Font size, and playing on a TV from a couch

I know this is blasphemy to many, but I play most PC games on my TV from the comfort of my couch.  I know I'm not the only one though, given the existence of Steam Big Picture Mode.

I play Ur Quan Masters this way as well  Given that SC2 was ported to the 3DO originally, which is the version UQM was based on, and the small size of monitors back then, its not surprising that UQM's text is large enough to read this way.  UQM was even ported to the Wii and worked great!

I would really, really like to be able to play SC:O this way as well!  My biggest concern with that is the font size - many, MANY modern games, even ones ported to a home console, have a tiny font with no option to make it bigger and more readable, making them un-playable in a typical TV/couch setup.  This is because during development, the game is being created on monitors that are few feet from the devs' faces, and even when they check the game out on a TV for a presentation or something, its on a giant high-end TV so it looks its best.  Well, some of us not only prefer to play from the comfort of our couch, but also can't afford (or just don't prefer) a giant wall-sized TV.  The text ought to be readable on an average-sized TV (around 42 inches last I checked) at average viewing distance (8-10 feet), at least as an option.

I know it may seem very early in development to comment on this, but as a game dev myself I have seen all too often the trap that prevents making readable text for comfortable distance playing - the UI ends up finalized before the game is ever looked at on a normal TV at normal distance, and if and when its discovered the text is too small, its not possible to add an option to make it bigger because the text won't fit within certain UI elements if its made any larger.

I also point this out because I know Stardock is mostly known for 4X-style games where its pretty much required to be on a monitor+mouse+keyboard anyway, so the devs might not be used to worrying if the font is large enough, but Star Control is more of an action/adventure series that isn't so complex and ought to be playable like a console game.  Speaking of, keeping this in mind early on will make porting the game to a console later much easier as well, giving the game a wider audience!

EDIT: I also originally asked about Gamepad support, but see in an another thread that it will be included anyway so, nevermind..., though I wondered how that would work when it was mentioned at one point earlier that Lander gun aiming was done via mouse...?

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I feel like it should be fine / there should be an option for it, since aren't they doing an xbox release? 

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Quoting sendingsignal, reply 1

I feel like it should be fine / there should be an option for it, since aren't they doing an xbox release? 

They are, but that doesn't mean that they could botch the UI scale.

 

You can be sure that I will evaluate any alpha build on my 55" TV. It would be nice if I could evaluate said build with my daughter in two-player couch mode.... Squeak Squeak.

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Quoting sendingsignal, reply 1

I feel like it should be fine / there should be an option for it, since aren't they doing an xbox release? 

I've seen a fair number of XBox releases that had unreadable text on a normal TV at a normal sitting distance.  Many have been patched later (like Witcher 3, though even after the patch a lot of it is still hard to read), others stayed that way because their UI would have to be completely re-done to fix it, and those of us without giant wall-sized TVs just can't play those games.  Oddly, its not something Sony or MS seem to check for/require either, probably because their testers also sit just a few feet away from full-sized monitors when testing (because they try to cram as many testers as they can in as small a space as possible, they don't have room for the testers to sit far from the TV to test readability).  ITs probably not talked about much because most people that own things like an XB1 or PS4 probably have over-sized TVs anyway.

I have a 42" TV, which in my youth would have been considered a very large TV, but the place I game in can't really accommodate a larger one.  I typically sit about 8 feet away from it.  However, I have found my setup to be useful as a game developer myself for testing readability of menus and other text.

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I'll toss my hat in the ring as well.

 

My PC is hooked up to my 36" 1080P TV that I sit 6-8' away from.  A set of UI sizing sliders would be a very welcome addition.  Maybe even a few fine tuning sliders, one for the base UI, one for Subtitles, one for Dialog boxes to allow for each to be configured to nice comfort levels of the player.

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Quoting Pyro411, reply 4

My PC is hooked up to my 36" 1080P TV that I sit 6-8' away from.  A set of UI sizing sliders would be a very welcome addition.  Maybe even a few fine tuning sliders, one for the base UI, one for Subtitles, one for Dialog boxes to allow for each to be configured to nice comfort levels of the player.

How do you even see anything on that resolution / size / viewing distance?

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Quoting IBNobody, reply 5

How do you even see anything on that resolution / size / viewing distance?

20/20 vision last I checked.  However true my eyes burn like mad if I try to sit and read a webnovel or dialog heavy game for any extended period of time.

 

Eventually I hope to upgrade to a 4K TV in the 50+" range, but sadly my stereo receiver only passes through 1080 so that is on the list for upgrades as well at some point.

