@rg-gs - did I say I knew the "deal"? I just put forward a simple premise. It is foolish to ignore science and base your beliefs and understading of the world around us on a book pieced together almost 2000 years ago. As an aside have you ever done some delving into how the 27books of the bible were put together? It is fascinating.

Jumping up and down saying "no body knows the truth" is in my opinion the foolish action. If humans always took that approach we would still be living in caves

You really are quite odd.

How deep are you expecting us to delve?    The Bible has 66 books, so I presume...not very....

You are counting the old testament. I was referring to the new testament. And I don't expect you to do anything. 

As for creationism, it is not a science. Creationism is the belief that God or gods created reality through divine intervention (supernatural). The scientific consensus is that the universe arose through purely natural processes. Many aspects of creationism cannot be tested because they are based on belief,  because the ideas are not falsifiable it means creationism is not a science. Creationism is pseudoscience.

I don't believe in a judeo-christian concept of god in the same way that you discount Odin,  Zeus and the thousands of other gods that people have held to be true over the ages. You are free to believe what you like. I think we will continue to disagree on what is a more likely origin of reality so I think it is best left at that. 

Uh....Creationism is in the Old Testament.  Not the New.

Don't get your knickers in a twist teleytea - the sentence about the creation of the new testament was prefixed with "As an aside ". 

Creationism is not just an idea held by christians.

The only thing any one is talking about is the bible, so no one has read any books on creationism. So when i suggest both sides i can see no one looked at the science behind, or giving creationism a chance. Not arguing consensus just suggesting that some are well educated, and qualified scientists.

This post to Admiral Willy – LightStar & Uvah – I see you have given many of the unknown things a lot of thought.

Being argumentive  is non-productive but let me, if I may, confess some observations you my find contemplative.

God is not an Ogre carrying a big club to beat you into submission if you choose not to learn the difference between

right and wrong. He’s not going to interfere with your self destructive lifestyle if this life makes you happy. We have many

terrorist that have chosen to destroy the U.S. if they can and God has many enemies here on earth that hate all Godly

people and those who follow peace. God has given to every Human being a free gift that has a powerful and  profound

effect on their life. It is the free and willful gift of  “Freedom of Choice”. Yes in answer to your statement, God is an Alien

compared to our choices. His Power – His endless Wisdom – His Armies of Archangels that defeated the  Archangel Lucifer

and all his followers in a universal war that took place not on  this Earth are all Alien to us as passing observers.

But I would rather that God not be Alien to me and that I not be Alien to Him as my years accumulate and I find my end has come.

God has a “Prime Directive” He will not violate and that is Your Free Will to choose who you will be and what you will become. 

You can choose to Hate God and blame everything on Him because you will not accept responsibility for your own thoughts

and actions or you can claim He does not exist and this is all a fabrication of someone’s imagination and in the process

use your mind to rationalize all the concepts of God and Religion and intelligent design and purpose away and claim you

came from a tadpole.  God has warned us that the rational mind is at enmity with God and will not  yield the truth.

Some things have to be accepted by pure faith in what He said and described as truth even if we don’t as of yet understand

completely.  If you ask in pure faith – He will in due time give you a complete answer. He does not choose to cut off your head

if you don’t believe Him as some religions do. But God chooses to nurture you with love and kindness and long suffering on His

part until you decide to ask with an open mind without preconceived thoughts about who and what He is and what His plan

my be for your life. He will not override or force Himself upon an unwilling soul if you fight and resist. All of life is a struggle and

our free will is our determination to survive. Everyone on Earth will die in due time and our days are numbered by Him.

You must have faith in yourself and your freedom to determine the outcome of your life. “Faith is the Substance of things

hoped for and the clear evidence of things not seen.” “ The Just shall live by Faith” This is why we as a Nation

we will never be defeated. We can be wounded but we are the Sleeping Dragon and you don’t want to kick the Dragon.

Every Tyrant in the World that kicked this Dragon no longer exist today. I want to offer up to you a puzzle or a bit of conundrum

if you will – God knew that our small Sun was so powerful that it would scorch and burn our atmosphere away and that all life

would never be able to survive the Solar Winds and Cosmic radiation so He lined up Mercury and Venus to take much of the assault

and spaced the Earth at a very Precise distance so we were close enough to enjoy the benefits but far enough that our internal shielding

(The Iron Core and resulting magnetic field) would form the Aurora Borealis and protect the unknowing inhabitants. My question  to

you, Would call this preconceived intelligent thought and design or just a bunch of rocks that haphazardly fell into place. 

Remember Mars does not have a protective magnetic field and mostly all of the H2O that was there  during it’s creation is gone. – Jbuck406

The big bang theory does not disprove God.  In fact it was rejected early on because it meant there was a beginning to the universe.  In any case, "let there be light".  In the beginning there was nothing, then it exploded.  Within the first trillionth of a trillionth of a second the Higg's boson particle was created.  Without it nothing would exist as it is today.  The only thing that does not require the particle is light.  "Let there be light!"  There is no way for evolution or chance to explain the creation of the particle.

I Agree completely - very well stated my friend! - jbuck406

I am a Christian, but I feel that most religious people refuse to see the awesome things science can provide us. There's so much in the universe that we can learn. Turning a blind eye because it makes you think is so insane... I refuse to deny myself the ever evolving theories surrounding how we were made and why the universe operates the way it does. 

Just my 2 cents.

 Well stated MindlessMe!   

MindlessMe - Let's not assume too many things - You feel "most religious people refuse to see" - that's not true.

There are many great Christian Scientist that will wind up saving your life when your Doctor tells you, You have 

cancer. No educated intelligent person has "turned a blind eye" to anything. Educated people all over the

world all seek the truth in all things. I spent a lot of time in India and I have met some of the most advanced

educated people in the World and they were Hindu - I am a Christian but there was nothing wrong with our

deep respect for one another. Give people a chance and they will surprise you.

Dear Chungas - It is not that I disagree with it - it is that God himself (the creator of the Universe) disagrees with it.

The mountain of evidence your referring to - That is why they call a PhD (piled higher and deeper)

The expanding Universe - I agree with - it is self evident - but the "Big Bang" was the spoken word as

described in Genesis - and yes it is still active today. 

I grew up Protestant, Methodist to be exact. Nothing exists without a reason therefore every religion on Earth has a reason to be. We are all products of our environments and what we learn along the way. Personally I prefer good solid hard evidence, the kind you can pick up and hold. The scientific method provides that. It boasts of theories. Theories can either be proven correct or false over time. Einstein's was a perfect example of that. His theories have held for a century. Even his predictions of gravitational waves was proven. Yet he was a religious man but kept the two apart. Some believe the Earth was created six thousand years ago. If that were the case then how do you explain the presence of modern humans in North America forty thousand years ago. Or the existence of Gobekli Tepe twelve thousand years ago in what is now Turkey. Kind of hard to argue with the archaeological evidence staring you in the face. Or how about Eve, the oldest known human ancestor dated at three point five millions years ago. I could go on but you get the idea. 

None of which, by the way, has anything to do with the OP. Think we can stick to that? 

The mission patch for the first manned mission to Mars should have a well know quote from a wise man named Quaid. "Get your a** to Mars!" 

Actually you can argue with that:  you can argue with the age.  The whole Carbon-14 dating thing is a house of cards, if you look at it.   You can carbon-14 date your blood right now, and you'll discover it is several hundred years old.  There is no archaeological evidence of Eve, so it is in fact hard to argue the exact opposite:  that you even know her age at all.