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The Matrix Reloaded Plot Theories

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The Matrix Reloaded Plot Theories

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*** SPOILER ALERT ***

A few notes before you continue on with this thread:
1) There *will* be spoilers
2) If you’re here to talk about how much you hated the movie, please take it to the appropriate thread

With that said, after viewing Reloaded I was left with as many questions as I went in with, so if you have a take on what happened in the movie, please post ‘em here.

My thoughts on a few things:

.=Zion=.
Two things that we know for sure at the end of the movie is that a) Neo stopped a sentinel while “outside” of the Matrix, and b) Agent Smith is now in Zion. These two facts point to one thing: Zion is not the “real world” but is, in fact another portion of the Matrix.

.=The Coma=.
After stopping the sentinel Neo slips into a “coma”. I believe that Neo had a moment of ‘self realization’ when he did this that ‘blew his mind’, so to speak. If Zion is still technically within the Matrix, then it is very conceivable that Neo is AI and this realization caused a failure in his code. Or if he is human, it could be that this portion of the Matrix has a different security level in the code and since we’re still technically bound by the rules of the Matrix while within the Matrix, Neo’s realization causes a system error that boot’s him from the system. Either way I think that the coma is induced by code that is either a) written that way so if you “become aware” within this portion of the Matrix then you get kicked from the system, or b) an error in the code that cannot handle self realization in this portion of the Matrix.

.=Zion Revisited=.
If Zion is still a part of the Matrix, or a different ‘security level’ then everything that entails getting to Zion (taking the red pill, breaking free, getting flushed, etc.) are part an elaborate program to convince these individuals that they are now free of the Matrix and are now in the “real world”. If this is the case then it is still entirely possible that everyone is AI and this is an attempt by the larger part of the system to “convince” these portions of the AI that they are, in fact human. If everyone is not AI, then it still makes sense to create an area like this to ‘contain’ these renegades that cannot be contained by the “level 1” version of the Matrix.

.=The Rave Scene=.
There are no gratuitous sex scenes in The Matrix, and I believe that this scene is imagery of a much larger event, that being the union of Neo and Trinity. Perhaps it is of major significance that their “code” merges, or perhaps it is important that we see that they are passionate for one another rather than assume that they are. If we never seem them “together” then we can only assume that they have been intimate, so I think that we’ll find out that it was important that they “merged”. This could actually be a huge point of the last movie.

.=Random Thoughts=.
If AI is written good enough it will not be able to comprehend that it is AI, as this is self defeating to a “pure” AI system. Is it possible that we are watching the creation of the first AI ever that Morpheus mentions in the first Matrix? Is this cycle of Zion a recompiling and running of new code to test the compassion level of the AI towards humans? Could it be that Neo, is in fact the purpose of the AI and the point is to create AI (Neo) that is 100% compassionate towards humans so as to advert world destruction. Did they run a simulation of the AI and deem that if left to its own devices that it would attempt to destroy humanity, so Neo is the “fine tuning” process to make AI “compassionate” towards humanity? The one “failing” of humanity, according to the Architect is hope, and Neo now has that...

I have more but my fingers are tired
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Reply #76 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I disagree. I think it refers to the Smith's. Because at the end of the day Neo gets to exactly where he's supposed to be w/ref to the source.

Reply #77 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Interesting point Nakor, and the morphing of the question falls in line with one of the overriding points in the films, and that is to understand why choices are made. If we are to understand why choices are made then it is equally as important to understand “Why is The Matrix” as well.

As for Smith’s comments, you’re right; there are several paths that you could take in reasoning what he was referring to. I’m starting to think that most of the code is “reset” when The One returns to the source and that the new agents don’t have previous “knowledge” of their last iteration in a “memory” sense. They are (or will become if Neo returns to the source) essentially v6 of the Agent code and have been fine tuned to deal with The One. Smith is the exception here though, because he is now acting on his own, and he’s taken on a personal mission to destroy Zion/Neo.

