Coronavirus discussion

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And yeah, we're all dealing with the pandemic now.

You mean the hypedemic?  Yeah, dealing with the over reactors is the hardest part.

I definitely have opinions on the rona, and they are not completely out of alignment with yours, but depending on how SD feels that could be considered political.   MHO:   rona is the talk of the town.  Let it be.   Might as well have it here, too, and draw visitors.

Well I do think it's important that we all do our part.  If somebody needs a hospital bed for whatever reason, I'd like for one to be there for them.  I have no interest in being Typhoid Dave.

Here's what crap:   China and South Korea have already figured it out.  China bought that knowledge at a very high price.   Resultingly China has been able to largely contain the virus (and more specifically, the mortality rate) to just the Wuhan province.  Since then, China has been helping Italy (albeit Italy is still not doing too well).   South Korea has NOT instituted extreme quarantine measures.  In fact, they lifted them.  Their number of cases has gone up, but their mortality has gone down.  I'm sorry, but there's no "flooded health system" there.  They can test 10X the people the US has, yet they have a population 1/6th the size.  They identified at least two meds to administer (a derivative of quinine, and a derivative of an HIV drug), plus they have an oxygenation treatment which kills the virus in the body.   Italy has been able to CV test an ENTIRE COMMUNITY, multiple times.

Why can't the US abandon their "not invented here" mentality, and just follow their lead?  It's already tested, on live patients.  The efficacy is already proven--just not to the US government's satisfaction, with their selective vision.  They have this idea that "the US' standards are higher than in Asia, so they need to validate it more".   Baloney.  It is East Asia who has the higher standard, and people are living where people in the West are dying.  Reporters keep hammering Trump about it--in fact, they have hammered the point about specifically the HCQ medication--and all they get is chastised as "bad reporters".   And then people wonder why the media is so "biased"?

Meanwhile, the rest of us all have to lock down in fear, trash the economy, lay people off, and wait for the Fed and the government to "rescue" them, when treatment is sitting right there.  Is it 100% effective?   No.  But it brings down the mortality and seriousness levels closer to that of the flu, and we don't shut down people's lives over the flu.  Get the virus, get the treatment, and then you've got some level of immunity for some amount of time.

Where I tend to agree with conspiracy theories is in the withholding of this treatment and testing.  There's just no excuse for it.

Nah, I don't need to look for a conspiracy theory.  The problem is obvious to me.

What is "Current Events"?   A thread quarantine?   Current Events is a 404 link.

Don't know about the 404.  Anyway, they moved it over to Politics which is not included in the general forums.  Talking about government responses would probably be political, so, fair enough. 

I just want some degree of communication to what's what.   If I click on "Current Events", I get a 404.

Yes, it's allowed.

What isn't, not in the general forums is anything of a Political bent.

Reason is that it WILL always end in a melt-down and loss of social 'niceties'.

Stardock's policy on all of their Forums [they are interlinked as and where relevant] is to relocate 'controversial' discussion/commentary to the appropriate  sub-forum, all of which are accessible on Stardock's general Blogging site - JoeUser.com [from whence I am typing this].

Here you can enjoy all the controversies/conspiracies  without fear nor favour [other than the specifics which stilll apply re Stardock's T.O.U.

The result of such policy is to [mostly] keep social interaction on the General/ Gaming/ and Skinning site/s decent and convivial....;)

I checked my options for grocery deliveries yesterday.

They're pretty much non-existent now.

So......the problem is you're not over 18 ...? ....;)

What could have caused this unprecedented Corona virus outbreak?

Lana Del Rey Reveals She Used Witchcraft Against Trump

2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates

This web page provides weekly, preliminary estimates of the cumulative

in-season numbers of flu illnesses, medical visits, hospitalizations, and deaths in the United States.

Life and death during the Great Depression

Normal Human Death rate Earth

57.9 million people die each year 

158,857 people die each day 

6619 people die each hour 

110 people die each minute 

almost 2 people die each second.

Pennsylvania ‘Nonessential’ Worker Blasts Gov. Tom Wolf: ‘Why Don’t You Stop Getting Paid?’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#End_of_the_pandemic

Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969

Anthony Fauci: Americans ‘Don’t Believe Science and They Don’t Believe Authority’

You should have been able to predict that and the side effects using Science.

"“I know, as Americans, it’s not something we’re used to. But it matters,”

Biden said of wearing a mask, noting he wears one “everywhere I go.”

The former vice president went further during an interview with KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh,

suggesting he would use executive action or other means to leverage federal power and

mandate wearing masks in public."

What will Biden do? Send the defunded police to force you to wear a mask?

I wear a mask when I am near other people.

I wore a mask at work every day all day for 25 years and everyone else at work did also.

We all got sick.

I don't drink alcohol, eat little sugar and stay warm in the winter.

In Arizona, there have been ~28,000 total deaths (all causes) in 2020 through the end of May, of which 918 (3.3%) were classified as due to COVID-19. Those 918 deaths occurred between March 15 and May 31. Just under another 900 deaths have been classified as due to COVID-19 in June but total death data for June has not yet been posted.

What I find interesting is that the total number of deaths was constant at ~5600 each month through the end of May. There has been no ‘excess death’ bump attributable to COVID-19 so far. We might see a small one in June’s data but that remains to be seen.

The number of deaths averaged 5,000 per month through all of 2019 so, so far, the number of deaths is up about 600 per month in 2020. However, that increase began in January and has held steady since. For the first 5 months of 2019, the total number of deaths was ~25,800. The higher numbers for the first 5 months of 2020 could be largely related to population growth, among other factors. It is certainly possible that some of the increase in total deaths starting in January is in fact attributable to unknown/unrecognized cases of COVID-19, but I wouldn’t expect those numbers to be substantial.

Thought a little perspective from a ‘COVID-19 Hotspot’ might be helpful.

In Australia...if you really want to fudge statistics...we have a NEGATIVE death toll to Corona....as although there are deaths from it....there are LESS deaths from the Flu...due to isolation etc.

Follow-up from the AZ DHS.

https://azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

The link is to a dashboard documenting state stats - both cases & deaths are on a fairly significant downward trend over the past 2.5 weeks.

The curve having been initially flattened, 're-opening' was inevitably going to be accompanied by an increase in cases.  That was acknowledged before the initial lockdowns.  The data suggest the Memorial Day weekend & mass demonstrations were major factors in the 'unanticipated' ballooning of cases as the increases were relatively modest until mid-June.  If we lock down again, we will face the same dilemma with the next re-opening - we cannot prevent the virus spreading, we can only slow it down a bit again.  No treatment or vaccine will be available soon enough to allow us to weather another prolonged disruption of normal economic activity, unfortunately.