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If you’re interested in the scheduling of the W10 updating/upgrading…whatever, Gregg Kizer explains this in an article here:
MS and its new way of doing things should prove “interesting” for software and app designers…
Ah....good. Home users are going to be unwilling/unconsenting beta testers for capitalism.
I'm gleefully looking forward to the inevitable class action suit that will ensue WHEN a forced update goes tits-up and Joe Average is left staring at a blank screen.
IF users manage to get back online the guaranteed most-common search string in Google will be 'Windows 10 rollback' ...;p
Just after 'Where is that #^%!& Sinofsky now?!'
Fortunately, for me, forced updates are not an issue. My upgrades will be to Win 10 Pro, which is exempt from enforced updates.
As for Win 10 experience, well to date I have none to speak of. Can't install it on my tablet/laptop because the BIOS won't permit me to dual boot, and I'm not overwriting my Win 8.1 installation just yet.
The story with my upgraded big beastie isn't a happy one, either. For the most part it has been waiting on bits n' pieces [rare/hard-to-come-by 2 pin power cables] to fully complete the build. The last parts arrive about a week ago, but for the last 3 - 4 weeks I've not been able to work on it anyway... and no, it's not because it's so heavy I can't lift it onto a table/work bench. Yes, it's a heavy bastard, but that's not the reason. I can get help with that. No, it's because of the the colder weather and my painful arthritic hands.... cramping up and the fear of dropping stuff that costs waaay too much to replace.
Oh well, it's a good thing I've learned to have greater patience in my old age. Not so long ago I would have been champing at the bit and getting frustrated over the lack of progress, but nowadays I accept there are things I cannot do, or do as well. Thing is, this colder weather is short lived and will pass in a few days, so I'll get stuck in then... all things being equal.
Anyway, it's not like I need to hurry to qualify for the free upgrade, which I will get when the time comes.
I haven't even gotten the invite to reserve, even though my PC meets the requirements.
I guess I should count my blessings. 
Oh yeah? That's not how I read it.
I understood that Pro and business editions would be excluded from forced updates to allow IT's to analyse/test prior to company-wide distribution.... thus preventing potential network failures across the board
Oh well, guess I'll find out one way or the other when the time comes.
Pro and Business can hold off installing updates for 8 months (that allows testing and integration by IT Dep'ts...but then they have to install as well.
You can fix that, simply disable secure boot.
An invitation is not a demand. Those invited who reserved can still choose not to upgrade.
Okay, so businesses could be stuffed by updates going guts up, then? Like is that from the launch of Win 10, or per round of updates?
In either event, it seems to me that MS is taking the 'big stick' approach to everyone and forcing them into accepting things they may not want. When you cut through the glossing over "look at the great things we're doing for you", it's a form of bullying. Instead of being bullied for your school lunch, you're being bullied into eating a lunch that might make you sick.
Seriously, businesses with large or small networks are likely to shy away from Win 10 if enforced updates have the potential to lose them millions... and/or put them out of business. In fact, as much I like Win 10's under-the-hood improvements, I am not too sure now if I want to upgrade. I may do so on one machine just to see how things go, but I'll likely hold off on my other rigs until such time as I'm better satisfied that updates won't entirely bork them.
Still, I am not impressed or happy with MS' 'big stick' approach to this. The potential for wide-spread system failures is enormous. I had hoped the leadership changes at MS would herald in a new and better era of MS marketing and products, but alas, the evidence suggests the complete opposite... and it would seem I am far from being alone with this sentiment. The low level of satisfaction and complaints regarding Win 10 and MS continue to mount, with more people, such as myself, joining the chorus of discord every day.
Oh well, I have copies of Win 7 and 8 that I'm happy with, so it'll be no skin off my nose if Win 10 fails to please. Also, I've had a bit of experience with a few Linux editions and may even switch a couple of my machines to Ubuntu, Mint or RoboLinux, which allows for the installation of Windows programs and games.
You can fix that, simply disable secure boot.
No, cannot do! The BIOS does not allow it. The option is there to disable it, but after rebooting it is enabled again, thus allowing only the OS to load. I tried several times but it just won't let me. According to a forum piece I read, HP has deliberately done this in accordance with MS wishes to prevent dual/multi booting, whether or not is is another Windows OS. That's alright, it only has a 128gb SSD and I'm in the process of rebuilding my main rig, on which I'll be able to access all BIOS settings AND dual/multi boot.
well.. you would think in the 8 months, sys admins would have managed to set up a test machine witih the updates to make sure updating won't kill their system and update at their own pace well before that 8 months are up.
surely it's better than something similar to people still using win server 2003 (or whatever it was) even though the plug has already been pulled last week?
No business should be forced to make such changes unless they determine it is in their best interest. And the business's IT folks should be making that call, not MS.
Odd I have several with UEFI Bios and have disabled SecureBoot with ease. Hmmm...
The entire concept stinks. 
And what happens if one buys a used PC or laptop that has Pro on it that gone beyond those 8 months due to it sitting on a shelf somewhere? No updates forever, or buy a copy of the OS to do a complete reinstall?
The entire concept stinks.
harpo, the ghost NON-subscriber
Odd I have several with UEFI Bios and have disabled SecureBoot with ease. Hmmm...