Btw, is it just me or are you guys thinking that once Smith assimilates a body in the Matrix that they stay that way? As in, they don’t revert to their former selves.
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Reply #78 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Perhaps the 99% success rate of the current version of the Matrix assumes that only 1% of humans will not accept the program/simulation and the failure can apply to code within the Matrix as well, hence Smith and his current crusade…

Just a thought…
Reply #79 from WinCustomize Forums Top
One more thought:
The Architect said that the previous instances of “The One” were “by design” made to have a general “love” for humanity. Does this suggest that the Matrix also controlled the environment in which “The One” grew up or was raised? It’s almost as if they’re suggesting that the other “versions” of The One were manipulated for a long time, and thus known about, where this instance (Neo) was not known about all along, and thus they seem a little surprised by his specific love (Trinity) rather than the general love that the “others” had…
Reply #80 from WinCustomize Forums Top

This gets back to the question I asked the other day about some "72 hours" comment in Enter the Matrix.

And why the previous iterations all look like Neo.

Reply #81 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Do you think that the previous "The One's" all looked like him? Just curious if you were thinking that of the screens in the architect's room, as I thought that all of those screens contained Neo's possible responses based on what the Matrix knew about him and the camera would go to the screen that contained his response and we'd watch from there until there was another response from him...
Reply #82 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I hadn't considered that. A good point and likely more supportable with what we've seen.

Reply #84 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Someone else brought up the idea that the Neos on the monitors were previous incarnations of The One, but then it was pointed out that the camara goes through various monitors thereby becoming the current "scene".

I think this is more of way of displaying all of Neo's possible emotional reactions and picking the one that he is chooses and currently displays, rather than the choices of other previous incarnations.
Reply #85 from WinCustomize Forums Top

At this point, I'm on board with the "modeling reactions" response.

Can nobody answer my question about some "72 hours" comment in Enter the Matrix? Was that the iteration of that matrix? Or just a reinforcement of how long it took the machines to waste Zion?

I refuse to buy the game, but I'll rent it if need be.

Reply #86 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Ok, here’s the bit from Enter the Matrix. Niobe and Ghost are in a subway station getting ready to leave the Matrix. Ghost leaves, and before she hangs the phone back up a bum walks by and the following conversation takes place:

Bum: 72 hours…

Niobe: What did you say?

Bum: 72 hours, that’s exactly how long Zion lasted last time

Niobe: Who are you?

Bum: Me? I’m just a spectator enjoying the ride…

[He wanders off into the darkness of the subway station as she hangs the phone up and the phone starts ringing]
Reply #87 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Btw – If you’re a fan of the movie (like really into eating up all of the info that you can get) then the game is a must, as it contains loads of high quality movie footage. The first 1/5 of the game takes place prior to the beginning of Reloaded. The beginning ‘sewer’ scene is shown, and then the rest of the game takes place.

.=Game Info (game specific, nothing plot related in this section) =.
Rated on the same level as other games (minus the movie tie-in) the game is a B-. The worst parts are the driving sequences and the lack of a “save anywhere” feature. Thankfully the driving sequences are far and few in between. As for the save spots, well they’ve got it about 90% right, but the 10% that they got wrong are parts where you’ll have to repeat the same portion of the game several times (like three or four) to get it right. Again, thankfully these instances show up at the very beginning of the levels in which they rear their ugly head. On the good side, the bulk of the game is kick-butt, kung-fu fighting just like you see it in the movie, and it is loads of fun. For some reason you never get tired of seeing yourself crack a guy in the head, reverse roundhouse kick him as you rip the gun out of his hand, finish him off and use him as a shield. Brutal, but loads of fun! There’s also a “hacking” section that I’ve burned a few hours on already. There are some cool mini-games and “unlockables” that you can “hack” into via a virtual keyboard (Xbox) and command prompt. I’ve also found a way to play back all of the video/movie sequences that I’ve unlocked via game play (can’t see what I haven’t unlocked in-game tho). There is an email section that I can’t figure out how to hack, but if/when I do and it turns up any info I’ll post it here

So if you want to learn as much as you can about the Matrix and you’re a gamer then the game is a must-have, but if you don’t meet either of the previous criteria then you might wanna rent it or wait and see if some fan sites get to post the video.
.=End Game Info=.

With that said, I’m definitely on the notion that Zion is not a sub-Matrix. They need Zion to keep all of the rebels in one easy to get to one location. Otherwise the machines could run the risk of the 1% being able to actually do some physical harm to the system, and keeping them ‘in check’ when scattered all over could get tricky. There is also so much “non-Neo” action here story-wise that I’m following Froggy’s notion that this much ‘back story’ would turn out to be a cop out if we’ve been inside of the Matrix for the entire length of the first two movies. After watching The Second Renaissance Part I & II (http://www.intothematrix.com) again I’m really following Froggy’s thoughts on this one.
Reply #88 from WinCustomize Forums Top

OK. In this context then, the 72 hours comment is probably a reference to the length of time for the machines to destroy Zion. Rather than an oblique way of saying the last iteration of the Matrix only lasted 72 hours (which seemed a bit of a stretch).

