thenewteddy

More options for slower computers

More options for slower computers

A suggestion/feedback.

More options for slower computers.

 

I have exactly 4GB of ram and the game runs slow for me. I can run it, but it it slow. One of the first things I did was go in to the options to try and reduce things as much as possible; but there are not many options to reduce.

 

Thus my suggestion is to add options that will have the game run better on slower computers

 

 

Examples:

always show planets as icons

never show background planets

turn off videos

etc

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Reply #26 Top

Dragoaskani, the chance that 16 GB will be insufficient without a paging file is growing. The time is not too far off that you will need to turn paging back on, (or boosting your RAM to 32 GB, if your system can accommodate it).

Reply #27 Top

OK we are not talking about a lot of ram we are talking about four gigs. Even though we are talking about duol core that doesn't mean much considering they still make duol cores, and some duol cores are faster than some quad cores. My advice is to upgrade the processor on the moth board. In order to upgrade the motherboard you will have to look up how it works.

Besides the current advice, I have a few resource recommendations. Everyone always says the most important upgrade is the hard drive that will affect the paging file speed. Appearently people feel the hard drive affects speed especially with virtual memory, and the paging file in this area i know two things that can speed you up. Are you using a I.d.e. hard drive, if you are then a Sata drive will make a difference inspeed. You can raid multiple hard drives to speed up your system.

Another question if you add more virtual memory would that make a difference. Hear me out, this is my reasoning it would require fewer times you would have to load your paging file. Would this make a difference I don't know.

An easier idea is to go to your graphics option in the game and lower everything. This will speed up the game, but everything will look worse. I think the gameand windows should have the same graphics resolution.

Now windows can be tweaked for performance. Forgot how to find system options. This will make windows look worse. This should at least load fewer things in memory freeing up room for thegame. You can't see windows while you play the gasme anyways.

Windows by default loads with balanced power options. Some reason manufacturers either leave this alone, or create their own plan. Even on high performance this can be turned up. Go into the power options, and tweak the power plan. If you have a desktop who cares if you use a little more power.

Let's not forget about over clocking if your motherboard allows it,and if have the cooling if your system needs it.

Finally you can go into your graphics options. Make sure your computer is using the card. The manufacturers don't turn this on. This option is in you graphics control panel, or whatever the graphics company calls the software that controls the card. You can set the card to over ride the game graphics settings. This will alleviate processing to the card. I don't know this should also work in speeding up your system without upgrading.

If someone could clean up my responce, and responds with their input it is probably needed.

I  am wondering if you enabled plug and play on the motherboard, can you disable plug and play in windows. If you could do this wouldn't it speed up by not requiring hard drive, or ram space. PS. I'm not accepting blame for all this crazy advice on how to speed up your computer without paying much extra money.

Reply #28 Top

On another note is would like the game to optimum its options for the computer automatically. Use all the computer resources to be the best it can be, and still be playable, even in the future when they invent new things. This is how somewhere windows list resources, and the motherboard in it's Ron must have a list somewhere. Bios would always have a partial list. The graphics card always come with a program to tweak itself. The game could look to one on the internet. There is always a free program there. If it dorsn't work after checking it for viruses windows can do this. The hard drive has invisible utilities. This can be done in the future. The game could

Reply #29 Top

Quoting Thecw, reply 17

thenewteddy,

Please specify your motherboard. Because you might be going the wrong way. As far as i recall the only (E8500 LGA775) motherboards that support DDR3 are the ones with the intel G41M chipset.

If so then the following is very important: those motherboards (that i know of) use a combination of a DDR2 dual channel and a DDR3 dual channel. This means that in prime set (most likely dimm1 and dimm3) you must place identical DDR2 memory sticks and in the second set (possibly dimm2 and dimm4) you must place a set of DDR3 sticks. Furthermore the G41M chipset is only guaranteed to function properly when both sets are populated at only one memory speed (i believe 800MHz - without overclocking) and when the size of the memory sticks in the prime set are greater or equal than the sticks in the second set.

From you post the memory layout appear to be currently:

DIMM1: DDR2 1GB
DIMM2: DDR3 1GB

DIMM3: DDR2 1GB
DIMM4: DDR3 1GB

In dual channel memory layout there is only one situation in which a motherboard might function with an odd number of memory sticks; and that is when only DIMM1 is populated. So three memory sticks will not work.