Yeah, it's damned frustrating that I cannot change various BIOS settings with this machine... that it keeps reverting back to factory settings after rebooting. I have 3 other machines with UEFI BIOS' that give me access to all BIOS settings [a Gigabyte & 2 ASUS boards], but then they aren't proprietary machines and have no such restrictions.
When I tried and failed to disable SecureBoot, I went to the HP forums and one poster there suggested that HP had disabled certain BIOS features on Win 8 machines in accordance with MS wishes to prevent dual booting with other OSes such as Linux. How much truth there is to this I'm not sure, but the fact that SecureBoot on my HP tablet/laptop cannot be disabled would suggest that it could very well be. Anyway, it's not an issue for me now. I neither want or need to dual boot on it in any case.
And what happens if one buys a used PC or laptop that has Pro on it that gone beyond those 8 months due to it sitting on a shelf somewhere? No updates forever, or buy a copy of the OS to do a complete reinstall?
The entire concept stinks.
Yeah, I have to agree. It stinks alright. I though MS was arrogant when it forced certain files and folders to be located in Public Documents. That was bad enough, given that I wanted to store skin libraries on a separate drive, but this idea is considerably worse and MS will lose a shipload of customers. I don't care how uniformed they think it will make thinks across the board, the idea is flawed and will create issues for millions of users.... of all editions. Not everybody has the same hardware and software combinations, and a one size fits all approach does not cut it, regardless of how well MS thinks it has this issue covered
It so reminds me of the school bully who turns up at school with shit sandwiches. Instead of bullying other kids for their lunch, he finds more amusing to force others to eat his. Okay, this might not be quite as unsanitary, but it's equally disgusting, given the harm it can and will do to end users machines.
I rethunk it....
IF users manage to get back online the guaranteed most-common search string in Google will be 'Join class-action suit against MS for system failure'.
Be warned, MS ...no amount of EULA will allay the storm. Consumer protection rights will make sure of that...;)
"A product must be fit for its use"...... always, not sometimes.
And to think I was once looking forward to Windows 10.
I'd read about under-the-hood improvements and added features, but the run of calamitous events of late, none of those enhancement seem worth the bother.
What with butt ugly icons and GUI, then enforced updates and potential exclusions for necessary rollbacks [not to mention those gaudy looking tiles on the start menu, we can well do without those] Windows 10 appears to be a far worse disaster than Win 8/8.1 was ever accused of being.
I happen to like Windows 8.1 and use it as my primary OS, but the more I read about Win 10 the more disappointed I become. In fact, the likelihood that I stick with 8.1 and pass on 10 grows daily. True, there are things I don't like about Win 8/8.1, and some of those were introduced in Win 7 [mandatory placements in Public Documents for certain files and folders etc], but Win 10 seems to be heralding in a dictatorial era that I'm finding difficult to abide by.
There appears to be little to no respect for users/users rights... co consideration towards individual needs/circumstances. It's like MS has thrown an blanket over everyone and said: "Like it or lump it, but this is what you're getting.... and stop yer bitching cos we're ain't listening."
Never mind, Win 7/8/8.1 still haven't reached their use-by dates, and I do have OS-X Yosemite on my miniMac. There's also Linux, of which there are some distros I've enjoyed using in the past.
And what happens if one buys a used PC or laptop that has Pro on it that gone beyond those 8 months due to it sitting on a shelf somewhere? No updates forever, or buy a copy of the OS to do a complete reinstall?
The entire concept stinks.
what? i think it'll just auto update. also don't understand why you would have to buy a copy to do a reinstall. i think you can just d/l an iso off ms, as long as you have the key somewhere... (for the activation, that is) or for that matter, what difference a reinstall will make as it'll just have the same updates waiting to flood through...
alaknebs, it might even be WORSE if ms for some STUPID reason decides to remove old patches, then with the patches NOT available, BUT NEEDED for updating, then the customer is STUFFED
harpo, the ghost NON-subscriber
The need would arise if prior updates were either missed due to long term inactivity, or if rolled back, and the machine becomes ineligible for future update and Store purchases/downloads as a result. If this occurs the product key attached would then become invalid and a new one would needed to be purchased in order to qualify for updates/Store access. In other words, this 'free' upgrade could end up costing users the price of a new license anyhow.
Yeah, it all sounded to good to be true, and with various caveats attached for the lifetime of the upgrade, it is... too good to be true. In fact, the caveats apply to purchased copies as well - with "cop this update, like it or not" - so there is an arrogance about MS attitude towards consumers that hopefully results in class action suits against it.
Put bluntly, MS has gotten too fechen big for its fechen boots and NEEDS knocking down a peg or three.
Now this is another point that hasn't been clarified. The MS download pages have long hosted patches and other updated that seemingly will transition to the Store, meaning that users who somehow become ineligible to access the store may not have an alternative means to safeguard their machines. It is increasingly looking like the Win 10 caveats are in fact designed to make 'free' copies redundant/obsolete to boost sales.
Nope, there's no gift horse here, just an Indian Giver company giving with one hand and taking with the other.
And what happens if one buys a used PC or laptop that has Pro on it that gone beyond those 8 months due to it sitting on a shelf somewhere? No updates forever, or buy a copy of the OS to do a complete reinstall?
The entire concept stinks.
Agree. They have some work to do on this ridiculous policy. Also, buyers will have one more thing to add to their checklists.
I was seriously thinking of a Surface Pro 3 as my next purchase. Now not so sure.
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