This is referenced subtly in the opening meeting with all the crews with the "If Niobe's right" comment.

Reply #89 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Something that I picked up on in the last viewing: Some of Neo’s responses in the Architect’s room come before the screens with his responses finish “talking”, which is possibly why the architect seems impressed with the speed in which Neo provides some of his responses. Perhaps the prior iterations of “The One” didn’t respond until after the screens presented all of the possible responses. If that is the case then it is in fact love for Trinity, which drives Neo to some of his quick answers. He’s “thinking with his heart” instead of “thinking with his head”.

The more I go through this, the more I can’t help but think that the Architect and the Oracle are pushing for two different things here. The Architect seems to want to fine-tune the Matrix by inserting Neo’s code (his experiences) back into the Matrix and make it so even fewer minds will “want” to escape from it. However it seems as if the Oracle is pushing for Neo and Trinity to truly love one another, thus creating a harmony between man and machine. This second thought is further driven home by the council leader who takes Neo beneath Zion and they end up talking about how both man and machine need one another to exist.
Reply #90 from WinCustomize Forums Top
… forgot to mention that this second theory/idea is based on Neo being some form of AI/human mix himself… it’s a stretch, I know…
Reply #91 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I'm not certain the two are incompatible. Again, "why is the Matrix?"

Why preserve humanity? Why "improve" the One?

Reply #92 from WinCustomize Forums Top
It must improve. That is the very nature of genetic algorithms: evolutionary computations.

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Reply #93 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I also believe that in the final version of the program it will create a genetic manipulated race with no chance of developing AI, because AI went too far in the domination of mankind. AI will destruct itself. The 4 laws of robotics will be applied. Law #0 does not allow the Matrix AI to behave the way it does.

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Reply #94 from WinCustomize Forums Top
remeber in the first matrix when neo (then mr. anderson) was bieng interogated ny the agents and the camera pans out of a type of "screen" that could be the archietechts
Reply #96 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Based on my thoughts, the Architect is not technically improving “The One”. He uses the information that The One gathers (the code that returns to the source) to improve the Matrix itself, so that fewer minds will be able to break free, or will “want” to break free.

But you’re 100% right with the question… Why is the Matrix? The answer to that is the key to the rest of the speculation.

Btw, if Neo is an anomaly, then the Matrix now has two anomalies that could threaten the system itself. Neo, of course, and Agent Smith. Or perhaps when the anomaly gets to a certain point of power (Neo) then things like Smith are just a byproduct of the threat that it (the anomaly) poses to the Matrix, and there will be more and more of this unraveling until the code is returned to the source or the Matrix is ultimately shut down.

I guess that this could be looked at like a memory leak or a buffer overrun. It’s like knowing that a program is going to create a memory leak, but you don’t know which call causes it, so you hook it up to a debugger and run it and watch all of the threads until the debugger catches the call in question, however it’s a fine balancing game because in this case you want the debugger to catch the memory leak before it becomes so bad that it takes down the whole system.
Reply #97 from WinCustomize Forums Top
phlem14 -
You're correct about the screen's in the first Matrix. If you watch the first one again you'll actually see quite a few little things like that
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Reply #98 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Humans lie. Computer programs do not, unless they are programmed to do so. If this is the 6th generation of the program then we see different generations of the program. Remember the black cat and the "deja vu" in Part I? We were probably watching a change in the program. So, Neo saw such a change. Therefore he must not be part of the program. But if he is part of the program then we are witnessing a simulation of the Matrix in which the AI simulates Neo as a program. Afterall, it needs to evaluate and learn.

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Reply #99 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Agents like the Oracle may have knowledge about the evolution results, i.e. the simulated history. These agents will inform other agents about the paths they can take. Much like a control program. In genetic algorithms previous generations are known. Therefore there is a difference in "knowing the path and walking the path".

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Reply #100 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's Smith in a Gollumn-like fashion (at Mt Doom) that winds up bringing about X. I mean, we already "lost" Trinity and Morpheus at one point or another (Morpheus' crisis of faith notwithstanding).

Course, with him, he's like he is now in some part because of Neo.