I don't have troubles with the Logitich mouse, that's working just fine.  My problem is with the Bluetooth keyboard that came with my HP 2-in-one.  I had the issue before but was able to find, uninstall and hide the update that disabled it.  However, the most recent update was delivered via Scheduled Maintenance and I had no way of intercepting it, and even though I uninstalled the Microsoft Keyboard and Mouse Centre and drivers that I didn't even need, being the previous culprit, my HP keyboard is still buggered.

I may have to go in and do a system restore to before the most recent round of updates to get the keyboard working again, then reload the updates one at a time until I discover which one's still preventing it from operating.  Still, this is not something I should have to do.  I don't have any Microsoft hardware connected to the 2-in-1, meaning I don't need the drivers or firmware, yet I've had to uninstall them/it 4 times now after 'update' buggered things up.

(misread) does your kb have drivers (from hp)? try loading latest of those maybe? or does it still get overwritten after regularly because ms for whatever reason thinks it doesn't have proper drivers and dump their load in?

Starkers, don't you understand that MS knows much better than you do what you need and what is good for you. You just need to stop resisting and life will be so much more simpler for you.

Still on 7, but have been thinking of moving to 10 for gaming improvements like DX 12

What ! just to run made for windows software in wine

Back on topic:

Add me to lightstar's comment.

Win 7 is pretty good if a little bloated after the numerous updates over the years ,win 10 did become more usable after classic shell was installed,however the OS still annoys me

Yes, the keyboard has HP drivers and it worked without issue until MS stuck its unwelcome nose in. 

Thing is, the keyboard worked well for several weeks because I was able the prevent the regular 'update' and hide it.  However, this latest 'update' was delivered via Scheduled Maintenance, which cannot be hidden or intercepted because it is delivered silently.  This time, though, I don't think it is Microsoft drivers or the Mouse and Keyboard Centre. 

I uninstalled all that and still no go with the keyboard..  I also tried another Bluetooth keyboard I have and it won't work, either.  I therefore suspect MS has delivered its own version of Bluetooth drivers, and this is what is causing things not to work.  Even transferring files via Bluetoth is now non-functional, so MS has messed thing up yet AGAIN.

Yes, in its 'wisdom' [if such a term can be used when speaking of Microsoft], MS has decided a one-size-fits-all policy is best.... and whether you need it or not it's a case of 'open wide cos we're gonna ram t down your throat, like it or not'. 

As I recall, a one-size-fits-all didn't work too well in the footwear industry, and the fashion industry gave it up as a bad joke, so why does MS think it has the answers for everyone's PC.  Not everyone uses MS hardware, so why does MS see fit to deliver drivers for non-existent hardware.?  Also, when users already have Nvidia, AMD and other drivers installed for the relevant hardware, why does MS still insist in delivering its own, inferior versions?  And does Microsoft really have partners?  Or are they subservient companies doing MS's bidding?

I recall the debacle when MS announced that Intel's new Skylake processors would not work with OSes prior to Win 10... in its bid to fob more versions of the OS onto more unwilling customers.  Thankfully, Intel saw sense and realised that it would shrink the available market, so vehemently opposed the move.

Sometimes, corporations become to big and powerful for the good of the buying public, and when there is little or no viable opposition, as in the case of OSes, they have a captive market... which all too often they treat as they wish, with little or no regard. 

Sadly, Microsoft has become one of those 'bugger the consumer' companies and has embarked on a trajectory of 'we know what's best for everyone... and they're going to get it, come hell or high water'.

There was a time when I felt Apple was the worse computer tech company on the planet, with its walled garden and user control policies, but Microsoft has rapidly caught up and will soon surpass Apple as being the worst PC tech company on the planet.  MS might capture the imaginations and accounts of the yuppy set and trendy geeks, but its plans for its own walled garden and an OS subscription model will alienate older users and more.  And for those who don't believe MS will go to subscription models, what do you think the Office 360 experiment was all about?  It was testing the waters, plain and simple!  Sadly, trendies and the yuppy set helped make 360 a success, therefore paving the way to subscription OSes.... Windows 10 up for rent.

The world is moving in some alarming directions: corporations bullying customers; Russia again flexing its political and military muscle; Trump behaving as badly and worse; the Middle East again becoming the melting pot for worldwide conflict, and Microsoft behaving like past dictators.  Though dying isn't something I consider as being an answer to anything, when I look at the state of the world as compared to when I was a lad, I'm glad my time on the planet is drawing to a close rather than just beginning. 

Were I a young newlywed in this day and age, there's no way on Earth I'd contemplate having kids, given everything is going to hell in a hand-basket faster than greased lightning buttered on both sides.  It's great having grandkids, but I do worry about them, given the way the world in general is going, and how they will be affected by those who only think they know best.... and yes, Microsoft HAS contributed to that uncertain world.  it may have been inadvertent, but Microsoft's clamour for power in the tech world has also changed things for the worst.

Hi Starkers and Everyone, I have been saying the same thing.  Microsoft does what they want and they do not care what their users want - and I've told them exactly that in no uncertain terms.  After all, they do keep telling me how important our feedback is.  Well, they got mine! 

My new Dell XPS 8910 is working well but I did need to get their support involved as Microsoft decided to set the bios for Deep Sleep mode which means you cannot bring the system out of sleep mode using a keyboard or mouse.  I ran every update available in Device Manager including a bios update with no luck solving the issue.  Changing power settings didn't fix it either so I brought in Dell Support because the system is brand new and I wanted them make it work correctly.  That way if there were any additional problems I would to be able to return it.  It is always best to cover one's butt. 

I have to say they did an excellent job and I learned something.  Even though I ran EVERY update available via Device Manager, Dell Support came up with an additional bios update and an additional video update.  Microsoft only shows the recommended updates, not all of them.  Geesh!  Once we flashed the bios and updated the video driver again, I disabled deep sleep (S4, S5) and enabled S3 which allows the computer to come out of sleep mode using a keyboard or mouse.  The new computer is working perfectly now so I am happy but personally I don't see why Microsoft would set the bios that way in the first place unless they cannot distinguish between a cell phone, laptop or a desktop computer. Their one shoe fits all does not and will never work. 

I don't remember if I posted this part before but my grandson, Noah, is 15 now and taller than me. Not sure what happened as he was only little a few months ago.  He is in high school now and preparing to become Microsoft certified.  I gave him my old computer and he is going to restore it to Windows 7.  That will be his class project and his teacher is excited too.  Seeing my grandson so happy and excited was worth the price of the new computer. 

As for the Windows Insider program, I am not on the fast track.  The problem is that they don't tell anyone what the updates do and I have jumped up and down and yelled as loudly as I can about that. Many others are screaming too and a lot of people have had major problems with the updates.  I am going to fix that issue here in the next day or so.  That way I can check all of the updates before I allow them to be installed on my computer. For now, all is well. 

I have no issues with Windows 10. Running it on a new HP computer that's a few months old. I disabled or uninstalled all the apps that came with the system, I do not use them. Seems to run OK. No issues with updates. 

i guess some people were/are lucky lol , i so far haven't had any trouble but i just don't like windows 10

I wasn't so lucky. MS fraggled mine system prompting a re-install. I did take the Doc's advice though and roll back. Now its normally fraggled.  

Glad you got it fixed, Uvah.  What a pain in the butt though.  Had I known back in 2015 that Dell was not going to update the drivers in my old XPS 3300, I would have blocked the Windows 10 update.  Oddly, my son's Dell is almost nine years old and runs Windows 10 with no problem.  He is able to update his driver's with no problem.