I would like to see a stardock Ryzen vrs Intel on Ashes and GCIII comparison.

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I know its kinda silly to ask a game development company to ask for it to do bench comparisons on its games using two different CPU types. I figured Frogboy may and I say <may> build an AMD machine just to see how it performs vrs a good Intel 6900K. If you uh, happen to build such I am sure many folks here would love to hear what you think about the new AMD line up. 


At this point with all the hype, I am on the fence. As I have stated a few times i am going to rebuild an entirely new game desktop and had intially targeted the high end intell 6850K or 6900K as my CPU. If Ryzen actually equals the same performance as these Intel processors but at half the cost I am happy to change things up. 


My games of choice are Gal Civ III, (the coming Battletech from Hairbrained), (the coming Pillars of Eternity II from Obsidian), Civilization VI, Star Wars the Old Republic, (the coming Star Control from Stardock), and while I am old and slow I have been dropping in on Frogboys Ashes streams and that game looks terribly addictive. 

So I want of course, to build a computer that excels as much as possible. I was thinking of a 27" 1440P or slightly larger at 4k. 

Cheers, 

 

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Reply #1 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

I read in the articlethat the ryzen is comparable to the I5

Reply #2 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 1

I read in the articlethat the ryzen is comparable to the I5

Their new, unreleased CPU is comparable to current i5s? If so, that is disappointing. And even if it is against upcoming i5s, still not great news.

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Reply #3 from Elemental Forums Top

well.. it depends on which ryzen is compared to the i5, doesn't it.

the articles headlines i've seen so far seem to suggest the high end parts stack up well performance wise so far at lower cost, but i did read one of the reason is that intel "wastes" a big chunk of the chip on igpu that simply doesn't get used by people using discrete gfx (whatever happened to the dx12/vulcan mixing gpus?) whereas the amd cpu is just that... cpu.

a different article i read suggest intel still have a big edge on manufacturing - the blah blah nm node terms used by different companies mean different things.

Reply #4 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

The Ryzen 1800X is supposedly the same in performance to Intels I7 6900K (Broadwell). If so it is a hell of a deal at $499.00 (since a 6900K is about $1050.00). 


I know we are going to get reviews and benchmarks from Tom's Hardware, TweakTown, and Anandtech. That will probably be enough. My original post was to see if either Brad or Paul or some of the other 'tech junkies' at Stardock (see Jafo) were going to build an AMD rig and if they liked it. Reviews are one thing but having another tech head build one and then say 'yea it is worth it' would convince thousands of us who were waiting to upgrade later this year. 

Reply #5 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Larsenex, reply 4

The Ryzen 1800X is supposedly the same in performance to Intels I7 6900K (Broadwell). If so it is a hell of a deal at $499.00 (since a 6900K is about $1050.00).

Well now, that sounds much better! Think I'll still be waiting until there are computers running it in the wild before I stick my toes in AMD waters again. (note: typing this on an AMD desktop right now) I always seem to end up disappointed. Think the last time I had an AMD computer I ended up happy with was back around 1999-2000 with an AMD running Win2k.

 

edit: Not saying that is the last good AMD, just the last good one I had. Think I've just had a combo of shitty timing and not doing my homework correctly.

Reply #6 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting Larsenex, reply 4

Brad or Paul or some of the other 'tech junkies' at Stardock (see Jafo) were going to build an AMD rig and if they liked it.

I'm not that much of a 'tech junkie' that I'd consider building an AMD machine.  I've always used Intel since 8086 days so don't have an urge to change...;)

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Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 6


Quoting Larsenex,
reply 4

Brad or Paul or some of the other 'tech junkies' at Stardock (see Jafo) were going to build an AMD rig and if they liked it.



I'm not that much of a 'tech junkie' that I'd consider building an AMD machine.  I've always used Intel since 8086 days so don't have an urge to change...;)

 

Thats not something to brag about, because in the years of Athlon XP/x64 AMD actually had superior consumer CPUs compared to Intel. I dont think thats going to repeat now, not to that extent at least, but currently it seems Ryzen is going to be pretty much on par with comparable Intel CPUs performance wise.

You would have to be hard fanboy to buy 6900K for 1100 EUROs now, when you can very likely have more or less equal performance for about 400 with Ryzen. It has nothing to do with being "tech junkie", its all about common sense.

@Larsenex> AMD just released their initial promo materials for Ryzen. They claim their Cinebench score to be 1600 points, which is actually slightly more than you can get with 6900K. My 6850k gets around 1310 at 4,2GHz and it was more expensive than top Ryzen is supposed to be. Unless you believe that AMD is shamelessly lying about these results, then there is no reason to buy any of the aforementioned Intel CPUs right now - Ryzen is going to be more sensible choice and Intel is going to need drop prices of their HEDT line-up anyway. So if you waited up until now, wait a bit longer.

Personally i am curious if the 6950x is going to drop from its sub-orbital price of 1800 EUROs to at least 1000 or ideally even less - i may sell my 6850k and get this one instead, if that happens. 

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Reply #8 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I'm not a gamer and I don't work for Stardock, but I will likely be getting a Ryzen later this year for a new build [except for the case] to replace my AMD FX 8350 build.  The current build is in a Thermaltake Level 10 case that I don't want to retire yet... or anytime soon, for that matter.  It's just such a nice case. 

In fact, I'll likely keep the PSU and optical drives as well, but the rest [Mobo; CPU; RAM; GPU and SSD] will be new components.

Reply #9 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting Timmaigh, reply 7

Personally i am curious if the 6950x is going to drop from its sub-orbital price of 1800 EUROs to at least 1000 or ideally even less - i may sell my 6850k and get this one instead, if that happens.

Last I checked, the best Australian price I could find was AU$2,214.  Next best was AU$2,224, up to AU$2,699.  Now that's a wide gap between top and bottom prices, and I don't know how the highest one is justified, but even the lowest is way too pricey for me when even the top Ryzen will be quite a bit less than half that.

Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting starkers, reply 9


Quoting Timmaigh,
reply 7

Personally i am curious if the 6950x is going to drop from its sub-orbital price of 1800 EUROs to at least 1000 or ideally even less - i may sell my 6850k and get this one instead, if that happens.



Last I checked, the best Australian price I could find was AU$2,214.  Next best was AU$2,224, up to AU$2,699.  Now that's a wide gap between top and bottom prices, and I don't know how the highest one is justified, but even the lowest is way too pricey for me when even the top Ryzen will be quite a bit less than half that.

Yep, thats current price. Obviously not worth it. Cut that to half though, where its still 300-400 EUROs more expensive than the top Ryzen, but has 10 cores compared to Ryzen´s 8, and it may become somewhat interesting - to me at least. Still probably not the most economical choice, but thats kinda expected given the fact it remains the performance king.  

Reply #11 from WinCustomize Forums Top

The i7 6850X may currently be the performance king, but honestly, it is way, way too overpriced and likely wouldn't enter the minds of most system builers, Intel enthusiasts included, as a viable option for a new build.  I mean, for the price of a 6950X, I could pretty nearly build a whole new machine based around the top Ryzen.  Even Intel has more competitively priced CPUs that are well rated, so why the massive price on a 6950X?

I really wanted to build my next machine around a 6950X, but given the Ryzen alternative, I'd be mad to splurge over two grand on just a CPU.  It's not like I even need that much power anymore, anyway.  For what I do these days, creating, editing, converting videos, a mid-range Ryzen will quite adequate, along with 32 Gigs of RAM and a decent 10xx series GTX graphics card.