To get to 6GB you should get two (identical) DDR2 2GB for DIMM1 and DIMM3 and leave the current sticks in DIMM2 and DIMM4; Get the same speed (and type) as the ones currently in DIMM1/3.

To get to 8GB you should get two (identical) DDR2 2GB for DIMM1 and DIMM3 and get two (identical) DDR3 2GB for DIMM2 and DIMM4 (all of the same speed). If your motherboard supports it you could go for two (identical) DDR2 4GB for DIMM1 and DIMM3 and leave DIMM2 and DIMM4 empty.

DIMM1 must always be populated, so you can not go for just two DDR3 sticks of 4GB in DIMM2 and DIMM4.

The G41M chipset supports only upto 8GB, so trying to go beyond that is pointless (if it works at all).

But the most important advise that i can give you:

 

I, uh. wha?

 

Quoting Thecw, reply 17

Check your motherboard specs.



That I can do. 

 

It is Green.

Plasicky

 

LOL no. It's a H-P 3646h

Memory
4 x 240-pin DDR3 DIMM slots Supports DDR3 1333/1066 MHz non-ECC, un-buffered memory (Max 16GB)

 

but that does not say what to plug in and where. 

However, looking at the RAM, physically, I can see what you are saying. One of the ports is black, the other 3 are white, and 2 of the sticks are green, 2 are blue. Thus my slots are, top to bottom, 4, 3, 2, 1. 

 

Slot 2 and 4 have identical ram, whereas 3 and 1 do not. Giving me the idea to replace those two. 

 

All 4 are DDR3. The speed is 533

Reply #30 Top

Quoting Lucky, reply 21

When changing memory sticks to mixed sizes you MUST check with the mother board manufacturer for which slot to put which size. It often isn't intuitive.

 

Okay but where?

When I google my motherboard I don't get a "where to plug in RAM" guide. 

Reply #31 Top

Quoting thenewteddy, reply 30

Okay but where?

When I google my motherboard I don't get a "where to plug in RAM" guide.

 

For starters, what is the make and model of your computer?

Reply #32 Top

Quoting Lucky, reply 31


Quoting thenewteddy,

Okay but where?

When I google my motherboard I don't get a "where to plug in RAM" guide.



 

For starters, what is the make and model of your computer?

 

HP Compaq 8000 Elite Small Form Factor, apparently.

 

I'm checking through the manuals now.

There has to be an easier way of doing this.

 

edit

I think I found the answer, but it is unclear as to the maximums

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=4065894&docId=emr_na-c01960471&docLocale=en_US

What would happen if I put 4 sticks in that were all over the maximum, would the computer reject them, or would it simply not use the additional space?

 

edit again

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=4065894&docId=emr_na-c01957825&docLocale=en_US

according to this, my computer has 4 slots, each slot supports a max of 2, but the computer supports 16... how on earth can that be?

Reply #33 Top

Also no paging or super fetch and have 16 and an ssd.

Reply #35 Top

Quoting thenewteddy, reply 32

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=4065894&docId=emr_na-c01960471&docLocale=en_US

What would happen if I put 4 sticks in that were all over the maximum, would the computer reject them, or would it simply not use the additional space?

 

edit again

http://h20565.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=4065894&docId=emr_na-c01957825&docLocale=en_US

according to this, my computer has 4 slots, each slot supports a max of 2, but the computer supports 16... how on earth can that be?

OK,

didn't knew this motherboard, but according to the specs: As you have stated you have the SFF model, so everything the manual says about the SODIMM can be ignored therefor we are only dealing with the DIMM.

Your motherboard supports upto 16 GB which means you can stash 4x 4GB in it. The confusion about the 2GB per slot probably comes from this:

In addition, the computer supports:
● 512-Mbit, 1-Gbit, and 2-Gbit non-ECC memory technologies
● single-sided and double-sided DIMMs

(Your second link page 17)

This means that 2-Gbit memory chips are supported, but since double-sided DIMMs are also supported, that implies that 4GB DIMMs are supported (2 sides of 8 chips of 2 Gbit). So if you are going to use DIMMs greater than 2GB you will need to have the double-sided ones (or ones which do the address translation in the electronics on the DIMM).

You have the choice out of 3 memory speeds: 800, 1066, 1333 MHz, but the 1333 MHz speed is pointless since the system will clock them down to 1066 MHz (your first link page 2-7). But you should match the speed of all DIMM. You state that your current memory speed is 533. This is probably the Single Data Rate which means that your DIMM speed is 1066 MHz (Double Data Rate).

