000. On one Win2000 system that had been running for a week, the handle count for this software was at about 300,000 and climbing.

SYMPTOMS in WINDOWS 2000:The errors reported on Windows 2000 is: ERROR_RESOURCE_TYPE_NOT_FOUND (Error 1813). When this error occurs, then Windows is completely unable to print the Start menu, and will not allow a regular shutdown (it believes that you don't have enough permission to shutdown).

SYMPTOMS in WINDOWS XP: The handle count issue is MUCH worse in XP (compared to Win2000) as the count grows much faster. No error messages are reported in our Windows XP systems. The key event is that Windows has trouble repainting controls on the screen. Then the whole system freezes quickly after the paint problems.

For several weeks, we have been watching Available Memory only. Memory was dropping consistently at about 4 megabytes an hour in XP systems. I suspected that a serious memory leak existed in my software. However, according Task Manager Processes menu, our software does not leak memory. Also, the symptoms described above occurred when there was still 25 GB of memory remaining in one test system. So examining the Handle Count was a real break-through. I now conclude that Available Memory dropped only as one symptom of the huge accumulating Handle Count.

Thank you very much for this helpful article. You've saved me and my colleagues a great deal of trouble!


Reply #43 Top

Thank you sacol95 for making this hit the 'recent activity' list or I might never have seen it.

My XP desktop seldom gives me enough trouble to require a reboot, but it happens with a degree of regularity.  I just took a peek at TM & lo & behold: Symantec's wfxctrl32.exe (WinFax Pro) was sitting at 1.6 million (that's right, million) handles & climbing at a steady 2 handle per second clip.  I leave this running in my SysTray as my 'always on' incoming fax receiver.  Maybe not anymore.  After reading Brad's original post, it's a miracle the rig hasn't choked to death already.  Too bad, WinFax Pro is a pretty good app otherwise, though I have enough history with Symantec products that I'm not at all surprised.

Reply #44 Top

excellent...i wonder if this is pretty much the same on vista...there are a few different column names in vista task manager  but i wonder if its basically the same idea?....excellent post:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

Reply #45 Top

Quoting jojo25, reply 19
excellent...i wonder if this is pretty much the same on vista...there are a few different column names in vista task manager  but i wonder if its basically the same idea?....excellent post
End of jojo25's quote

I think it should be somewhat the same in vista however i think there are more handles in vista, I run my vista 32 24/7, with on average 18k to 21k handles, mainly I run folding@home program which takes up 50% cpu but i can still run games on lower graphic levels quite fine, not sure how tell which process tke up how many handles.

Reply #46 Top

Huh, I never knew Ctrl+Shift+Esc opened the Task Manager.  I've always used Ctrl+Alt+Delete.

Reply #47 Top

Interesting - Outlook seems to open 2000+ handles on the spot. My system has ~43000 handles open currently. 64 bit Vista, though.

Another thing to look at is threads - the more threads, the more task switching, and sometimes just switching between too many tasks can eat up CPU time. Context switching is expensive. Sometimes developers seem to miss the idea that the optimal number of threads is the number of cores your computer has. You'd be surprised how many threads some applications have open at one time!

I'm not sure really how handles affect performance, though - a handle not being used may use some memory, but I'm don't understand why it would affect much else. I wonder if there's a good place to look up how these different types of resources affect memory, CPU, and stability?

Reply #48 Top

o m g that is the exact theme i use for my browser op.

Is that a normal xp theme that i could download somewhere or did you put it in with that objectdesktop thing? I must have it....