Number one problem of MP right now is...

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...the prevalence of trolls. No joke, this is worse than MDs. Guys like sleeper can derail a 5s lobby for more than 40 minutes, as they constantly spam chat with useless shit like "your retardedd" and "no u r." Trying to set up a PUG process with captains and numbers is literally impossible due to the endless spam. This was not a problem several months/year ago, but given the extraordinary low player count these days, and the fact that there is only one 5s lobby at any given time, it pisses off the few players that are left and further encourages them to quit. Even when trolls arent directly in the lobby, they can still talk through chat channels which is just as annoying. The ignore function is not really a solution, because if they get stuck on your team, you need communication enabled. To solve this problem, I propose lowering the amount of messages required before an automatic kick is issued. It is too easy to get around that at this moment. Or you could just ban him altogether, given his numerous threats in which he said he would personally kill several players.

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

Banning isn't going to solve anything, as they will just create a new account and start all over.  Just give it a month or so and everybody will be out for the summer.  I haven't been on since early January, but once classes are finished I - as I imagine most people - will return to playing. 

The exact same thing happened in December, if you recall.  Lobbies were dead and tensions were high, but then Winter Break came on, and it was game on.  Same thing will happen in the next few weeks. 

Patience....

 

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

No, dont ban sleeper. What else do we have in multiplayer?

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

This type of problem has in fact existed for years.  There have always been people that wasted everyone's time in trying to set up a MP game.

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top

It is pretty much up to the community to self police since the game lacks any sort of automated matchmaking.  If you don't like it, don't tolerate it.  No one makes you sit around trying to fill a 5v5 while taking abuse.  Make a smaller game and don't invite disruptive people into it.  In my experience many members of the community have created chaos during the matchmaking process or gone afk for a LONG time wasting everyone's time and were tolerated in their behavior because they were veterans.  I had a hard enough time committing a potential block of 2 hours to a Sins game, much less the 30+ minutes matchmaking can take.  It has been like this for years.

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

Cykur I know time-wasters have been around for years. But guys like sleeper do it for the sake of time-wasting, meaning they dont actually want to play a game but just do it to fuck everyone over.

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

Then log it and get him banned from ICO.

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

Sleeper, like many others, are simply ADHD.  He can't hold a thought long enough to express himself properly, so he blurts out everything the moment it crosses his mind.  This can be misconstrued as trollism, when in fact it's actually online diarrhea mouth that results in a domino effect of reactionary non filtered responses.  This is what wastes so much time. 

Pharmacology is obviously the answer to this deficiency of the multiplayer experience. 

Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top

Bunch of whiny babies lol.

type /ignore sleeper and get over it.

this is so far down the list of problems with sins and ico it's sillyness. 

The big problem now that I notice in regards to getting a game going is: lobby fills, everyone goes to team 10 and everyone refuses to cap, even if one volunteer comes out you'll get the "il cap but not va player x"

then finally 2 caps and teams are pugged, ready to play? Nope, someone who refused to cap will whine about bad teams or bad captain and demand a repugnor just leave altogether. Starting the process all over.

it really has become an epidemic on sins lately, and idk why...

as for sleeper he is booted from most games I'm a part of and most have him on ignore.

Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top

Picking teams has long been the meta-game.  It is hard to perform to your own expectations when you aren't on the winning team.

 

Reply #14 from Sins Forums Top

Why?  So trolls can report everyone?

Reply #15 from Sins Forums Top

No, its so we can detect trolls like you...

Oh wait, I forgot, you don't play on ICO...

Reply #16 from Sins Forums Top

Stop troll. It bad.

Reply #17 from Sins Forums Top

Not a troll post...

This issue does impact a players online game play experience significantly! 

The only person I have on ignore is Huy Mac.  Even if he is on my team, I don't need to know what he is saying, ever.  

Sleeper isn't so bad, there have been far worse ICO trolls for longer periods of time than him.

Reply #18 from Sins Forums Top

given his numerous threats in which he said he would personally kill several players.

Someone should point him to http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/19561/article/league-of-legends-player-who-made-terrorist-threats-facing-10-years-in-prison/ (and http://www.houstonpress.com/2014-02-13/news/justin-carter-facebook/) if he lives in the USA.

The following paragraph excerpted from http://venturebeat.com/2013/12/28/what-the-justin-carter-case-means-for-gamers-social-media-users-and-america/ is probably relevant to the MP experience as a whole:

I also know what League of Legends can do to a person. When you combine an extremely competitive atmosphere with a toxic community, bad things can happen. Games are high-stress, and just one tiny mistake in a 45+ minute long game can cause you and 4 other people to lose. The community feels this stress and lashes out. Trolls are everywhere. People are so mean to each other that Riot Games had to create a volunteer organization (the Tribunal) to help police the game. In close to 3,000 games, I have been called every terrible thing in the book. I would venture to say that “the book” people mention in that common phrase has grown in size since League of Legends was released.

There probably ins't enough of a Sins MP community to create a volunteer response/police organization, but posting the incidents on these forums in extreme cases isn't a bad idea.

 

Reply #19 from Sins Forums Top

As much as I hate trolls in good games like these, Titan, I feel obliged to point out a few things about the information in your post.

The whole Justin Carter thing is a great example of terrible police work. One has to consider the context in which any comment is made, and the way that kid made his comments really doesn't make them look reliable; they're not actual indicators of what he's thinking, they're metaphor. Plus, even with the restraining order bit they dragged up out of his past, they have nothing to prove or even strongly suggest he wasn't just making a joke. As an example, making a bomb joke at an airport might get your butthole fingered, but if you make a good bomb joke around the table with friends having a beer, nobody in either the US or Canada has the right to give you shit for that. It's not enough to suggest a conspiracy, no judge is /that/ unreasonable.

The only thing the Justin Carter case is going to result in is that kid never having to work again from the lawsuit he'll win, and a handful of cops getting fired for shitty police work.

The comment about Riot Games having to create the Tribunal has less to do with /how/ bad the community is than it does with economics. Pretty much every MOBA (and, to a lesser extent, the multiplayer gaming community in general) disapproves of people getting their feelings hurt, associating that negativity with their games. It's bad for business, and nobody likes seeing people get bullied or harassed. I think it's reasonable to posit that all larger gaming communities self-police in one way or another. From forum mods to community managers, bigger companies can have a lot of expenditure involved in this sort of thing, and that's just because online gaming (and the internet, in general) can lead to hot words, not just that particular MOBA. And really, putting that responsibility on the community is just plain smart - crowd-sourcing is cheaper, and makes sense given that the community itself is generally able to make good decisions on what is and isn't kosher in that setting.

As for posting about troll shenanigans on the forum, well, that tends to get messy. I agree trolls probably need a good shaming (since beatings are illegal), but I personally like to keep that sort of thing to a quiet word to the host when I see a troll pop up in the game list - if you're courteous and earnest in communicating it, I think you'll find it gets the job done.