Quoting thenewteddy, reply 29

Slot 2 and 4 have identical ram, whereas 3 and 1 do not. Giving me the idea to replace those two. 

You can do this, however i have seen problems with mixing single and double sided DIMMs.

Assuming the current DIMMs are single sided: The safe choice would be to populate slot 1 and 3 with 2GB (single sided) keeping the DIMMs in slot 2 and 4, giving you a total of 6GB. Or populate slot 1 and 3 with 4GB (double sided) and leaving slot 2 and 4 empy, giving 8 GB. If you decide to try mixing single and double sided DIMMs - it might actually work - populate slot 1 and 3 with 4GB (double sided) and keep slot 2 and 4 as they are, giving you 10GB.

I have no experience with this motherboard, so everything is from the manuals (links).

Reply #36 Top

I'm tempted to buy one stick of 4G. How would this work out for me if I did this? I presume I should put it on slot 1, if so, should I remove what is in slot 3, or leave the 1G stick?

Reply #37 Top

Quoting thenewteddy, reply 36

I'm tempted to buy one stick of 4G. How would this work out for me if I did this? I presume I should put it on slot 1, if so, should I remove what is in slot 3, or leave the 1G stick?

HP advises against breaking the population order, so do not leave slot 3 empty. While this motherboard supports flex memory access just replacing the 1 GB DIMM in slot 1 with the 4GB might work, but then you are going to mix single and double sided DIMMs in a set (DIMM1 and DIMM3) which might not work.

If mixing does not work then you could try to move the DIMM2 to slot 1, DIMM4 to slot 3, put the 4 GB in slot 2, and leave slot 4 empty.

If you have access to a physical computer shop, you might be better off to walk in and have them try it.

Reply #38 Top

I have been advised by techs at places like Staples to always match sizes in pairs, so I would try replacing two of the 1G sticks with two 2G sticks. They have also said that which slot they are placed in is important, one size in slots 1 and 3, and the other size in slots 2 and 4, and that they must be put in the correct slots. And definitely keep the type of memory sticks the same. If you have DIMM2s get the 4G in a DIMM2, not a DIMM3.

This may be true only for some mother boards and the techs may not have caught up with the changes. If you buy your new memory sticks at a computer store that has a tech, you can get your best advice there.

Reply #39 Top

so quick question for someone who understands techno babble a little more than i do

i have an asus m4a79 deluxe motherboard and i found this for memory support

4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1300(O.C.)/1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel memory architecture
*Due to AMD CPU limitation, DDR2 1066 is supported by AM2+ / AM3 CPU for one DIMM per channel only. Refer to www.asus.com for the memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists). 

im not sure what the note actually means about am2+/ am3 cpu 

but if i read this right i should be able to put 4 sticks of 4g ddr2 at a speed of 1066 ( i dont see any that match this so im looking at lower speeds)


looking up on tigerdirect it looks like my only options to upgrade to 16gb would be 

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4769819

or 

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9548965

thoughts on this or would it be better to upgrade the motherboard and then better ram instead?


Reply #40 Top

after finding some comments it looks like ddr2 is getting old so upgrading it may work for the short term but upgrading the motherboard looks like my best bet soon

Reply #41 Top

Motherboard upgrade possibilities are limited to the socket type of your processor and if your running on a DDR2 system you might not find that many options in terms of upgrading beyond what is currently supported. I was running a 2 core duo with 8gb ram but wanted to upgrade to a 4 core or higher system simply because games are starting to demand more from CPU's currently especially in the 4x genre. Sadly the expense of a socket 775 4 core processor (where you could find one) was obscene and it was comparatively cheaper for me to build an entirely new system from scratch, which I built last week. Looking at the prices of 4gb 800mhz DDR2 ram (£60-£100 per stick) you could easily buy a entirely new faster system for less (assuming your running a AMD2+/3 computer currently). You can get a AMD FX 6 core processor for about £65 or £100 for a 8 core version, then a compatible motherboard for £50, then DDR3 2000mhz 4gb ram at £30 per pop that, so assuming you transfer your graphics card and hard drives to the new system your talking less than £250 for a complete build that's far more capable than what you already have.

Reply #42 Top

yeah thats what i was thinking the vid card is fairly new so it should be good

new motherboard new ram new proccessor and then an ssd for that extra little kick 

Reply #43 Top

My game was running a bit slow with 8gb of ram, so I doubled up.  Definitely handling the game better now.