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Quoting IBNobody, reply 5


Quoting Pyro411,

My PC is hooked up to my 36" 1080P TV that I sit 6-8' away from.  A set of UI sizing sliders would be a very welcome addition.  Maybe even a few fine tuning sliders, one for the base UI, one for Subtitles, one for Dialog boxes to allow for each to be configured to nice comfort levels of the player.



How do you even see anything on that resolution / size / viewing distance?

You can play/read Ur-Quan Masters just fine on that setup... just sayin'.  Its the same as what I used before I updated to the 42" a few years ago in order to better read newer games that insisted on tinier and tinier text.

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Quoting Pyro411, reply 6


20/20 vision last I checked.  However true my eyes burn like mad if I try to sit and read a webnovel or dialog heavy game for any extended period of time.

 

I'm not an ophthalmologist, but that's a sign that you need reading glasses.

 

Meanwhile, NMS got updated with base building, freighters & unforgiving survival mode (a good thing).

Reddit is happy.

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Quoting Pyro411, reply 6

20/20 vision last I checked.  However true my eyes burn like mad if I try to sit and read a webnovel or dialog heavy game for any extended period of time.

 

Eventually I hope to upgrade to a 4K TV in the 50+" range, but sadly my stereo receiver only passes through 1080 so that is on the list for upgrades as well at some point.

This is what I was referring to...

I sit 6-8" from my HTPC / 55" TV, and it's a pain to do anything with it other than watch movies. I can't imagine a 36".

 

(Also, you won't need to update your receiver. Just use it as an amp. A good TV can route the digital audio out to your receiver. My amp is over 15 years old, and I have no problems with it in the HDMI age.)

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Quoting Hunam_, reply 8

Meanwhile, NMS got updated with base building, freighters & unforgiving survival mode (a good thing).

Reddit is happy.

So, basically, the NMS redditors are acting like Apple redditors.

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Quoting IBNobody, reply 9

(Also, you won't need to update your receiver. Just use it as an amp. A good TV can route the digital audio out to your receiver. My amp is over 15 years old, and I have no problems with it in the HDMI age.)

 

Sadly every TV I've owned can only push Stereo back to a receiver and not the native audio format to the media being used.  :) Yes I'm evil, my Living room has 7.1 setup.  I must admit though my Tv is at least 7 years old so audio pushed back to the receiver via Fiber or over HDMI ARC is only 2 channels.

 

Sadly I think it's time for both of us to upgrade everything if we're looking to jump to 4K so HDMI/HDCP 2.2 would be functional.

 

Quoting Hunam_, reply 8

I'm not an ophthalmologist, but that's a sign that you need reading glasses.

 

Honestly I may need them, that or it's just the accumulated stress from monitors & florescent lights at the office and allergies as well.

 

Now a big question for the devs & artists, are they going to include the artwork that is native to standard resolutions, or utilize some form of intelligent stretching of it?  IE do they have it setup for

PC: 720/1080/4K

and possibly some of the more common resolutions outside of standard such as 2560x1440 and 3440x1440

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Quoting Pyro411, reply 11

Sadly every TV I've owned can only push Stereo back to a receiver and not the native audio format to the media being used.  Yes I'm evil, my Living room has 7.1 setup.  I must admit though my Tv is at least 7 years old so audio pushed back to the receiver via Fiber or over HDMI ARC is only 2 channels.

My TV (10 years old) can push out 5.1 to my receiver via fiber. That being said, it was a top-end Panasonic plasma. When you go to buy a new TV, head over to AVSForum and ask what TVs can output 7.1 via alternate mediums.

Quoting Pyro411, reply 11

Sadly I think it's time for both of us to upgrade everything if we're looking to jump to 4K so HDMI/HDCP 2.2 would be functional.

I will drag my heels on updating to 4k. It isn't going to give me much benefit over 1080 due to viewing distance, and most of the videos I watch are 720p or less. (Plus, 4k movie sizes are prohibitively large for my internet connection.) Gaming wise, 4k won't offer me much because I value frame rate over resolution.

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Quoting Hunam_, reply 8


Quoting Pyro411,




20/20 vision last I checked.  However true my eyes burn like mad if I try to sit and read a webnovel or dialog heavy game for any extended period of time.




 

I'm not an ophthalmologist, but that's a sign that you need reading glasses.

 

Meanwhile, NMS got updated with base building, freighters & unforgiving survival mode (a good thing).

Reddit is happy.


 

Oh man, that sounds nice. *Munches on Saberoid legs on the patio on his lakeside vista in Space Engineers.*

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I would also point that there is similar issue with using 15.6" laptop with 1080p resolution. Fonts and incons need to large or scalable enough to be enjoyable at that size. There is also 4k 15.6" displays too.